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The Battering Trump Is Taking In the Media Isn’t Hurting Him

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[A]s another immigration crisis of his own making smoldered this past week, critics inside and outside Mr. Trump’s party predicted another devastating, irremediable low point in his presidency. Yet many Trump voters said that they no longer had the patience or interest to listen to what they see as another hysterical outburst by Democrats, Republican “Never Trumpers” and the media....

For many Republicans, the audio of children sobbing at a migrant detention center barely registered, because these voters don’t pay attention to the left-leaning and mainstream media that have covered the family separation crisis far more than their preferred channel, Fox News....

Others said they saw a ploy by the president’s enemies to obscure news that was more favorable to him, like the internal Justice Department investigation that recently uncovered evidence of F.B.I. officials speaking disparagingly of Mr. Trump....
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Indeed. Glenn Reynolds said that the news media has three ways to affect the electorate: By motivating the left, by shifting the middle, and by demotivating the right. It has completely lost the third and has lost most of the second, which is a tragedy for them.

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-battering-trump-is-taking-in-press.html
 
LowDown said:
Indeed. Glenn Reynolds said that the news media has three ways to affect the electorate: By motivating the left, by shifting the middle, and by demotivating the right. It has completely lost the third and has lost most of the second, which is a tragedy for them.

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-battering-trump-is-taking-in-press.html
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President Trump did more damage to himself by backtracking on the border issue than the media did by fabricating the story
 
jimbo said:
President Trump did more damage to himself by backtracking on the border issue than the media did by fabricating the story
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You only wish. Trump needed to solidify his dopey base on this issue.
 
jimbo said:
President Trump did more damage to himself by backtracking on the border issue than the media did by fabricating the story
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Except he didn't "backtrack" on the border. He simply instructed border agencies to keep the kids together with their real relatives, which is actually against that "Flores Agreement" modified by the 9th Circuit 2016 decision. The original agreement applied only to unaccompanied minors, including those "accompanied" by people not related to them. The 2016 decision changed this to include all accompanied minors.

His E.O. simply instructed DHS and ICE to stop separating kids from families, and to have family detention centers set up. He is still enforcing zero tolerance against those not claiming asylum, and still holding those claiming asylum in detention centers. One might expect the latter to be challenged by the Left and go all the way to the SCOTUS this time.
 
jimbo said:
President Trump did more damage to himself by backtracking on the border issue than the media did by fabricating the story
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Not at all.

What he did was illustrate the media's hypocrisy. Once again, he exposed their desire to attack him...no matter what he does.

They attacked him for following the law, then they attacked him for making allowances. Furthermore, we saw how they had given Obama a pass for the same things...or worse...than the things they attacked Trump for. And to top it off, they pushed outright fake news by presenting photos that didn't show what they said was shown...photos of kids in cages that turned out to be from Obama's time...that crying toddler...the doctored Time cover.

The only people who believe the media and Trump haters weren't hurt by their own actions are the useful idiots who'll accept anything they are told by the media.
 
I heard on Fox News this morning that Trump's approval rating is the same (+/-1) as Bush', Obama's and Reagan's was at this time in their presidency.

That is a phenomenal record when you consider that, in general, liberals/democrats are 100% against everything he does and his administration is fighting a daily uphill battle.

Thumbs up for my president! The media has lost that battle ... :lol:
 
Holding little kids ransom for the price of his big beautiful wall was a bad idea. A wall that Mexico refuses to pay for - who knew. Then he went on to try to make it a MS13 issue when everyone knew the kids weren't even MS … 3. The immigration issue may just turn against him at the polls if he keeps it up; I hope does. He sure doesn't seem to be able to stop himself.
 
StuPedaso said:
Holding little kids ransom for the price of his big beautiful wall, that Mexico refuses to pay for - who knew, was a bad idea. Then he went on to try to make it a MS13 issue when everyone knew the kids weren't even MS … 3.
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Soooo...we should enforce the laws for single or childless illegal immigrants, but hold to exceptions for those with children? :doh

This constant cry of "What about the children!?!" is a blatant appeal to emotion that is beginning to pall. It tends to forget that it was those who are breaking the laws in hopes of getting special treatment (like the now famous mother of the child on TIME's cover, who picked her youngest child to run away with, leaving her husband and other kids home) that have been creating this problem.

One also wonders why Mexico, who doesn't want to keep these "asylum seekers," is not faulted for allowing them passage through Mexico, but they can't stay and seek asylum IN Mexico.
 
LowDown said:
Indeed. Glenn Reynolds said that the news media has three ways to affect the electorate: By motivating the left, by shifting the middle, and by demotivating the right. It has completely lost the third and has lost most of the second, which is a tragedy for them.

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-battering-trump-is-taking-in-press.html
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Trump has more self inflicted damage than anything the press could possibly throw at him.

How many times has Trump declared the free press in America an enemy of the people? More times than I care to recall.
That is the language & the rhetoric of dictators.

I guess you fell for the message; too bad ...........
 
Captain Adverse said:
Soooo...we should enforce the laws for single or childless illegal immigrants, but hold to exceptions for those with children? :doh

This constant cry of "What about the children!?!" is a blatant appeal to emotion that is beginning to pall. It tends to forget that it was those who are breaking the laws in hopes of getting special treatment (like the now famous mother of the child on TIME's cover, who picked her youngest child to run away with, leaving her husband and other kids home) that have been creating this problem.

One also wonders why Mexico, who doesn't want to keep these "asylum seekers," is not faulted for allowing them passage through Mexico, but they can't stay and seek asylum IN Mexico.
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Your spin cycle won't wash. Holding kids hostage to force funding of his wall … bad. If you don't get that I'll try to use smaller words.
 
StuPedaso said:
Your spin cycle won't wash. Holding kids hostage to force funding of his wall … bad. If you don't get that I'll try to use smaller words.
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Spouting liberal nonsense only helps solidify the radical base and hurts the reputation of the media outlets that traffic it. You'll learn the lesson the hard way, I'm sure. Few people avoid the hard lessons.
 
jmotivator said:
Spouting liberal nonsense only helps solidify the radical base and hurts the reputation of the media outlets that traffic it. You'll learn the lesson the hard way, I'm sure. Few people avoid the hard lessons.
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OkyDoke! You maybe right, he brands the truth as fake, just as you brand it nonsense. We both know that was exactly what his ploy was; holding the kids hostage until congress voted to fund the wall. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.
 
StuPedaso said:
OkyDoke! You maybe right, he brands the truth as fake, just as you brand it nonsense. We both know that was exactly what his ploy was; holding the kids hostage until congress voted to fund the wall. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.
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Here is the problem: Nobody expects that politicians are truthful even most of the time, while truth is a requirement for the news. The fact that major media outlets are caught in fake stories either edited on purpose to fit a narrative, rushed to the air without corroboration, or based entirely on anonymous sources that can't be independently vetted (and usually some combination of those three) ends up making the news only good for the edification of the already indoctrinated.

You can sit all day in front of friendly news sources and be utterly convinced in your beliefs as mainstream, and then you end up getting T-Boned by reality and you go right back to the same sources who will tell you why you are still right but reality is wrong. Like that 99.9% chance that Hillary would be President, and then that you were only wrong because Russia.
 
StuPedaso said:
Holding little kids ransom for the price of his big beautiful wall was a bad idea. A wall that Mexico refuses to pay for - who knew. Then he went on to try to make it a MS13 issue when everyone knew the kids weren't even MS … 3. The immigration issue may just turn against him at the polls if he keeps it up; I hope does. He sure doesn't seem to be able to stop himself.
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his approval rating continues to go up, and I venture to say, it's because of the immigration issue. I think America as whole is in favor of brutal immigration checks, whether or not they would actually admit it.
 
jimbo said:
President Trump did more damage to himself by backtracking on the border issue than the media did by fabricating the story
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The media and Leftists (same, same) have done a great thing by bringing focus to the problem with illegal invaders.

Like everything they’ve tried... it’s blowing up in their faces.

It would have worked before, but Trump is simply too formidable an opponent. He doesn’t hibernate when Leftists reveal their hypocrisies and idiocies... he exposes them.
 
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LowDown said:
Indeed. Glenn Reynolds said that the news media has three ways to affect the electorate: By motivating the left, by shifting the middle, and by demotivating the right. It has completely lost the third and has lost most of the second, which is a tragedy for them.
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You say that as if it's a good thing. As if we're all supposed to be impressed and happy about the fact that horrible despicable revelations about the vile nature of the current administration aren't making a dent in his vile disgusting voter base.

When the facts tell us someone is evil, decent and intelligent people should be swayed to dislike that person. If you're proud of the extreme cognitive dissonance affecting the right in this country there's something disturbingly wrong with you.
 
Barnacle said:
I heard on Fox News this morning that Trump's approval rating is the same (+/-1) as Bush', Obama's and Reagan's was at this time in their presidency.

That is a phenomenal record when you consider that, in general, liberals/democrats are 100% against everything he does and his administration is fighting a daily uphill battle.

Thumbs up for my president! The media has lost that battle ... :lol:
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Trump's approval ratings are in the gutter with everyone except Republican voters. Even in Rasmussen, the only poll him and his worshippers ever cite, he currently has a 46% approval rating. But yeah, he's certainly "bigly" popular, and it's all the media's fault. Whatever makes you sleep at night champ.
 
Of course, his supporters are deplorable scumbags, he could rape their loved ones and they would still support him
 
The Battering Trump Is Taking Is Of His Own Doing

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Puigb said:
Trump's approval ratings are in the gutter with everyone except Republican voters. Even in Rasmussen, the only poll him and his worshippers ever cite, he currently has a 46% approval rating. But yeah, he's certainly "bigly" popular, and it's all the media's fault. Whatever makes you sleep at night champ.
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According to Rassmussen you are wrong, independents by and large favor Trump and don't regret Hillary's Loss.
Voters Don?t Regret Hillary?s Loss - Rasmussen Reports®

But whatever makes you sleep at night. Best of luck in the elections! Keep crying wolf please!
 
zimmer said:
The media and Leftists (same, same) have done a great thing by bringing focus to the problem with illegal invaders.

Like everything they’ve tried... it’s blowing up in their faces.

It would have worked before, but Trump is simply too formidable an opponent. He doesn’t hibernate when Leftists reveal their hypocrisies and idiocies... he exposes them.
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So tell us why the great trump gave in and wrote an order changing the policy of separating minors?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
According to Rassmussen you are wrong, independents by and large favor Trump and don't regret Hillary's Loss.
Voters Don?t Regret Hillary?s Loss - Rasmussen Reports®

But whatever makes you sleep at night. Best of luck in the elections! Keep crying wolf please!
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Hillary won't be on the ballot in 2018.

Trump's current approval rating with independents is 39%. And Rasmussen, a well known heavily biased right wing poll, currently has Trump with a 46% approval rating. But like I said, whatever makes you guys sleep at night.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
his approval rating continues to go up, and I venture to say, it's because of the immigration issue. I think America as whole is in favor of brutal immigration checks, whether or not they would actually admit it.
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Actually Trump's Gallup has gone back down to 41% after a personal best of 45% following his N. Korea summit. So it appears his immigration debacle has hurt him already.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393985-poll-trumps-approval-rating-falls-back-to-41-percent
 
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