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Why is it OK to call white people apes? Rosanne Vs Bill Maher

dirtpoorchris said:
What you just said is 100 times more offensive than what Rosanne said. Ur virtue signaling in an indirect way and hiding behind sanctioned moralities.
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I don't work for ABC.

It's not racist. You really don't get that? You can have a sqaubble, be an asshole, or hit back against an asshole. But if you are a celebrity working for a network that doesn't want to deal with it, you're outta there.

Word is that actors were talking about quitting in response, boycotts were being discussed, etc. ABC gets to make the call if they want to defend stupid or not.
Worse, this was done on twitter, entirely optional. Oops!
 
Mach said:
I don't work for ABC.

It's not racist. You really don't get that? You can have a sqaubble, be an asshole, or hit back against an asshole. But if you are a celebrity working for a network that doesn't want to deal with it, you're outta there.

Word is that actors were talking about quitting in response, boycotts were being discussed, etc. ABC gets to make the call if they want to defend stupid or not.
Worse, this was done on twitter, entirely optional. Oops!
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What you said was worse and more hate filled.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

OlNate said:
Again, didn't compare levels of offensiveness. lol Just said it wasn't racism.

Trix, why you so set on getting salty with me for things I didn't say? :lol: I mean, if you need to get some frustrations out based on nothing just let me know, I like you well enough to let you, and I won't waste my time responding. Just gotta let a buddy know, that's all... ;)
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I find that you are defending a double standard when it comes to offensive comments, and I believe the reason is that you hate Trump.
Just because the Maher comment is not racist does not make the comment any less offensive... Btw, Maher has made at least one racist comment in the past, and Oh guess what? He is still on the air...(see my post above)

Of course, individual employers have the right to fire and hire at whim but still.....
 
trixare4kids said:
I suppose you think it was acceptable for Maher to refer to himself as a house n_____r during one of his Real Time broadcasts? Be careful who you defend here.... He's a pig.
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You don't watch Maher apparently. Bill's also on HBO, not sure if you're aware of the fact that on HBO you aren't quite as worried about "family appeal" as ABC.
He also handled that well, and you saw Ice Cube agreed to go on the show and give him **** about it, because Ice Cube likes Bill...because they know his work, which you don't.

See, if you had a reputation for being a swell person, especially on a particular topic, and you **** up, you may get some leeway.
This is not Roseanne's first vocal **** up, she's a lightning rod and she pushed it one too far. Again, this was voluntarily on Twitter, had nothing to do with her show or anything of that sort either...

Bill is just a comedian who has a fairly smart, cynical comedy show on HBO. Get over it. Trump is POTUS and is 100x more irreverent than Bill, priorities.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
To me Maher's seemed more injected with hate. And Rosannes was just a trivial, offhanded, old person gripe
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I do not know enough about Barr to know if she really is a racist person or not, but I do know the common association made against black people and I am not surprised in the slightest that ABC jumped in and did something decisive. Barr should have known better, Ambien or otherwise. Even if at the time Barr considered it offhanded.

Maher's comments may have been more spirited on his show trying to make a point, however our issue here is Maher's comments were not centered on race. I do not think we can hold HBO / Time Warner to the same conclusion.

As I've already said I do not like either comment, but they were for different reasons.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

trixare4kids said:
I find that you are defending a double standard when it comes to offensive comments, and I believe the reason is that you hate Trump.
Just because the comment is not racism does not make it any less offensive...
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No, you are putting words in my mouth cuz you want to be pissed at me for some reason. I'm saying the comparison is stupid, because they are two different things. And I'm starting to get bored of you telling me what I believe and don't believe, what I am and am not doing... If you're going to fill in my part of this conversation for me, I'll leave you to it.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

dirtpoorchris said:
"my equals" What the **** are you talking about? I do not see "white people" as my peers or equals even though im white. Its Rich People& policy makers vs poor people dude...

You wanna see REAL racism? Try being white around mexican gangsters.
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you have to understand the power dynamic and accept that it exists.
 
Mach said:
You don't watch Maher apparently. Bill's also on HBO, not sure if you're aware of the fact that on HBO you aren't quite as worried about "family appeal" as ABC.
He also handled that well, and you saw Ice Cube agreed to go on the show and give him **** about it, because Ice Cube likes Bill...because they know his work, which you don't.

See, if you had a reputation for being a swell person, especially on a particular topic, and you **** up, you may get some leeway.
This is not Roseanne's first vocal **** up, she's a lightning rod and she pushed it one too far. Again, this was voluntarily on Twitter, had nothing to do with her show or anything of that sort either...

Bill is just a comedian who has a fairly smart, cynical comedy show on HBO. Get over it. Trump is POTUS and is 100x more irreverent than Bill, priorities.
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I see your butt-hurt has flared up again. Odd that you would lecture anyone here to "get over it".
IF you want to defend that pig Maher, shows exactly where your priorities are...
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

dirtpoorchris said:
Ur racist. What you said up here /\ is exactly whats IN YOUR HEAD. Not everyone elses. Do you have any black friends?
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I wasn't allowed to associate with black people growing up, there were no black people in my school. I've made it no secret on here that I was raised by literal white supremacists, was conditioned to think a certain way. Act a certain way. My parents went to prison, my step father died on the wrong side of a race riot in prison. I can't go home, because I'm considered a race traitor. The last time I did I ended up in the hospital, with the Sheriff telling me it's best I never come back.

So when I tell ya, that calling a black person an ape is an inside joke for racists. You can take that to the bank. And while I may have been brought to be a Klansmen, I gave up a lot, to go against what I was taught.

The fact is, there is racism born of hate, and then there is racism born of ignorance. You may not hate, but you sure as **** don't know a damn thing. In other words, ignorance. So go ahead call black people apes all you want. Just tells the rest of the world you don't put much thought into things.
 
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OlNate said:
No, you are putting words in my mouth cuz you want to be pissed at me for some reason. I'm saying the comparison is stupid, because they are two different things. And I'm starting to get bored of you telling me what I believe and don't believe, what I am and am not doing... If you're going to fill in my part of this conversation for me, I'll leave you to it.
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No, I am not pissed at you.
I simply see what you write for what it is.

Just because a comment is not racist does not make the comment any less offensive. I'm calling that defending a double standard. Sorry, if you won't accept my right to call it like I see it.
 
trixare4kids said:
I see your butt-hurt has flared up again. Odd that you would lecture anyone here to "get over it".
IF you want to defend that pig Maher, shows exactly where your priorities are...
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I rebut your ignorant comments and your response is crying about it? Why not refute it, or not respond, it would look less like you threw in the towel.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

dirtpoorchris said:
So you think its okay to call white people apes and say that the president's mom fu**ed orangatangs.
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Maher is a white man. Clearly, he was not insulting all white people as he himself is a white person. His insults were directed at one individual, and that individual is a narcissist who parades around claiming to be gods gift to women to the point where he's so awesome he can get away with sexually assaulting them.

In comedy, there's a concept called punching up. A good comedian will always try to make fun of people who are more powerful than they are not less. Taking powerful people down a notch and trying to keep them from getting too full of themselves is one of its chief goals. Valerie Jarrett does not prance around acting like she's some kind of supermodel that should be on the cover of Vogue magazine. Jarrett is an intellectual with a degree from Standford University and an honorable public servant. To reduce her to a racial stereotype as if her looks are more important is disgusting and disgraceful.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

dirtpoorchris said:
"my equals" What the **** are you talking about? I do not see "white people" as my peers or equals even though im white. Its Rich People& policy makers vs poor people dude...

You wanna see REAL racism? Try being white around mexican gangsters.
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here is an example of the power dynamic:

whites and blacks use marijuana at the same rate.

but, blacks are arrested at 10 times the rate.

Are people of color arrested more often for marijuana in New York? | PolitiFact New York

The agency tracked 17,880 total criminal marijuana arrests in New York City last year. Almost half of the people arrested — 8,565 — were black. Some 6,853 were Hispanic and 890 were identified as "other." Only 1,572 of the offenders were white.
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dirtpoorchris said:
I mean... If Rosaenne is getting fired for it.... Then its time to cancel Bill Maher. If you think its ok to call white people apes but not black people then you are admitting your own secret hidden racism that you think black people look like apes you racist little bastard!



And this was ON HIS SHOW!!! At least Rosaenne did it on her personal... Either fire Bill Maher or ur a hypocrite. (but we already know they are hypocrites)
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Congratulations!

Look up “whataboutism” there you will find your OP!
 
Mach said:
I rebut your ignorant comments and your response is crying about it? Why not refute it, or not respond, it would look less like you threw in the towel.
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Don't go away mad because your ego won't accept that I've a GD right to disagree with your defense of a pig racist, sexist, named Bill Maher.

Oh btw, "Get over it"
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I mean... If Rosaenne is getting fired for it.... Then its time to cancel Bill Maher. If you think its ok to call white people apes but not black people then you are admitting your own secret hidden racism that you think black people look like apes you racist little bastard!



And this was ON HIS SHOW!!! At least Rosaenne did it on her personal... Either fire Bill Maher or ur a hypocrite. (but we already know they are hypocrites)
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Context is everything here. Show me where attempts were made to seriously convince people that Trump's entire race was a species of monkey. You can't. It never happened.
 
Before Roseanne goes around comparing other women to Orangutans. she should probably check her own ass out in the mirror first!

Just sayin'!

BlaHAHAHAHAHA!
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

Winston said:
Yes, but being White you have to deal with racism from your equals, rather than those in power leveraging their power against you because of skin color.
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dirtpoorchris said:
"my equals" What the **** are you talking about? I do not see "white people" as my peers or equals even though im white. Its Rich People& policy makers vs poor people dude...

You wanna see REAL racism? Try being white around mexican gangsters.
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I believe you misunderstood the equals part of my post.

I said deal with RACISM from your equals. Meaning you deal with racism from other people of your socio-economic status. So, racism from equal Mexicans, equal blacks. Blacks have to deal with all that, PLUS racism from those in power, their elected officials, and law enforcement. Whites hardly encounter that as much in society. Here, is an example of why the ruling class calling a minority a known racial slur is different to Maher's jokes. When Maher makes jokes, there is not the weight of the oppression behind his words, the way there is when Roseanne says it.
 
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trixare4kids said:
No, I am not pissed at you.
I simply see what you write for what it is.

Just because a comment is not racist does not make the comment any less offensive. I'm calling that defending a double standard. Sorry, if you won't accept my right to call it like I sees it.
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lol...you're in a weird mood today, Trix. I won't accept your right to call it like ya sees it? lol... I couldn't be more supportive of your right to call it as ya sees it. But sometimes we see weird stuff...when we don't get enough sleep, when we take too many mushrooms. You're inventing a fight with me, bud, and I haven't argued with you once.

I'm sure Trump was offended about the stuff that was said about him. But it wasn't racism, which is what the OP is alleging, or that not being all verklempt over it is racist, or some other weird attempt at an equivalency. That's what I'm debating.

Feel like talking about that? :) hehe
 
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OlNate said:
lol...you're in a weird mood today, Trix. I won't accept your right to call it like ya sees it? lol... I couldn't be more supportive of your right to call it as ya sees it. But sometimes we see weird stuff...when we don't get enough sleep, when we take too many mushrooms. You're inventing a fight with me, bud, and I haven't argued with you once.

I'm sure Trump was offended about the stuff that was said about him. But it wasn't racism, which is what the OP is alleging, or that not being all verklempt over it is racist, or some other weird attempt at an equivalency. That's what I'm debating.

Feel like talking about that? :) hehe
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O M G
The above is classic projection, friend.

I don't need for you to explain what racism is and isn't. I made it clear that I know what Maher said was NOT racism but it IS equally offensive.

You don't agree with me... and I think the reason is because of your anti-Trump politics. If I am wrong, I apologize, and I am in a good mood, so stop with the condescending :bs

Move on... :peace
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

MrWonka said:
Maher is a white man. Clearly, he was not insulting all white people as he himself is a white person. His insults were directed at one individual, and that individual is a narcissist who parades around claiming to be gods gift to women to the point where he's so awesome he can get away with sexually assaulting them.

In comedy, there's a concept called punching up. A good comedian will always try to make fun of people who are more powerful than they are not less. Taking powerful people down a notch and trying to keep them from getting too full of themselves is one of its chief goals. Valerie Jarrett does not prance around acting like she's some kind of supermodel that should be on the cover of Vogue magazine. Jarrett is an intellectual with a degree from Standford University and an honorable public servant. To reduce her to a racial stereotype as if her looks are more important is disgusting and disgraceful.
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So Rosanne directs a comment to ONE person and you say she hates all black people? To a lady that isnt even black?? What the FFFFfff?
 
trixare4kids said:
Don't go away mad because your ego won't accept that I've a GD right to disagree with your defense of a pig racist, sexist, named Bill Maher.
Oh btw, "Get over it"
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You have a right to disagree with me? Who claimed you didn't?

It's that you aren't using your words, you aren't rebutting with reasons why I'm wrong, or reasons why you're right.

Disagree all you want, but you aren't rebutting anything, you're simply saying "nuh uhhh, you're a poopy-head".
Please comment more on me being "mad", and about my ego. That's personally **** that has no place in your posts.
 
Re: Why is it OK to call white people apes?

trixare4kids said:
O M G
The above is classic projection, friend.

I don't need for you to explain what racism is and isn't. I made it clear that I know what Maher said was NOT racism but equally offensive. You don't agree with me... and I think the reason is because of your anti-Trump politics. If I am wrong, I apologize, and I am in a good mood, so stop with the condescending :bs

Move on... :peace
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lmao...Trix, Trix, Trix...either we're having two different conversations here, or someone slipped me (or you) something over lunch. And I'm not condescending at all...just trying to figure out how this got so far off the rails, as again, I am arguing the OP, and you're spinning it into something else, for who knows what reason...lol...

I'm sorry, I don't wanna fight with you. Should I be more offensive, so you can stop making stuff up? Not sure I have enough demerit points available for that kind of fun...perhaps meet downstairs? lol... Good grief!
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I mean... If Rosaenne is getting fired for it.... Then its time to cancel Bill Maher. If you think its ok to call white people apes but not black people then you are admitting your own secret hidden racism that you think black people look like apes you racist little bastard!



And this was ON HIS SHOW!!! At least Rosaenne did it on her personal... Either fire Bill Maher or ur a hypocrite. (but we already know they are hypocrites)
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There is a good reason for this, but it's very uncomfortable for most. Society doesn't associate white people with apes. It does associate blacks with apes, which is why Barr had it far worse off, and why we think it's an insult to associate blacks with apes.

Change "ape" to "blue jay" and the insult disappears entirely, because it doesn't follow that blacks resemble blue jays.
 
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