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CNN contributor says Melania isn't culturally American

SheWolf said:
Wrong. I have seen black and white Americans show prejudice for foreign people and immigrants. This is nothing new.
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In Marquette Michigan in the Upper Penninsula, they used to pick on the Finns. Marquette is 99.9 white, and so are the Finlanders. I thought the whole thing was crazy as hell.
 
ajn678 said:
I do indeed. The same comment made about this lady would be considered racism.
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Damn. The right-whinge victimstance knows no bounds.
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn. The right-whinge victimstance knows no bounds.
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Right wing? I guess you have never heard a white person say that black people have different cultures and them being lambasted as a racist. Pretty common, in America at least.
 
Fishking said:
So, April Ryan, a contributor on CNN, said that Melania Trump isn't culturally American. There was no challenge by the CNN host as well. Now, I've been duly informed, ad nauseam, by the left that there is not really such a thing as American culture. That we are less of a melting pot but more like a fruit salad, meaning that there is no need for cultural assimilation and we can just have disparate cultures all living side by side.

If a conservative talks about American culture, and concerns over cultural differences with some immigrants then they are labeled as a xenophobe and bigot. So, is April Ryan also now a xenophobe and a bigot or is there an American culture that people should learn and assimilate to?

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OK, but that does not make her any less American. If a person is here over 1 generation that person is culturally American. If someone is brought to the US as a baby or slightly older and grows up in an American family/American society/American schools, than that person is also culturally American.

Someone who has not got her upbringing in America or from American parents is not culturally American but just as American as anybody else who has the US nationality.
 
ajn678 said:
Ironic that a black women would say something like this. Oh wait, I forgot she can't be racist. My bad.
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What does that have to do with race? Culturally American could just as well mean someone grew up in the American culture. Something this black lady was and Melania was not. Does not make her any less American (Melania that is) but from a cultural point of view she is from the Balkan/Slovenian.

Her child however is culturally American because he has never known any other culture/country than the USA.
 
Peter King said:
OK, but that does not make her any less American. If a person is here over 1 generation that person is culturally American. If someone is brought to the US as a baby or slightly older and grows up in an American family/American society/American schools, than that person is also culturally American.

Someone who has not got her upbringing in America or from American parents is not culturally American but just as American as anybody else who has the US nationality.
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I would partially agree with what you said. I think people can become culturally American as they assimilate. My overall point was that when this type of thing comes up from are right-leaning person, that left is quick to jump on the xenophobia/bigot wagon.

I'm basically holding this lady's comments to the same type of standard, though I don't necessarily disagree with her.
 
Funny how be!ng a b!tch is universal.

Maybe there is hope...
 
There is no need to attack Melania just as there was no need to attack Michelle Obama. But don't act surprised when it happens.

I think Melania has as much impact on me as does Vice President Pence's wife does. Being honest here, who really knows Pence's wife name without using Google?
I don't have a clue what her name is and that is the way it should be. Is it Jenny?
 
DiAnna said:
Personally, I think she knows exactly what kind of bully she married, and is subtly poking him with a stick in a manner that will irk the crap out of him, knowing full well that he cannot do a damned thing about it, lol.
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In fact, I personally think her choice of using Michelle Obama's materials in her public efforts is a dig at him, more than anything else. Also, the cyber bulling campaign is a direct hit against him!
 
Crosscheck said:
There is no need to attack Melania just as there was no need to attack Michelle Obama. But don't act surprised when it happens.

I think Melania has as much impact on me as does Vice President Pence's wife does. Being honest here, who really knows Pence's wife name without using Google?
I don't have a clue what her name is and that is the way it should be. Is it Jenny?
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All I know is that Pence calls her "Mother".
 
Praxas said:
She may be doing that but Trump is immune. In Trump's mind anyone who disagrees with him (no matter what) just validates his choice in his head no matter how bad the choice is. Many years back I knew a flat-earther who no matter what you showed him, was nothing but a government conspiracy in his mind and only validated what he thought was true. There are some people who are immune to the own stupid in their minds and Trump is one of those.
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That is known as the 'backfire effect'

The backfire effect is a name for the finding that, given evidence against their beliefs, people can reject the evidence and believe even more strongly
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There are a number of posters on this forum that have demonstrated this. Often they get accused of lying, but IMO, quite often it's the backfire effect, not lying.
 
DiAnna said:
Anyway, she carries herself with class and dignity as a representative of our WH, which is more than I can say for the pig she married, so I've got nothing whatsoever against her. :)
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I would much rather people discuss Donald Trump.. he's the one that people should be concerned about.

His older two sons and his eldest daughter and hubby too.
 
Fishking said:
I would partially agree with what you said. I think people can become culturally American as they assimilate. My overall point was that when this type of thing comes up from are right-leaning person, that left is quick to jump on the xenophobia/bigot wagon.

I'm basically holding this lady's comments to the same type of standard, though I don't necessarily disagree with her.
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I would have burned this lady to the ground if she said that Melania was not a real American, because Real American is an attitude and a belief and nobody has the right to claim that because people cannot look into someone's mind. I would blasted her because that is not something that anyone can make of another American citizen without a serious degree of evidence and that does not exist in Melania's case whatsoever.

If Bernie would be saying this I would have the same attitude but I do agree that a lot of American posters, especially on Facebook and Twitter do not have a single unbiased thought in their brain and they are dumb enough to voice those opinions on there daily, hourly even. Sadly that is the attitude in the internet age of partisan attitudes.
 
Fishking said:
So, April Ryan, a contributor on CNN, said that Melania Trump isn't culturally American. There was no challenge by the CNN host as well. Now, I've been duly informed, ad nauseam, by the left that there is not really such a thing as American culture. That we are less of a melting pot but more like a fruit salad, meaning that there is no need for cultural assimilation and we can just have disparate cultures all living side by side.

If a conservative talks about American culture, and concerns over cultural differences with some immigrants then they are labeled as a xenophobe and bigot. So, is April Ryan also now a xenophobe and a bigot or is there an American culture that people should learn and assimilate to?

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It's Erin Burnett, the Erin Burnett that referred to President Bush as a monkey.
 
RAMOSS said:
I would much rather people discuss Donald Trump.. he's the one that people should be concerned about.

His older two sons and his eldest daughter and hubby too.
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By validating and re-validating spousal relevance by-proxy they prolly think they can re-animate Hillary's long vacant corpse.
 
Fishking said:
So, April Ryan, a contributor on CNN, said that Melania Trump isn't culturally American. There was no challenge by the CNN host as well. Now, I've been duly informed, ad nauseam, by the left that there is not really such a thing as American culture. That we are less of a melting pot but more like a fruit salad, meaning that there is no need for cultural assimilation and we can just have disparate cultures all living side by side.

If a conservative talks about American culture, and concerns over cultural differences with some immigrants then they are labeled as a xenophobe and bigot. So, is April Ryan also now a xenophobe and a bigot or is there an American culture that people should learn and assimilate to?

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I don't even know what that means. Americans encompass so many cultures around the world, so how could anyone say that Melania isn't culturally American? She's the First Lady for Christ's sake.

I really like Melania (and First Lady's in general), so I really don't like it when media pundits take jabs at her. It's just not cool IMHO.
 
DiAnna said:
This is at least the second, and possibly the third thread that has been started on this "incident". I happened to see the segment live, and didn't think much about it because, well, it's true. So what? That's what America does, welcomes people from all over who are not "culturally American."

The woman came out of Slovenia, FFS, made a career for herself, speaks five ****ing languages, and ended up as FLOTUS. So "not culturally American" is really what people want to hang on their outrage hat racks? Really? :lol:
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I don't see how it's offensive either. The only context it could be offensive is if a person says things or people are foreign as an insult.
 
Fishking said:
Totally, but the comment does imply that there should be assimilation and that's what many conservatives believe. I was more pointing out that it seems that just the existence of the concept of an identifiable American culture is something that is not agreed to by many on the left and that saying otherwise makes you xenophobic.
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American culture varies from region to region all across America. Our politics is mostly a constant debate on American values, which is constantly evolving and changing. Immigrants bring customs with them, and that causes America to change as well. We celebrate St Patrick's Day. Our calendars reflect Jewish holidays etc. I don't see what there is to be upset about.
 
Fishking said:
It's not an outrage that's being pointed out by me. It's the contradiction that exists in her comment among fairly mainstream liberal ideology. I have zero outrages about it.
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She is foreign. Her accent is foreign. Her English is not the best. She is probably not going to assimilate more than she already has.
 
DiAnna said:
She used what she had to make certain she and her child (I doubt there will be another, lol) would be set up for life. She's almost 25 years younger than the Donald, and since she was born in a poor nation, not raised in the lap of luxury, I don't fault her for the choices she made.

I do empathize with her current situation, though. She did not bargain for this, and I guaran-damn-tee that she never, ever wanted it.
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It seems to me that she could have had more options, and not just Trump. I would be interested to know more about this, because I find it fascinating. She looks so unhappy despite all that luxury.
 
Praxas said:
I understand WHY she did what she did, it still doesn't make her choice in men great and I have no empathy for women who marry men for money and then get dragged through the mud when the men's infidelities are exposed. She knew what type of man she married and she now has to deal with all comes with that.

Again I state outside of her choice in men, I only have problems with her anti-cyber bullying campaign when her own husband a big offender of that. But I will not have empathy for her in regards to the man she chose to marry. She knew the man, risks, , ego, bullying and possibility of infidelity. I have no sympathy for that. It's like raising a wild bobcat and then feeling empathy for the owner when the bobcat goes wild.
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I have known a few gold diggers. They type of stuff they are willing to put up with for money is disturbing. I don't understand it at all.
 
DiAnna said:
Back then, she was a private citizen who was not protected from The Donald's wrath behind closed doors. Now she is! And I bet Trump hates that he has lost control over her because of the public (and secret service) scrutiny!
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How do you know he had control her before? He sounds like he left in NYC a lot and traveled, messed around with other women and stuff. I have always imagined he has NDA agreement with her, and the marriage contract must be really unusual with expectations and agreements placed on Melania. Aside from that, I think she might feel relieved being in the hospital instead if the WH with Trump.
 
Fishking said:
I would partially agree with what you said. I think people can become culturally American as they assimilate. My overall point was that when this type of thing comes up from are right-leaning person, that left is quick to jump on the xenophobia/bigot wagon.

I'm basically holding this lady's comments to the same type of standard, though I don't necessarily disagree with her.
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I disagree. She isn't going to assimilate more than she has. Her son will be more culturally American than her.
 
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