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Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives[W:58]

Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

soylentgreen said:
No it is not blame the weapon. The mayor is not creating anything new here. A ban on carrying weapons has always been in place in england.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives


Unlike america england does not proscribe to the idea that its citizens have a right to kill.
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Most if not all states have similar restrictions on what knives one can carry in public. I can only guess that the people tittering about "liberals" in this thread are completely unaware of that.



ie, MA:

(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.


M.G.L. c. 269 s. 10

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter269/Section10
 
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Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

Goshin said:
Considering how easy it is to improvise something stabby out of the environment, seems rather useless.
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Any prison guard could have told the Right Honorable Mayor that unquestionable fact - yet I feel it would not have mattered or changed his actions. We should look to this fine gentleman for where our future seems to be headed.
 
Oh you just wanted to be ****y? Okay

notquiteright said:
I se it in the posts above, I see it in your posts... :roll:
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For example?

notquiteright said:
If there was 'no shortage' then there would be dozens of bills in the pipeline IN AMERICA, the 2nd A would be under repeal, and the GOP would be a minority party out in three dot Idaho... :doh
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You clearly don't know the difference between "no shortage" and "the majority necessary for"

notquiteright said:
I know the 'gun' rubbers need to really ramp up the fear- this midterm is looking grim for the rabid right but it is getting silly now... :peace
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No, you really don't know anything of the such, you just have a need to be insulting because these types of laws are indefensible and you came here to poison the well.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Might as well outlaw beef too, since that stuff is so tough, you need a good knife.
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And chains saws, and table saws, any type of saw. Pointy things too. Anything pointy. Oh, and blunt objects so anything pointy or blunt.
 
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VanceMack said:
We do indeed have the right to self defense, and as there are 1.2 million documented violent crimes in the country and mindless ****head leftists care more about keeping felons out of prison than in prison, then its a sad reality that many people will be presented with a circumstance that might necessitate action.

Funny thing...you are ****ting yourself over Americans, in a thread about London, and a topic as inane as a knife ban because they are killing people there on the daily.

I think maybe you have a wee problem.
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No, all i am doing here is pointing out the absurdity of some americans in their desperate attempt to justify guns.

But you go ahead and make it personal. After all that is the pro gun approach. Attack the arguer and not the argument.

That you have so many violent crimes is a social issue not a gun problem. Same in england. And i care more about doing something about violent crime rather than your doing nothing but wanting the right to kill people.
 
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I always have my pocket knife on me. /shrug It's a handy tool for all kinds of stuff. (I carried a knife for work for so long I just got used to it I suppose.)
 
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Goshin said:
Considering how easy it is to improvise something stabby out of the environment, seems rather useless.
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The people of the UK are conditioned to believe Government can solve their problems.
 
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Mr Person said:
Most if not all states have similar restrictions on what knives one can carry in public. I can only guess that the people tittering about "liberals" in this thread are completely unaware of that.



ie, MA:

(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.


M.G.L. c. 269 s. 10
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It seems sensible to me.
I see no reason for people to carry what are obviously weapons. I use to carry a small pocket knife which came in handy when i lived in the country. Now i live in a town and have no need to carry such a device.
 
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Renae said:
The people of the UK are conditioned to believe Government can solve their problems.
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Have you actually seen anything about the uk government. obviously not if you think the people think that about their government.
 
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soylentgreen said:
One would have to ask the question why?

Are you a rugged outdoors type of community where a knife would come in handy. Or a city dweller where a knife would mean that you live in an area where you need attack or defend yourself from others?
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Perhaps he is a consumer who often opens boxes? Most people don't realize how useful a knife can be until they start to carry one, then they find themselves using it all the time.

Shopping and have to tie something to the roof but can't cut the cordage? Bam. Got a letter? Letteropener, bam. Got into a fender bender and your old bumber is interfering with the wheel and you need to cut part of it off? Bam.

soylentgreen said:
It seems sensible to me.
I see no reason for people to carry what are obviously weapons. I use to carry a small pocket knife which came in handy when i lived in the country. Now i live in a town and have no need to carry such a device.
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You have no need for some tool, so you have no problem with banning it for the people who do?

A bit like banning free speech because you have nothing to say, no?

Now a knife is a "device"?
 
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soylentgreen said:
Have you actually seen anything about the uk government. obviously not if you think the people think that about their government.
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if you allow your own government to disarm you to the point you can't have anything more dangerous than a fork or butter knife then there are two possibilities:

1. you have faith in that government to an almost terrifying degree(presuming you have ever picked up a history book).
2. you are a total idiot.

there can be no other conclusions to make.
 
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notquiteright said:
You live in England now???? :peace
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How is that even IMPLIED? No...I live in the US...and I dont know that I have seen a massive problem with people taking out their pocket knives and attacking one another. Its ****ing pathetic that leftists in the UK are to the point of knife bans.
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, all i am doing here is pointing out the absurdity of some americans in their desperate attempt to justify guns.

But you go ahead and make it personal. After all that is the pro gun approach. Attack the arguer and not the argument.

That you have so many violent crimes is a social issue not a gun problem. Same in england. And i care more about doing something about violent crime rather than your doing nothing but wanting the right to kill people.
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:lamo I dont need to justify anything. Thats the difference between us. You feel like a subject HAVING to justify your rights and freedoms. Thats...sad.

I quite agree. There ARE Social issues causing problems, not guns and knives. And yet, there you are, stomping about like a tough wee man doing your best to insult Americans over guns.

You have a wee problem.
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, all i am doing here is pointing out the absurdity of some americans in their desperate attempt to justify guns.
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Yet you've utterly failed to do so. If you need a justification to exercise a right, its not a right its a privilege at best.

The only desperate justifications I see are yours in defense of these senseless prohibitions. You're so bass ackwards you actually think the right to keep and bear arms = a right to kill, guess what, it isn't. Also, no one is justifying guns, we defend the right to own one, which implies so much more than mere ownership of one type of tool. But you being a subject, to your core, rather than a free person, will likely never understand that.
 
Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

“No excuses,” Khan tweeted. “[T]here is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law.”

Does that sound any different from the mindless rhetoric of the anti-gun leftists or their all too eager Neville's (you know...the 'gun owners' that really just believe in 'sensible' gun laws)?
 
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Spartacus FPV said:
For example? You clearly don't know the difference between "no shortage" and "the majority necessary for" No, you really don't know anything of the such, you just have a need to be insulting because these types of laws are indefensible and you came here to poison the well.
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For starters the title lists the religion of the Mayor... :roll:

Apparently no shortage to you are a few people, it would be like me claiming there is no shortage of people ready to end same sex marriage- the teeny tiny few do more FOR the rabid 'gun' rubbers than anything against them.... :roll:

Oh there are numerous reports and quotes about the right wing being in desperate search mode for anything to drive up the fear before the mid terms.

Point to where I defended any such law??? :roll:

The well was a poisonous sulfur well before I got here... :peace
 
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VanceMack said:
How is that even IMPLIED? No...I live in the US...and I dont know that I have seen a massive problem with people taking out their pocket knives and attacking one another. Its ****ing pathetic that leftists in the UK are to the point of knife bans.
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You comment on a country you don't have any real knowledge of, their murder rate is far below ours so there's that... ;)

What you don't know could fill a canyon but that's off topic....

What I've seen is most I work/shop/hang out with DON'T carry pocket knives- I'm a real minority in that... a 15 year old clip Gerber.

I didn't know there needed to be a 'massive problem' with stabbings before something needs to be done. But that dodges the biggest difference between the UK and here- firearms are soooo much easier to get in the good ol' USofA and we tend to go the easiest route and stabbing can be sooo much work... :peace
 
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JacksinPA said:
I carry a gravity knife & a center punch in my car, not for defense or offense, but for emergency escape after an accident when things like power windows no longer work.
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Doesn't matter why you have it anymore than it matters why anyone has a gun. It needs to be banned for the good of the public because the state says so.
 
Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

soylentgreen said:
Unlike america england does not proscribe to the idea that its citizens have a right to kill.
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Then why does London have more violent crime than New York City now?
 
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Tough town to be a chef:doh
 
Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

VanceMack said:
Pretty fricken pathetic. I dont think I personally know ANYONE that doesnt carry a pocket knife.
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Based on one of the earlier posts it looks mostly like switchblades, gravity knives, balisongs and the like. Personally I don't think any of those should be illegal - they are in NY mostly because 50s gang hysteria - but it doesn't look like they're talking about pocket knives and multitools
 
Re: Gun control? London’s Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan bans knives

soylentgreen said:
No it is not blame the weapon. The mayor is not creating anything new here. A ban on carrying weapons has always been in place in england.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives


Unlike america england does not proscribe to the idea that its citizens have a right to kill.
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Where is this "right to kill" in the Constitution? I wanna see it. I have a neighbor that just pisses me of and I have Constitutional rights. Show me where this right is.
 
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