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Samantha Bee and Roseanne Barr

Actually the BIAS are those people that think Rosanne should get a free pass for her comments, yet want a football player taking a knee during the National Anthem to be fined and/or fired.

^^^ This.
 
More pathetic false equivalencies

And please, the White house says vile things on a daily basis and does nothing but attack and name call people, so they can STFU about whining about being called something.

There was racism in Roseannes comments, and not in Samantha Bee's comments, just maybe harsh and uncivil

I guess Trump should resign by those standards.

God, why do some right wingers even bother posting, if you don't have any actual facts and arguments, just stop posting instead of making fools of yourself with dishonest garbage like this
 
Uh huh. As I've said, feigning stupidity is a prerequisite for being a Trump supporter on a debate forum.

Who you taking about? Can't be me. I did not vote for Trump. One could conclude you have taken lessons fromthe school of Pelosi. You can't back up your opinion.
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Uh huh. As I've said, feigning stupidity is a prerequisite for being a Trump supporter on a debate forum.
What leads you to believe they are 'feigning'? :lol:
 
I found both Barr's and Bee's comments offensive personally.

ABC, TBS and any other network has every right to terminate there employees, their programing for whatever reason. But I do think the case can be made that they have double standards on how they deal with certain people.
Disney hired Obermann at ESPN yet he has a long history on Twitter of being vile in his comments against those he disagrees with politically. Tim Allen's show Last Man Standing was cancelled even though it was a hit. Reason given was a change in programming on Friday nights. Allen like Barr has openly supported Trump and their shows at times reflected as much.

Barr made her outrageous remarks on Twitter toward a high profile individual of the Obama administration. Samantha Bee made her outrageous remarks on a televised pre-taped program toward the daughter of President Trump and the network didn't have a problem with it until they started getting blowback and sponsors pulling their advertisement.

I think you would have to be blind in one eye and can't see out of the other to not notice there is a political bias and double standards at both ABC and TBS but this is nothing new except now because both incidents happened within days of one another and the differences on how each was handled, people are pointing them out. Twitter is going crazy over it and on my MSM feed I counted no less than 8 stories in the MSM covering it. A lot of good questions being asked.
 
Honest, educated and objective people understand the fact it's not the same.

People are free to feel how they want about each case and be offended or not but they are factually different. No amount of dishonesty will ever make these two cases the same thing :shrug:
 
Actually, I'm surprised Barr was fired so quickly, given the huge ratings of the show.

My suspicion: ABC didn't want to litigate all her possible questionable or grey-area Tweets from the past that might surface. Birtherism & DC Pizzagate, for starters. So yeah, I agree.

Yes, I agree too. She could have started spiraling. It's probably best for a lot of people, including Roseanne this happened. Her ex husband also says she has a history of mental health issues.
 
Yes, I agree too. She could have started spiraling. It's probably best for a lot of people, including Roseanne this happened. Her ex husband also says she has a history of mental health issues.
While I may believe this, especially now that she admits being on psychoactive drugs, I'm wary as hell of the opinions of ex-wives & ex-husbands! :mrgreen:
 
It is fascinating just how much virtue signaling has come from the side of the aisle that ****s on virtue signaling all the time.

On the one hand, their president can repeatedly use the most crude, hostile language we've ever seen a president make.

But then one comedian they don't like drops one bad werd against Princess Melania, and the virtue signaling rains down from the heavens!

Complete hypocrisy.

Trump himself is guilty of this. When Roseanne got fired, he wanted to know where his apology was. He didn't condemn her racist tweet. When Bee made her comments, he demanded she be fired.

Trump and his supporters don't understand the difference between being an asshole and being a racist asshole. If it weren't for the racism, Roseanne probably would have caught a little bit of a break.
 
I see the left traveling down this road you have mentioned above.... that Roseanne insulted the entire black race and the reason they promote this faux narrative is because it serves their playing of identity politics with the goal of keeping minorities a major part of their voting bloc.

The worst offenders are the white leftists who will have you believe that minorities are too fragile to speak for themselves. Ridiculous and IMO, and insult to them.
And don't forget, Joe Biden even tried to make the black community believe that those evil white people on the other side, want nothing more than to put them all back in chains. Code for, now give me your vote.

You know what could end this whole meme about Trump and his supporters being racist... If Trump actually condemned the racism in Roseanne's tweet. It's that simple. Instead, every time he could have said something condemning racism, he fails to do so.

This isn't a liberal conspiracy of plantation black voters or whatever. Trump and his supporters aren't being victimized by liberal identity politics. It really looks like you don't care about blatant racism. That's the real problem
 
I found both Barr's and Bee's comments offensive personally.

ABC, TBS and any other network has every right to terminate there employees, their programing for whatever reason. But I do think the case can be made that they have double standards on how they deal with certain people.
Disney hired Obermann at ESPN yet he has a long history on Twitter of being vile in his comments against those he disagrees with politically. Tim Allen's show Last Man Standing was cancelled even though it was a hit. Reason given was a change in programming on Friday nights. Allen like Barr has openly supported Trump and their shows at times reflected as much.

Barr made her outrageous remarks on Twitter toward a high profile individual of the Obama administration. Samantha Bee made her outrageous remarks on a televised pre-taped program toward the daughter of President Trump and the network didn't have a problem with it until they started getting blowback and sponsors pulling their advertisement.

I think you would have to be blind in one eye and can't see out of the other to not notice there is a political bias and double standards at both ABC and TBS but this is nothing new except now because both incidents happened within days of one another and the differences on how each was handled, people are pointing them out. Twitter is going crazy over it and on my MSM feed I counted no less than 8 stories in the MSM covering it. A lot of good questions being asked.

If Roseanne didn't go so racist, she probably would have gotten more of a break. Also, she has history of tweeting conspiracy theories. A lot of people like her ex husband said they knew she would eventually be fired over a tweet.
 
Never mind that innocent casts and co-workers were penalized, they'd lost their incomes over ABC's decision.
They'd lost their jobs because or Barr's decision. I assure you most of the cast and crew will be re-hired for whatever show replaces this one. As for the specific actors, they're all wealthy enough they'll be fine.

Have they considered the mental health of Barr?

So your argument is that they should have kept someone who is mentally unstable on their payroll as the lead character of a family sitcom?

Bee is a stand-up comic. But Barr is a comic, too!
Bee is a comic whose show is specifically about political satire. It's her job to make fun of politicians when they do stupid ass **** which Ivanka Trump did in fact do.

Barr is a family sit-com. Her character is supposed to be that of a matriarch who imparts funny family advice from the perspective of blue-collar Americans. If she is an overt racist then she is a stain on blue-collar families and presenting them in a terrible light.

Bee's platform for comedy may target Trump and his policies.....but, why should that make her any different than any other comic?
Because Bee is doing the job she was specifically hired to do. Barr was not.

There is your bias!

Nope, that's you.
 
Is running your mouth on twitter when you have everything to lose, a mental condition?

The issue is different for every network, for every head of the network.

The reality is that Trump ramped up the racist rhetoric and sentiment, fanned those flames for over a year now. Of course, Trump has tweet just as bad than both of them, while President of the United States, so if you really want to fire everyone let's start with the "leader" who has set the tone...right?

As far as apologies go, Roseanne seemed to be all-in for the most part. She did a little bit of defensiveness and victim stuff, but overall I suspect if they put serious demands on her to return, including talking about the issues with racism and what not, promoting against that, etc., they could have benefited more from that then from firing her. However, word is that other actors were ready to quit over it, boycotts were looming, and overall it was going to take a toll on ABC if they opposed it. While I hate Trump, and I think Roseanne is a moron in general, and for supporting Trump, I'd be fine if they gave her a second chance with all those stipulations, and used this more as a teaching movement not just about how not to be stupid and seem racist, but to also who how people can redeem and be forgiven.

Samantha at most should apologize. Her show is called "full frontal", and she insulted someone who is part of her elected government, we can do that all day long without concern for speaking out against government. That Republicans want to harm Samantha for speaking truth to power is just laughable, and dangerous.

I mean, Trump will surely ask for forgiveness one day if he just sees others lead by example...right? (kidding on that last one).
 
You know what could end this whole meme about Trump and his supporters being racist... If Trump actually condemned the racism in Roseanne's tweet. It's that simple. Instead, every time he could have said something condemning racism, he fails to do so.

This isn't a liberal conspiracy of plantation black voters or whatever. Trump and his supporters aren't being victimized by liberal identity politics. It really looks like you don't care about blatant racism. That's the real problem

and liberals defended Bee's comments towards Ivanka.
it looks like you really don't care about sexism against women.

the liberal hypocrisy is tried and true.
 
Bee is a comic whose show is specifically about political satire. It's her job to make fun of politicians when they do stupid ass **** which Ivanka Trump did in fact do.

So she deserves to be called the C word because of a picture of her holding her son?
are you friggin serious?

So please tell us what was so stupid in that photo that she deserved to be called the C word.

pathetic is what is it. the liberal hypocrisy at it's finest here folks.
 
and liberals defended Bee's comments towards Ivanka.
it looks like you really don't care about sexism against women.

the liberal hypocrisy is tried and true.

That is piss poor reasoning, indeed.
Explain how a woman using that word against another woman could possibly be interpreted as "sexism toward women".

Context matters.
 
You know what could end this whole meme about Trump and his supporters being racist... If Trump actually condemned the racism in Roseanne's tweet. It's that simple. Instead, every time he could have said something condemning racism, he fails to do so.

This isn't a liberal conspiracy of plantation black voters or whatever. Trump and his supporters aren't being victimized by liberal identity politics. It really looks like you don't care about blatant racism. That's the real problem

I agree with the bolded part.
I do not accept your blanket condemnation though...Your assessment is stupid.
 
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That is piss poor reasoning, indeed.
Explain how a woman using that word against another woman could possibly be interpreted as "sexism toward women".

Context matters.

Well, it's certainly possible for a woman to be misogynist, but anybody who thinks Samantha Bee is a misogynist needs to share whatever they're smoking.

But it's certainly true that the comment is coming from a woman and is going to most likely have a different connotation, like any other ethnicity referring to members of their own group by an ethnic slur.
 
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Roseanne Barr tweeted a racist slur on an adviser of Obama. Samantha Bee referred to Ivanka Trump as a "feckless c***," on-air!

Barr apologised. Bee apologised.

Barr got fired, along with all her co-stars and co-workers behind the scene (show cancelled). Bee got off scott-free. Apologists for Bee say, it's not the same.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/opin...ght-even-if-her-word-wasnt-drexler/index.html


Never mind that innocent casts and co-workers were penalized, they'd lost their incomes over ABC's decision. They're casualties of this irrational climate we live in now. Couldn't they have simply fined Barr?

Apoloigists say:

Barr had randomly tweeted racist comments over the years. Isn't this the same one who'd used vulgar language, and vulgar gestures (crotch-grabbing).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/entertainment/roseanne-controversial-moments/index.html


Have they considered the mental health of Barr?



The apologists say, Bee is a stand-up comic. But Barr is a comic, too!
Bee's platform for comedy may target Trump and his policies.....but, why should that make her any different than any other comic?
In other words, Bee is being given a pass............because her target is Trump!


There! There is your bias!

False equivalence.

Dismissed.
 
That is piss poor reasoning, indeed.
Explain how a woman using that word against another woman could possibly be interpreted as "sexism toward women".

Context matters.

it is. the C word is a very offensive word to women in general no matter who is calling them that.
the only reason you are excusing it is that it was directed at a Trump.
 
it is. the C word is a very offensive word to women in general no matter who is calling them that.
the only reason you are excusing it is that it was directed at a Trump.

You can't speak for all women. I don't even know if you can speak for any women.
 
it is. the C word is a very offensive word to women in general no matter who is calling them that.
the only reason you are excusing it is that it was directed at a Trump.

People elected a president that says they grab random women by the ***** without asking. Just stop.
 
it is. the C word is a very offensive word to women in general no matter who is calling them that.
the only reason you are excusing it is that it was directed at a Trump.

Nope, just not buying the false equivalence.

Are you offended?
 
the only reason you are excusing it is that it was directed at a Trump.

It's not excused, it's just not the same as racism. It's a female pejorative employed by a known female feminist. Low class, counter productive and vulgar, sure. But not sexist in intent or execution. It can only be argued as sexist in a larger context, and that would be against reclamation.
 
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