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Samantha Bee and Roseanne Barr

Chomsky said:
I don't believe this is necessarily true, because he is no longer a private citizen but rather the acting head of our government.

I think it would come down to whether his Tweets are legally determined to be official pronouncements, or found to be a private matter.

I'm leaning towards his Tweets being official, and I base this upon the recent court case where it was found he cannot delete comments from his Twitter account, as you & I can as private citizens.

So that's how I arrived at my statement wondering if Bee might have 1stA protection here. I can't say for sure, but based upon the earlier judges ruling she indeed may. I think she should try.
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I think you see what you want to see...
All presidents have the right to their opinion, and you've a right to be offended.
DJT tweeted his opinion about what he perceives is a double standard, and said nothing about abridging Bee's speech rights. Goodness... He has no power to have her fired or stop her from shooting off her vulgar mouth about his daughter. He's never indicated he was interested in personally harming her. Like I said, he is just calling out the double standard. I think he is right to do so, and I don't know why you are having a problem with this. However, bottom line, employers have the right to fire whomever. I see Bee still has her job, but sponsors are pulling out, so this may lead to her being fired. We'll see.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
It is really getting ridiculous. I think it is almost entirely due to social media. It used to be that when an entertainer said something offensive the only people who heard it were usually just people who watched that entertainer say it. They would get upset or not and move on. But now EVERYONE hears it and wants to comment on it, which just blows the story up. I don’t think most the people getting outraged over things said by the comedians/actors even watched their shows to begin with.

What is the big deal with being offended? I have been offended many times. Not once did being offended actually harm me. It is a very unhealthy trend we are seeing.
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Which was a point I wAs sorta trying to make in another thread.

To complicate matters, we have blurred the lines between sex and race by indulging people who "self identify".

Is it racist for a black person to make fun of black people?
How about if Nancy Pelosi makes fun of native americans?
How about if a transvestite male calls a woman a c-word? Is that sexist?
How about a white person who has a black parent? Do they then get to use the N bomb?
 
Chomsky said:
Bias in the populace, and the free-market solutions that provide for it.
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And we're OK with this? Do we believe this same principle doesn't infect our news, owned by those same biased media companies?
 
trixare4kids said:
Nope. President Trump is not attempting to stop free speech. He has the rights of every other American who has the unfettered liberty to comment when they see a double standard. Nothing dangerous about it at all.
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Negative. Trump is our president. If we wanted him to have an opinion, it's up to us to collectively give him one.
 
tosca1 said:
Roseanne Barr tweeted a racist slur on an adviser of Obama. Samantha Bee referred to Ivanka Trump as a "feckless c***," on-air!

Barr apologised. Bee apologised.

Barr got fired, along with all her co-stars and co-workers behind the scene (show cancelled). Bee got off scott-free. Apologists for Bee say, it's not the same.
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One directed vulgarity at a seat of power, the other demeaned an entire people using a slur that justified the act of dehumanizing them.

They're not in the same universe.

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trixare4kids said:
I think you see what you want to see...
All presidents have the right to their opinion, and you've a right to be offended.
DJT tweeted his opinion about what he perceives is a double standard, and said nothing about abridging Bee's speech rights. Goodness... He has no power to have her fired or stop her from shooting off her vulgar mouth about his daughter. He's never indicated he was interested in personally harming her. Like I said, he is just calling out the double standard. I think he is right to do so, and I don't know why you are having a problem with this. However, bottom line, employers have the right to fire whomever. I see Bee still has her job, but sponsors are pulling out, so this may lead to her being fired. We'll see.
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They have a right to an opinion, and an obligation to keep that opinion to themselves until they are no longer "on the job", same as any other worker.
 
SheWolf said:
Ronseanne's ex husband says he wasn't surprised she got fired. He said he always knew it would end this way over a tweet. She apparently believes in all kinds of conspiracy theories and tweets offensive stuff. She even thinks Parkland didn't happen and the kids are crisis actors.

It seems ABC didn't want to keep taking hits because of her tweeting.

Bee's situation isn't over. Advertisers have pulled out.
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Actually, I'm surprised Barr was fired so quickly, given the huge ratings of the show.

My suspicion: ABC didn't want to litigate all her possible questionable or grey-area Tweets from the past that might surface. Birtherism & DC Pizzagate, for starters. So yeah, I agree.
 
It is fascinating just how much virtue signaling has come from the side of the aisle that ****s on virtue signaling all the time.

On the one hand, their president can repeatedly use the most crude, hostile language we've ever seen a president make.

But then one comedian they don't like drops one bad werd against Princess Melania, and the virtue signaling rains down from the heavens!

Complete hypocrisy.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
It is really getting ridiculous. I think it is almost entirely due to social media. It used to be that when an entertainer said something offensive the only people who heard it were usually just people who watched that entertainer say it. They would get upset or not and move on. But now EVERYONE hears it and wants to comment on it, which just blows the story up. I don’t think most the people getting outraged over things said by the comedians/actors even watched their shows to begin with.

What is the big deal with being offended? I have been offended many times. Not once did being offended actually harm me. It is a very unhealthy trend we are seeing.
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imo, there is no way to go through life without being "offended" at some point in time. I think you are on the right track with the "social media" take.

I also have the opinion that the influence of "everyone one is a winner, no losers and everyone gets a trophy" has led us to this condition.
 
KevinKohler said:
Negative. Trump is our president. If we wanted him to have an opinion, it's up to us to collectively give him one.
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We gave him an opinion the day he became our 45th president. Maybe you didn't get the outcome for your opinion that you wanted, but the voters of this country, "collectively", say otherwise.
 
Phys251 said:
It is fascinating just how much virtue signaling has come from the side of the aisle that ****s on virtue signaling all the time.

On the one hand, their president can repeatedly use the most crude, hostile language we've ever seen a president make.

But then one comedian they don't like drops one bad werd against Princess Melania, and the virtue signaling rains down from the heavens!

Complete hypocrisy.
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Princess Ivanka, not Princess Melania. But since they're about the same age, I can see the confusion.
 
KevinKohler said:
Why, I wonder?

Wouldn't have...anything to do with the targets....would it?
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Targets are indeed part of it, as Ivanka is a specific government attache', where Barr's racist remark attacked an entire group of private citizens.

Society seems to weigh besmirching government power, vs using racial epithets, at different levels. As well as setting different levels for profanity versus racism.
 
Cardinal said:
One directed vulgarity at a seat of power, the other demeaned an entire people using a slur that justified the act of dehumanizing them.

They're not in the same universe.

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Disagree. Seems RB statement was directed at one person. Much like SB statement was directed at one person. Unless you can show where RB statement included all "blacks", you are just showing your bias.

" Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett looked like a product of the Muslim Brotherhood and “Planet of the Apes.”
 
tres borrachos said:
Princess Ivanka, not Princess Melania. But since they're about the same age, I can see the confusion.
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Funny (Melania is young enough to be Ivanka's older sister), but Melania does pass the "half your age plus seven" test.
 
KevinKohler said:
They have a right to an opinion, and an obligation to keep that opinion to themselves until they are no longer "on the job", same as any other worker.
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So you want your president to be a mute?

Find another country...
 
mike2810 said:
Disagree. Seems RB statement was directed at one person. Much like SB statement was directed at one person. Unless you can show where RB statement included all "blacks", you are just showing your bias.

" Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett looked like a product of the Muslim Brotherhood and “Planet of the Apes.”
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Uh huh. As I've said, feigning stupidity is a prerequisite for being a Trump supporter on a debate forum.
 
Cardinal said:
Funny (Melania is young enough to be Ivanka's older sister), but Melania does pass the "half your age plus seven" test.
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KevinKohler said:
And we're OK with this? Do we believe this same principle doesn't infect our news, owned by those same biased media companies?
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We're not talking news here. We're talking entertainment. And I have no desire to interfere with my fellow Americans' lawful forms of entertainment.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
People are overthinking this and making it about a double standard. But the decisions made by the respective networks were likely economic ones. Liberals and conservatives alike watched Rosanne. If enough people were going to abandon watching her show due to her rhetoric then the fiscally wise decision is to replace the show with one that will attract more viewers. On the other hand, Bee’s audience is a more politically homogenous one. Her atttacking a member of the Trump clan wasn’t likely to hurt the bottom line so they kept trucking along like normal.
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Racism =/= insult. Bee goes racist she's gone.

Also, this was an ongoing problem with Barr. There had been more than one incident since filming began.
 
mike2810 said:
Disagree. Seems RB statement was directed at one person. Much like SB statement was directed at one person. Unless you can show where RB statement included all "blacks", you are just showing your bias.

" Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett looked like a product of the Muslim Brotherhood and “Planet of the Apes.”
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I see the left traveling down this road you have mentioned above.... that Roseanne insulted the entire black race and the reason they promote this faux narrative is because it serves their playing of identity politics with the goal of keeping minorities a major part of their voting bloc.

The worst offenders are the white leftists who will have you believe that minorities are too fragile to speak for themselves. Ridiculous and IMO, and insult to them.
And don't forget, Joe Biden even tried to make the black community believe that those evil white people on the other side, want nothing more than to put them all back in chains. Code for, now give me your vote.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Princess Ivanka, not Princess Melania. But since they're about the same age, I can see the confusion.
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That has to really be an odd & uncomfortable position for a child. At least he didn't date or marry one of her friends! (that we know)
 
ecofarm said:
Racism =/= insult. Bee goes racist she's gone.

Also, this was an ongoing problem with Barr. There had been more than one incident since filming began.
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trixare4kids said:
I think you see what you want to see...
All presidents have the right to their opinion, and you've a right to be offended.
DJT tweeted his opinion about what he perceives is a double standard, and said nothing about abridging Bee's speech rights. Goodness... He has no power to have her fired or stop her from shooting off her vulgar mouth about his daughter. He's never indicated he was interested in personally harming her. Like I said, he is just calling out the double standard. I think he is right to do so, and I don't know why you are having a problem with this. However, bottom line, employers have the right to fire whomever. I see Bee still has her job, but sponsors are pulling out, so this may lead to her being fired. We'll see.
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I call it exactly as I see it, if that's what your stating.
 
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