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Unarmed Black Males Account for Only 2% of People Fatally Shot by Police

MrWonka said:
That's because governments aren't the ones causing redheads problems in the first place. The Sun is an inanimate object and cannot choose to back off on redheads, therefore, it is redheads who have no choice, but to try and protect themselves from it. The Government, however, can make better choices. They can back off the African American community a bit and look at some of the fundamental things that lead this situation. That's not necessarily directed at police either. The war on drugs fuels these gang wars. It's a pointlessly stupid war. Just like prohibition caused gang crime among whites in Chicago today we're seeing the same thing happening with the African American community. We're not stopping people from doing drugs we're just creating a black market that we know leads to all this violence and we don't care cause it gives an excuse to put black people in jail or flat out shoot them.

Legalize weed and tax it. End the war on drugs and use the money you're spending on police and collecting from taxes on weed to invest in these communities. Build better schools. Invest in early education. Buy up some of these ****ty low rent apartment buildings, and just let the occupants own them so they take better care of them. Throwing more cops at the problem doesn't solve it. That just escalates the problem.

These black people who are protesting aren't just targetting cops it's the system as a whole. It's the politicians who make the policies that create so many criminals and think cops can magically stop them. Cities like Chicago and Baltimore have more police per 100k people than any other cities in America. Yet they close a lower percentage of cases, and they do nothing to stop the violence.
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Name 1 NFL player that has made a statement even CLOSE to what you typed as to their intent for kneeling.


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Lord Tammerlain said:
I wonder how many of the armed suspects that were shot were actually not armed but had a "drop" weapon placed on them by the police.
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probably next to none in the era of dashboard and body cameras.

I mean if you were to believe the families of anyone shot by police their precious little-uns were gunned down by racist cops, and all their extensive criminal histories were all frame jobs, and they were just about to turn their lives around anyway.
 
MrWonka said:
They all have if you try listening sometime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-Kaepernick-football-protests.html

"We spoke at length about many of the issues that face our community, including systemic oppression against people of color, police brutality and the criminal justice system." - Eric Reid
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I looked up the article.

His first example of the ‘systemic oppression’ HE cites is Alton Sterling.

Do you know what happened in the Alton Sterling shooting?


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MrWonka said:
They all have if you try listening sometime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-Kaepernick-football-protests.html

"We spoke at length about many of the issues that face our community, including systemic oppression against people of color, police brutality and the criminal justice system." - Eric Reid
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Oh...and BTW...their only motivation for sitting as they stated was police brutality. And as I pointed out...he then proceeds to give the typical bull**** response to police brutality.


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MTAtech said:
I agree that what I posted isn't current American law enforcement -- and that's the problem. You think it isn't worth ordering up a dozen or so extra police to save a deranged person' life...
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No, I'm saying it's not practical in many American towns and cities, due to the differences in American and British crime levels.
For example, in 2017-

UK had 629 homicides
USA had 17,250 homicides

Most American police departments do not have the luxury of being able to spend 2 hours chasing a man with a machete until he tires himself out and collapses into their waiting arms. American police have to respond to multiple violent situations per shift.

- just shoot him and get on with your day.
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No, that is not my position. The on scene officers should attempt to de-escalate the situation and talk the suspect into voluntarily disarming. If they do that and the suspect still charges at them with a weapon, they are well within their procedural rights to use lethal force.


You have underscored a failed attitude. You say that cities don't have the resources but somehow our European friends are able to do it. Moreover, there is a tremendous amount of costs to a fatality -- not do mention the cost of defending civil and criminal legal actions.
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American police officers didn't create this situation we're all forced to live in, where the USA's yearly homicide totals are on par with countries like South Africa. Something bigger and more complex created that. European countries are not burdened with millions of violent offenders, federal orders which result in the early release of state prisoners back into the population because of prison overcrowding, or 300 million guns on the street. So what works for them is irrelevant in this context.
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Did you watch the video clip I included in my last reply?
 
truthatallcost said:
Did you read the OP? The point of the OP was that only 2% of the fatal police shootings last year involved an unarmed black suspect, yet the media obsessively covers these shootings. I didn't think it was very difficult to understand.

And no one on the left seems to want to address the fact that black males commit roughly 50% of all homicides annually. Here's a hint: when the black community gets it's **** in order and stops murdering so many people, the number of black people fatally shot by police officers will also subside. Police officers tend to use deadly force against violent people, and not use deadly force against nonviolent people. When's the last time anyone heard of police officers shooting an unarmed Asian person? Doesn't happen very often, because the overall Asian population isn't violent.
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Was I complaining about where you got the 2% figure from or whether or not it was accurate? No.

I simply explained to readers where you obtained your figure since it isn't mentioned int he WaPo article and instead of focusing on the aggregate numbers as the FoxNews article clear does, I focused on the annual statistics. So, you can calm down now. I didn't say you were wrong; I merely provided a breakdown of the figures provided.
 
KLATTU said:
Or used the calculator on his phone.( from the WaPO article)

lice fatally shot 987 people last year, or two dozen more than they killed in 2016, according to an ongoing Washington Post database project that tracks the fatal shootings. Since 2015, The Post has logged the details of 2,945 shooting deaths, culled from local news coverage, public records and social-media reports.

While many of the year-to-year patterns remain consistent, the number of unarmed black males killed in 2017 declined from two years ago. Last year, police killed 19, a figure tracking closely with the 17 killed in 2016. In 2015, police shot and killed 36 unarmed black males."
let's see -987 fatal shootings. 19 were unarmed black men. That 's LESS THAN 2%!!!! according to my abacus.
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You can calm down, too.

As I pointed out to truthatallcost, I didn't say he was wrong. I merely pointed out the the 2% figure he used didn't come from the WaPo article. It came from the FoxNews article.
 
Nickyjo said:
Soooo... We should not report on or investigate incidents where an unarmed person is shot by the police? I myself was profiled as a "Puerto Rican hijacker" and nearly shot by plain clothes cops who didn't ID themselves.
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And I ask for the 10th time...since when is every “unarmed” person not a danger?
 
itsforthekids said:
And I ask for the 10th time...since when is every “unarmed” person not a danger?
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Sorry, don't get your point. An unarmed person could presumably be a danger. The cops in my case were eventually very apologetic, but they screwed up. They could have simply yelled that they were cops, instead of hiding their identity, badges, etc. I was planning to flee to some uniformed cops I had passed in my car for protection, as I thought they were thugs, not police. I was no danger, the cops were.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And seems specifically focused on a single city containing one six hundredth of the population.
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Right

and it happened in St Louis another cop was video taped putting a taser by the body of someone he shot in the back, trying to make it look like he was armed. How many times have police gotten away with similar incidents with out being taped?
 
Objective Voice said:
You can calm down, too.

As I pointed out to truthatallcost, I didn't say he was wrong. I merely pointed out the the 2% figure he used didn't come from the WaPo article. It came from the FoxNews article.
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SMH. What t point are you trying to make?

That Foxnews made the 2 % number up?

If an article says 19 of 987 shootings were unarmed black males, yea, they are saying it's 2%.


Yeeesh.
 
VanceMack said:
Do you know what happened in the Alton Sterling shooting?
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Yes, a black man was shot to death within seconds of police approaching him based entirely on a tip from a homeless man that he had a gun. Something that you know....basically, every white man in Texas has on them at all times, and never has to worry about it. Absolutely no reason it needed to happen.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I mean if you were to believe the families of anyone shot by police their precious little-uns were gunned down by racist cops, and all their extensive criminal histories were all frame jobs, and they were just about to turn their lives around anyway.
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But if you had to believe people like you then every single solitary person ever shot by a cop deserved it and had it coming because they had a parking ticket one time. So how about we meet somewhere in the middle. I mean I'm a white guy for christ sake, and I would have to take my shoes off to count the number of times a cop bold faced lied to me. There's nothing about putting on a badge that magically makes you a phenomenally honest human being.

It just never ceases to amaze me how much conservatives bitch about need guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government, but every single solitary time an agent of the government blows the brains out of a black guy it's conservatives who come running to the defense of the government that can do no wrong.
 
MrWonka said:
Yes, a black man was shot to death within seconds of police approaching him based entirely on a tip from a homeless man that he had a gun. Something that you know....basically, every white man in Texas has on them at all times, and never has to worry about it. Absolutely no reason it needed to happen.
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Holy ****. You can’t even be honest about something you KNOW is going to be called out on.

Alton Sterling... a black man...pulled a gun on another black man. When police responded he resisted arrest and fought with law enforcement resulting in tazing. While on the ground attempting to subdue him he kept reaching for his gun at which point he was shot.

You have no credibility. None. You are embarrassing yourself.


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VanceMack said:
pulled a gun on another black man.
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False. He displayed a weapon. You have no evidence of any kind to suggest he was seriously threatening anybody. Some of the other vendors on the street had been robbed recently. Possibly by the same homeless guy that called the cops.

I went to the liquor store down the street the other day. The white woman behind the counter had a .38 pistol on her hip in plain sight, and a sign saying she would use it to protect her business. I bet nobody has ever called the cops on her.

VanceMack said:
When police responded he resisted arrest
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What were they arresting him for? The police showed up with guns drawn. He wasn't displaying his gun at the time he was just standing there.

VanceMack said:
and fought with law enforcement resulting in tazing.
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Why were they fighting?

VanceMack said:
While on the ground attempting to subdue him he kept reaching for his gun at which point he was shot.
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You're basing this entirely on the word of a police officer. It's a shame that the dead man isn't around to tell us his side of the story.

VanceMack said:
You have no credibility. None.
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Why? Because I'm daring to question the actions of a government official who shot a man that hadn't actually hurt anybody?

One of the officers you seem to think are perfect angels was fired for violating use of force policies. The other was suspended for losing his temper.
 
MrWonka said:
False. He displayed a weapon. You have no evidence of any kind to suggest he was seriously threatening anybody. Some of the other vendors on the street had been robbed recently. Possibly by the same homeless guy that called the cops.

I went to the liquor store down the street the other day. The white woman behind the counter had a .38 pistol on her hip in plain sight, and a sign saying she would use it to protect her business. I bet nobody has ever called the cops on her.


What were they arresting him for? The police showed up with guns drawn. He wasn't displaying his gun at the time he was just standing there.


Why were they fighting?


You're basing this entirely on the word of a police officer. It's a shame that the dead man isn't around to tell us his side of the story.


Why? Because I'm daring to question the actions of a government official who shot a man that hadn't actually hurt anybody?

One of the officers you seem to think are perfect angels was fired for violating use of force policies. The other was suspended for losing his temper.
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Bull****. These weren’t street vendors. He was selling illegal CDs outside a convenience store he pulled a gun on a man. The cops were called and he resisted arrest. He was tazed and is on video fighting cops and struggling to reach his gun. That you so willingly lie says everything about your lack of integrity.


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KLATTU said:
SMH. What t point are you trying to make?

That Foxnews made the 2 % number up?

If an article says 19 of 987 shootings were unarmed black males, yea, they are saying it's 2%.


Yeeesh.
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Someone asked where the 2% figure came from assuming it came from the WaPo article. I merely pointed out it came from the FoxNews article. So again, you can calm down big fella. No one's calling anyone a liar. I were just trying to clear up confusion.

You're Welcome. :2wave:
 
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