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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    So here's when the political science part of me can't get behind the "rabble rabble rabble" condemnation train.

    Is religion, gender, sex, age, class, etc a "qualification" for performing the job? Not at all.

    However, is it something that is a positive "qualification" for Campaigning and winning an election? Yes. Right along side "attractive", and "tall", and "fit". To paraphrase the big purple man; dread it, run from it, reality still arrives...and reality is that these kind of things DO affect the voting population. Not the left voting population, not the right voting population, but voters as a whole.

    If Cory Booker was white or fat, he's not getting the attention he's getting. If Mia Love is white or male, she's not getting the attention she's getting. If you think that's a bad thing, so be it; it's just the reality of politics and voting. Hell, if Bill Clinton was a Massachusetts governor instead of a southern one, I wouldn't have been surprised if he didn't get the nomination. These kind of things affect a candidates attractiveness towards a voting base, sometimes even more so than policy views.
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    It's an overarching institutionalized problem, not an individual problem. Those black liberals can't address the problems until the root of the problem is addressed. The war on drugs. A black mayor can't do **** about federal laws, or state laws. So nice try.
    Is that what you think? Interesting that many other places have decided to change their local policies and laws to remedy that situation and I’m expected to believe that you’re wholly unaware of this.
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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

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    Question: Would you support the US being held accountable for its war crimes, terrorism and genocides?
    Is that a “no”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtEx. View Post

    Baltimore's high murder rate is a consequence of the war on drugs,
    Then it stands to reason that NYC, with far less murder, prosecutes drug dealers less. Why deal in Baltimore and get murdered because of the war on drugs when one can deal drugs in NYC and have a more peaceful drug enterprise?

    With this logic, it seems that for Baltimore to improve, the war on drugs needs to lessen. In other words, a black mother tells her child in Baltimore: "It's not your fault for picking up that gun, there's a war on drugs. Your life will improve only when white people make all drugs legal."

    It's a crippling way to think. Imagine if I sat on my duff during the Obama years, waiting for Trump to "pass laws" to make my life better. Waiting for third parties or blaming third parties doesn't do an individual any good.

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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree that sex and ancestry aren't relevant to a candidate's qualifications. But I would disagree with the idea of not ever mentioning what makes this candidate different.

    The media never ignored that Mia Love is a black conservative woman, and they mentioned it. The media never ignored that Tammy Duckworth is handicapped, and they mention it. They never ignored that Barack Obama was black, and they mentioned it. Nothing wrong with mentioning facts that are part of the candidate's makeup. That doesn't mean the reporter is saying "Because of (insert fact about candidate here), this person is qualified to be (insert role here)".
    It is true that on a personal level, we take other factors into consideration when evaluating a candidate. When the press mentions Native American and woman over and over as part of Jordan's makeup, they are being both racial and sexual. I am against the press taking racial and sexual views in describing a candidate's makeup.

    My reply to the TheGoverness will delve further into why.

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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickeroo View Post
    It is true that on a personal level, we take other factors into consideration when evaluating a candidate. When the press mentions Native American and woman over and over as part of Jordan's makeup, they are being both racial and sexual. I am against the press taking racial and sexual views in describing a candidate's makeup.

    My reply to the TheGoverness will delve further into why.
    But again, rick, they didn't ever say that these personal attributes are "qualifications for governor". The article didn't say "the governor needs to be female" or "the governor needs to be a Native American" or "If you're female, you are qualified to be a governor".

    They reported on interesting facts about her. Not to me, but I am not a resident of that state and wouldn't vote for her anyway. In my state, our governor, who I voted for, is Chris Sununu, who is the son of John Sununu who was HW Bush's Chief of Staff, and he's also the brother of John Sununu Jr, who was one of our US Senators for a long time. That was mentioned repeatedly. And why not? It was even mentioned in some of our local newspapers that endorsed his opponent. Mentioning his familial relationship was factual, and if you're endorsing his opponent's candidacy, you don't mention personal facts about someone as a means of contradicting your own endorsement.

    I think if she wins, she'll be the first Native American governor. That's pretty interesting. Hell, I enjoyed reading about Nikki Haley being the first female governor of South Carolina and only the second Indian-American governor in our history. I never enjoyed those anecdotes and decide those were the reasons she was qualified to be governor. And when CNN mentioned those things when she was running (and obviously favoring her opponent), do you think they were deciding her race and sex were qualifications to be governor of SC?
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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    I agree with that sentiment. It's not necessarily a bad thing to focus on a candidate's ethnic heritage. Now, if you're using that as the sole, or main reason to vote for someone, then that would be a problem.
    I vehemently disagree that it's not necessarily a bad thing to focus on ethnic heritage when evaluating a candidate. When one race is advertised above others in the press on a national level (in this case, Native Americans), I'm guessing that the prevailing attitude may include voting for Jordan at least partially because she is of that race.

    This is wrong on two levels. First, the fact that she is of a certain race does not make her better than any other race (at least in theory), and should not be advertised as such on the national stage of CNN. It fosters racism.

    Second, if it's ok for liberals to consider race in voting (a racist practice), then it's also ok for Nazis to consider race in voting (a racist practice). Liberals are free to determine why Native Americans are superior to other races in the gubernatorial race, and others are free to determine why Native Americans, by virtue of their race, are inferior.

    Racial or racist sentiment by the media, even when disguised as a good deed (Isn't it nice we'll have the first Native American?) does much more harm than good.

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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But again, rick, they didn't ever say that these personal attributes are "qualifications for governor". The article didn't say "the governor needs to be female" or "the governor needs to be a Native American" or "If you're female, you are qualified to be a governor".

    They reported on interesting facts about her. Not to me, but I am not a resident of that state and wouldn't vote for her anyway. In my state, our governor, who I voted for, is Chris Sununu, who is the son of John Sununu who was HW Bush's Chief of Staff, and he's also the brother of John Sununu Jr, who was one of our US Senators for a long time. That was mentioned repeatedly. And why not? It was even mentioned in some of our local newspapers that endorsed his opponent. Mentioning his familial relationship was factual, and if you're endorsing his opponent's candidacy, you don't mention personal facts about someone as a means of contradicting your own endorsement.

    I think if she wins, she'll be the first Native American governor. That's pretty interesting. Hell, I enjoyed reading about Nikki Haley being the first female governor of South Carolina and only the second Indian-American governor in our history. I never enjoyed those anecdotes and decide those were the reasons she was qualified to be governor. And when CNN mentioned those things when she was running (and obviously favoring her opponent), do you think they were deciding her race and sex were qualifications to be governor of SC?
    I would have had to take a look at the CNN articles about Haley prior to the election. I would compare how they treated her race and sex with how they treat Jordan's in this article.

    Race, much more so than sex, is a dangerous road to go down - 80% of the danger is due to the press's manipulation of race, and 20% due to just the way humans are. That 20% will never go away. But the 80% can, and that is what I fight against. This article played up Jordan's race to the max. The message is that Jordan is special because of her race. Those that have low self esteem will get jealous, those that feel pity for Native Americans will think that her race makes her 'special', but the bad kind of special. I think it encourages low esteem for Natives, along the lines of "Look, Billy the Special Ed kid finally might get picked for the team".

    In other words, if we are to uphold high esteem for the Native race (like the high esteem we hold white people in), it should be no big deal that Jordan is running. Treat her as if she was white - at least at the CNN level.

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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickeroo View Post
    Then it stands to reason that NYC, with far less murder, prosecutes drug dealers less. Why deal in Baltimore and get murdered because of the war on drugs when one can deal drugs in NYC and have a more peaceful drug enterprise?

    With this logic, it seems that for Baltimore to improve, the war on drugs needs to lessen. In other words, a black mother tells her child in Baltimore: "It's not your fault for picking up that gun, there's a war on drugs. Your life will improve only when white people make all drugs legal."

    It's a crippling way to think. Imagine if I sat on my duff during the Obama years, waiting for Trump to "pass laws" to make my life better. Waiting for third parties or blaming third parties doesn't do an individual any good.
    Supply and demand, if the drug dealers leave an area for greener pastures, more will replace them to fulfill the demand. But that is basic common sense that any child could tell you.

    That is a drastic exaggeration that just exposes your ignorance.

    I don't need to imagine anything, what you did or did not do during the Obama years is not relevant to anything at all.

    No one is waiting on anything, if Conservatives were not selling us down the river for a buck, the many activists and politicians and the overwhelming majority of people that want to end the war on drugs would do so readily and easily.

    But no, you're right, let's do it the dumbest way possible, because it's more convenient for you and other white people...

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    Re: CNN thinks race and sex are qualifications for governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    Is that what you think? Interesting that many other places have decided to change their local policies and laws to remedy that situation and I’m expected to believe that you’re wholly unaware of this.
    yeah I'm not in the mood for your bull**** today man, we both know your full of **** on this and want to split hairs on individual points to draw attention away from the overall point. So please do me a favor and go argue with a wall somewhere. You'll have better luck.

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