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Double Standard vs Male vs Female?

ecofarm said:
Not population demographics. Social dynamics; the majority in question is power not population. That's why women are minorities (in social dynamics). Population demographics is counting heads. Social dynamics is sociological understanding.

When someone claims women are a minority, they're not claiming women are less than 50% of the population; they're claiming women are a power minority.
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I would disagree that women are a minority power. Women have always been a very big power in the lives of men and families. In the old days "business" was a lot like war, and on the frontier is was war. In royalty women reached power through inheritance and by right of birth; much more powerful than the average man and making use of whatever her position could use. Sadly women's advancements have been as a "minority", using whatever laws they could muster as minorities, instead of taking advantage of labor unions; who always paid equally, or by making use of their positions as monied interests which brought them into politics and launched them in the top floors of corporate America. If women can just use the powers available to them, they they did on the frontier rather than portraying themselves as weak needing a boost through the legislature, then women will be right where they deserve to be, not resented for cutting in line.
 
holbritter said:
While I agree with most of your post, the bolded part is a bit harsh and not necessary to get your point across. Just sayin.
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I have to deal with people like this at my university all the time. These "academics" really do contribute nothing. They do not participate in the real world, they spend their days in their academic echo chambers thinking they are changing the world when in reality all they are doing is wasting valuable money that could be spent on a real education for students who actually want to learn something besides how to be a lounge chair activist.

Why should the business department have to suffer budget cuts while these people are being paid large sums of money to essentially do nothing?
 
jet57 said:
I would disagree that women are a minority power.
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:lamo

How far down the male victim path are we going? Are we talkin' men's rights or #incel?
 
Carjosse said:
I have to deal with people like this at my university all the time. These "academics" really do contribute nothing. They do not participate in the real world, they spend their days in their academic echo chambers thinking they are changing the world when in reality all they are doing is wasting valuable money that could be spent on a real education for students who actually want to learn something besides how to be a lounge chair activist.

Why should the business department have to suffer budget cuts while these people are being paid large sums of money to essentially do nothing?
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Of course the male victim is in the business department, haha. Bureaucrat, admin or maintenance?
 
ecofarm said:
Of course the male victim is in the business department, haha. Bureaucrat, admin or maintenance?
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I don't know about your school but the business department at my school is majority female. Why should you take away money from their education? You are not doing anything, these women have decided to make something of themselves, they are the ones who will bring real change in society.
 
Carjosse said:
I don't know about your school but the business department at my school is majority female. Why should you take away money from their education? You are not doing anything, these women have decided to make something of themselves, they are the ones who will bring real change in society.
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Your victimization is the most important thing. Those women will get by, one way or another.
 
Carjosse said:
I have to deal with people like this at my university all the time. These "academics" really do contribute nothing. They do not participate in the real world, they spend their days in their academic echo chambers thinking they are changing the world when in reality all they are doing is wasting valuable money that could be spent on a real education for students who actually want to learn something besides how to be a lounge chair activist.

Why should the business department have to suffer budget cuts while these people are being paid large sums of money to essentially do nothing?
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Oh, I'm on board with you 100%, and couldn't have said it better. And those who disagree are called ignorant, stupid, uneducated, etc.
I worked in a university for years and have seen the same as you. After a certain level, the higher the education, the less grounded in real life they become.
 
holbritter said:
Oh, I'm on board with you 100%, and couldn't have said it better. And those who disagree are called ignorant, stupid, uneducated, etc.
I worked in a university for years and have seen the same as you. After a certain level, the higher the education, the less grounded in real life they become.
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Anti-intellectual tripe from the help. How dare you? You mean at some point you stopped understanding.
 
holbritter said:
Oh, I'm on board with you 100%, and couldn't have said it better. And those who disagree are called ignorant, stupid, uneducated, etc.
I worked in a university for years and have seen the same as you. After a certain level, the higher the education, the less grounded in real life they become.
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I fully support the organizations at my school who actively work to promote women to seek leadership positions in the business world, and fight stereotypes and misunderstandings about women in business. They are highly educated and skilled women, they are the ones who create change, not some PHd sitting in an office complaining about objection of women.
 
ecofarm said:
Your victimization is the most important thing. Those women will get by, one way or another.
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I am a firm believer you need to be the change you want to be, you don't get change by blaming other people or complaining about oppression. If you want to stop objectifying people, treat people how you want to be treated, I learned that in kindergarten, but apparently most people forget that one simple rule, including you.
 
holbritter said:
Whatever you say skippy!
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Intellectualism paid your bills and you stab it in the back because you don't understand. That's some kind of gratitude.
 
Carjosse said:
I am a firm believer you need to be the change you want to be, you don't get change by blaming other people or complaining about oppression. If you want to stop objectifying people, treat people how you want to be treated, I learned that in kindergarten, but apparently most people forget that one simple rule, including you.
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If we pretend it's not there, it goes away? That's painfully stupid.
 
ecofarm said:
:lamo

How far down the male victim path are we going? Are we talkin' men's rights or #incel?
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Apparently your education didn't include a reading comprehension class.
 
Carjosse said:
I have to deal with people like this at my university all the time. These "academics" really do contribute nothing. They do not participate in the real world, they spend their days in their academic echo chambers thinking they are changing the world when in reality all they are doing is wasting valuable money that could be spent on a real education for students who actually want to learn something besides how to be a lounge chair activist.

Why should the business department have to suffer budget cuts while these people are being paid large sums of money to essentially do nothing?
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I met some of those when I went back to college: "everything they say is absolutely correct" and then they test you on it with vague unconnected questions.
 
ecofarm said:
So if we pretend it's not there, it goes away. That's painfully stupid.
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What? That is not what I said at all. There are problems but you need to actually fight for the change you want to see instead of just sitting around playing the victim card, acting like the world owes you something. Take Martin Luther King, he actually fought for real change in the rights of Blacks. He did not just sit around complaining about how Blacks are victims and White America owes them them because of it, he fought for real equality under the law. People who actually bring change do so under the banner of equality and respect.

You actively harm those who want to bring real change by attempting to place blame and refusing to respect others place in society and calling those who seek real change either traitors or failures for not doing enough.
 
Carjosse said:
What? That is not what I said at all.
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It's exactly what you said. "Complaining about oppression doesn't change the world".

And what does complaining about those complaining about oppression accomplish? You're gonna gripe about what someone writes about on the internet and claim high ground on getting things done? What a joke.
 
ecofarm said:
It's exactly what you said. "Complaining about oppression doesn't change the world".

And what does complaining about those complaining about oppression accomplish? You're gonna gripe about what someone writes about on the internet and claim high ground on getting things done? What a joke.
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Like I said you and people like you are nothing but an obstacle to those who want to actually create change. It is people like you who made feminism a bad word by refusing to respect others and not pushing for equality but revenge.

I help real change by supporting those who want to do it and being the change where I can.
 
Carjosse said:
Like I said you and people like you are nothing but an obstacle to those who want to actually create change. It is people like you who made feminism a bad word by refusing to respect others and not pushing for equality but revenge.

I help real change by supporting those who want to do it and being the change where I can.
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You're complaining about complaining and spewing crap. You have no idea what I do personally and while I'm generally inclined to go on and on about my work, I have no interest in further attempts to explain anything to you.

Take your self righteous BS elsewhere.
 
ecofarm said:
You're complaining about complaining and spewing crap. You have no idea what I do personally and while I'm generally inclined to go on and on about my work, I have no interest in further attempts to explain anything to you.

Take your self righteous BS elsewhere.
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Your work does nothing in reality. Sitting in an office perpetuating victimhood and justifying disrespect to other groups does nothing.

I ask one simple question. What do you actually do to support change?
 


My mom was a single parent with 6 boys from 3 different guys and I DO NOT feel like she was my father... It put me at a huge disadvantage and I wish my father would have been there... Many times she was so damn tired that there was ZERO interaction for weeks. Im not blaming her... Im just saying I wish I had my father. And we can admit these women are brave but I dont think being a single parent is a badge of honor.... Its sorta messin' our society up a bit.
 
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