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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but I think you make two mistakes here. First, the political and religious views of Chick-Fil-A owners are no one's business but their own. So long as they don't discriminate in their business they are acting as good Americans. You, in turn, are free to patronize their business or not for reasons that are entirely up to you; that's being a good American too.
    Second and more broadly, IMHO gay marriage (which I support, btw) is one of those issues (like abortion and capital punishment) that tests tolerance because it is too easy to demonize the other side. The fact that we hold our views for reasons that seem self-evidently moral and righteous to us does not mean our opponents do not as well.
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but I think you make two mistakes here. First, the political and religious views of Chick-Fil-A owners are no one's business but their own. So long as they don't discriminate in their business they are acting as good Americans. You, in turn, are free to patronize their business or not for reasons that are entirely up to you; that's being a good American too.
    Second and more broadly, IMHO gay marriage (which I support, btw) is one of those issues (like abortion and capital punishment) that tests tolerance because it is too easy to demonize the other side. The fact that we hold our views for reasons that seem self-evidently moral and righteous to us does not mean our opponents do not as well.
    The owners of Chick-Fil-A made it everyone’s business by incorporating it into their business model and leveraging its revenues to fund other anti-gay organizations. A spectator such as yourself may not understand, but “tolerance” means something different to those of us who pay the price when religious bigots gain a foothold. It does not extend to those who raise capital to fund efforts to render us second class citizens or worse.

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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The owners of Chick-Fil-A made it everyone’s business by incorporating it into their business model and leveraging its revenues to fund other anti-gay organizations. A spectator such as yourself may not understand, but “tolerance” means something different to those of us who pay the price when religious bigots gain a foothold. It does not extend to those who raise capital to fund efforts to render us second class citizens or worse.
    If they really are using their profits in the way you describe, it hasn't been very successful has it?
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they really are using their profits in the way you describe, it hasn't been very successful has it?
    Resting on the laurels of incremental victory is one the biggest mistakes a civil rights movement can make. Creeping religious bigotry cannot go unchallenged.

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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Resting on the laurels of incremental victory is one the biggest mistakes a civil rights movement can make. Creeping religious bigotry cannot go unchallenged.
    But you're alleging more than just religious bigotry. That will always be with us, after all. What you're saying is that Chick fil A is harming you, personally, by using its profits to promote bigotry. If that's so, they aren't very successful, given the history of gay rights over just the past couple of decades.
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But you're alleging more than just religious bigotry. That will always be with us, after all. What you're saying is that Chick fil A is harming you, personally, by using its profits to promote bigotry. If that's so, they aren't very successful, given the history of gay rights over just the past couple of decades.
    We have come far but there is still a long way to go. None of our past victories would have been possible nor will future victories be possible through passive tolerance and acceptance of the enemy. How successful they are depends largely on how willing we are to allow their bigotry and the organizations which promote it to exist and go unchallenged.

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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    I don’t give a flip about the religious views of business owners. From what I I have seen and read about Chik-fil-A they have exceptional quality of food and service for a fast food joint, are a good company to work for, and are one of the few popular chains that make it very affordable to obtain a franchise.

    But the company has supported anti-LGBT causes and THAT is bigoted. Just because one’s bigotry is supported by their religion doesn’t make it any less bigoted. So is it bigotry against a religion to be intolerant of the bigotry supported by said religion?

    Maybe. But if that is the case then I would say that bigotry in an of itself is amoral. It just depends on what you are bigoted against and why.
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The owners of Chick-Fil-A made it everyone’s business by incorporating it into their business model and leveraging its revenues to fund other anti-gay organizations. A spectator such as yourself may not understand, but “tolerance” means something different to those of us who pay the price when religious bigots gain a foothold. It does not extend to those who raise capital to fund efforts to render us second class citizens or worse.
    1. I have no idea what you mean by "incorporating it into their business model."
    2. Their donations to advocacy groups are the exercise of their rights as Americans. Just as are yours.
    3. No American is a "spectator" in a discussion like this, and you have no idea what "price" I may have paid. That's because it doesn't matter. Nothing in your past or mine gives either of us any special standing in this discussion.
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    On the one hand I can understand that the New Yorker wants to pay attention to their abysmal views on LGTBQ issues and that everybody should be free to decide for themselves whether or not this is a company they want to spend their money at. So from that point of view I do not have an issue with a newspaper calling attention to what they see as wrong behavior by a company but they should not say that something is too christian for New York, just like something can not be too jewish/muslim/agnostic/atheist/buddhist for New York or any other major capital/metropolis/big city in countries that value freedom of religion.

    So to say something is too christian is just too stupid of the New Yorker and maybe people will choose not to buy their paper anymore because it is too arrogant and ignorant of religious freedom in the United States/New York.
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    Re: Religious Bigotry at the New Yorker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    We have come far but there is still a long way to go. None of our past victories would have been possible nor will future victories be possible through passive tolerance and acceptance of the enemy. How successful they are depends largely on how willing we are to allow their bigotry and the organizations which promote it to exist and go unchallenged.
    They are not enemies. They are your fellow citizens exercising their rights as you exercise yours.

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