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On the hiring and firing of Kevin Williamson

Harshaw said:
It's not even what he said. He said that he's against capital punishment, which is something he's said many times, but IF abortion is considered murder, and murder is an offense that should warrant the death penalty, then to be intellectually and morally consistent, it should be a capital offense.

He also said that if there is capital punishment, which he's generally against, then it should be an unambiguous punishment, and not an antiseptic medical procedure, hence, hanging, and when he said it, he was being somewhat Swiftian, and definitely sardonic.

From this, people are saying he wants to "hang women," some taking it to the point of accusing him of wishing to murder. But people do not care about honesty, and some rather relish being dishonest.
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Knowing Williamson's anti-capital punishment stance, makes his firing even more atrociously dishonest.
 
nota bene said:
Conservative writer Kevin Williamson was hired by The Atlantic last month and was fired this week. His hiring angered liberals; his firing has angered conservatives.
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It is as if we literally do not have enough soap opera and "reality" TV to entertain us sad Americans.

We have definitely become the Roman population of old who needed devouring lions and gladiators to help us through the boredom. As the most wealthy and powerful nation in history, we should be so very proud of ourselves.
 
Hatuey said:
Well, the premise is that this kind of speech is only unacceptable because it is coming from a conservative. At best, it makes the claim that the Atlantic isn't being tolerant of someone advocating for the hanging of women who have abortions. I want to know where this kind of speech would be tolerated. What bastion of free speech has people who would silently sit by and not disagree or disassociate themselves from this person.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.
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Yes, it wouldn't be tolerated anywhere but Breitbart.
 
OpportunityCost said:
How about the CEO of Twitter advocating civil war?
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I wish you would read instead of spreading BS. You're being very disingenuous. Jack Dorsey read an article and said "great"... From the article:
The best way to understand politics in America today is to reframe it as closer to civil war. Just the phrase “civil war” is harsh, and many people may cringe. It brings up images of guns and death, the bodies of Union and Confederate soldiers.

America today is nowhere near that level of conflict or at risk of such violence. However, America today does exhibit some of the core elements that move a society from what normally is the process of working out political differences toward the slippery slope of civil war. We’ve seen it in many societies in many previous historical eras, including what happened in the United States in 1860.
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So the article is in no way advocating violence of any kind. It talks about the polarization of the country to a degree that happened in our history. It later advocates for the dumping of the right-wing in American politics which is exactly what the right-wing did to left-wing politics, so where's the crime? We are now engaged in a Glorious Revolution: please read up on that before you comment.
 
I am a strong supporter of free speech. I believe no person should have to be afraid of saying what they believe. I may not agree with another's point of view but I would sure as heck fight for them to express it without repercussions. The real problem lies in so many today will not unless it meets their politically correct muster.

If things continue on this spiral downturn, if you have wrongthink determined by Progressives, you will not be allowed for long to make your living within any space the left has determined they own. They first took over academia while the sheeple were sleeping, then the media, then corporate and now the public square.

So you will bake that wedding cake, you will use the proper non-gender pronoun, and you will never say that what Planned Parenthood does is murder for hire, and if you do you should be punished.
 
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vesper said:
I am a strong supporter of free speech. I believe no person should have to be afraid of saying what they believe. I may not agree with another's point of view but I would sure as heck fight for them to express it without repercussions. The real problem lies in so many today will not unless it meets their politically correct muster.
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Free speech does not apply to employees of a private employer. :doh
 
calamity said:
Free speech does not apply to employees of a private employer. :doh
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Read my post again. There are those who do voice their opinions that face repercussions because If you have wrongthink, you will not be allowed for long to make your living within any space the left has determined your beliefs are not acceptable. The message being sent is you will bake the wedding cake, you will use the proper non-gender pronoun, and you will never say that what Planned Parenthood does is murder for hire, and if you should we are coming after you. That's exactly the message that is being sent by the Progressive left.
 
vesper said:
Read my post again. There are those who do voice their opinions that face repercussions because If you have wrongthink, you will not be allowed for long to make your living within any space the left has determined your beliefs are not acceptable. The message being sent is you will bake the wedding cake, you will use the proper non-gender pronoun, and you will never say that what Planned Parenthood does is murder for hire, and if you should we are coming after you. That's exactly the message that is being sent by the Progressive left.
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I guess you forgot to mention the football player who refused to kneel--but, since that was pressure from the Right, I can understand your intentional blind spot.
 
vesper said:
I am a strong supporter of free speech. I believe no person should have to be afraid of saying what they believe. I may not agree with another's point of view but I would sure as heck fight for them to express it without repercussions. The real problem lies in so many today will not unless it meets their politically correct muster.

If things continue on this spiral downturn, if you have wrongthink determined by Progressives, you will not be allowed for long to make your living within any space the left has determined they own. They first took over academia while the sheeple were sleeping, then the media, then corporate and now the public square.

So you will bake that wedding cake, you will use the proper non-gender pronoun, and you will never say that what Planned Parenthood does is murder for hire, and if you do you should be punished.
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So you think that what Williams was saying was fair in media and should be respected...
 
Harshaw said:
It's not even what he said. He said that he's against capital punishment, which is something he's said many times, but IF abortion is considered murder, and murder is an offense that should warrant the death penalty, then to be intellectually and morally consistent, it should be a capital offense.

He also said that if there is capital punishment, which he's generally against, then it should be an unambiguous punishment, and not an antiseptic medical procedure, hence, hanging, and when he said it, he was being somewhat Swiftian, and definitely sardonic.

From this, people are saying he wants to "hang women," some taking it to the point of accusing him of wishing to murder. But people do not care about honesty, and some rather relish being dishonest.
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Well wouldn't it have been better for all concerned if the man had just qualified his comments before he made them and then - toned them down to a mature level that sound like it had some merit?
 
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jet57 said:
I wish you would read instead of spreading BS. You're being very disingenuous. Jack Dorsey read an article and said "great"... From the article:

So the article is in no way advocating violence of any kind. It talks about the polarization of the country to a degree that happened in our history. It later advocates for the dumping of the right-wing in American politics which is exactly what the right-wing did to left-wing politics, so where's the crime? We are now engaged in a Glorious Revolution: please read up on that before you comment.
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Because who could think civil war would ever be peaceful. Maybe you and Dorsey think you can bull**** your way through a peaceful civil war, but that seems unlikely at best.
 
trixare4kids said:
Knowing Williamson's anti-capital punishment stance, makes his firing even more atrociously dishonest.
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Well, then why did he explode everybody's heads by saying patently idiotic things? The Atlantic has a 161 year history to protect: they did exactly what needed to be done.
 
jet57 said:
So you think that what Williams was saying was fair in media and should be respected...
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No. Not respected. But allowed to be able to say it without punishment? Yes.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because who could think civil war would ever be peaceful. Maybe you and Dorsey think you can bull**** your way through a peaceful civil war, but that seems unlikely at best.
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No, who would think that you would actually research something before blathering sophistry about it?


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jeezuz dude
 
OpportunityCost said:
No. Not respected. But allowed to be able to say it without punishment? Yes.
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The Atlantic is a 161 year old class act that doesn't need idiot teenage right-wing commentary on important issues. He got fired because he deserved it.
 
jet57 said:
No, who would think that you would actually research something before blathering sophistry about it?


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jeezuz dude
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It is lying bull**** to think a civil war would ever be bloodless. You have fun lying to yourself.
 
jet57 said:
The Atlantic is a 161 year old class act that doesn't need idiot teenage right-wing commentary on important issues. He got fired because he deserved it.
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Remember when dissent was patriotic, you know, anytime a progressive had a grievance against any conventional wisdom? He got fired because he stated something extreme about abortion and capital punishment. Careful, I can see your couched demonization trying hard to justify your stance.
 
jet57 said:
So you think that what Williams was saying was fair in media and should be respected...
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His name is Williamson, he's been a strong advocate against abortion for years. He has written on the subject countless times. The Atlantic hired him knowing he was controversial to be an opinion writer. When it was announced that Williamson was going to work for the Atlantic it was Media Matters that delved into years of tweets, podcasts, articles, interviews of Williamson and dug up this particular tweet and started the **** on social media with a well organized hit to the Atlantic for hiring the guy. That's the MO of Media Matters. Use social media where only 7% of the US population engage on twitter and start some **** using their army of progressives to raise Hell. It was because of that response the Atlantic fired him just after two weeks there.

Now it doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with Williamson. What is going on with targeting anyone who dare have an opinion not in sync with Progressive groupthink or deemed politically incorrect is wrong. That is unacceptable.
 
vesper said:
His name is Williamson, he's been a strong advocate against abortion for years. He has written on the subject countless times. The Atlantic hired him knowing he was controversial to be an opinion writer. When it was announced that Williamson was going to work for the Atlantic it was Media Matters that delved into years of tweets, podcasts, articles, interviews of Williamson and dug up this particular tweet and started the **** on social media with a well organized hit to the Atlantic for hiring the guy. That's the MO of Media Matters. Use social media where only 7% of the US population engage on twitter and start some **** using their army of progressives to raise Hell. It was because of that response the Atlantic fired him just after two weeks there.

Now it doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with Williamson. What is going on with targeting anyone who dare have an opinion not in sync with Progressive groupthink or deemed politically incorrect is wrong. That is unacceptable.
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Media Matters gets to the truth about people and events because "media DOES matter": that'a their job. If the guy wasn't a bozo he'd still have his job.
 
jet57 said:
Media Matters gets to the truth about people and events because "media DOES matter": that'a their job. If the guy wasn't a bozo he'd still have his job.
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Media Matters manipulates the media to suit a progressive agenda. They rarely get to the truth of anything because that is not their goal.
 
jet57 said:
Media Matters gets to the truth about people and events because "media DOES matter": that'a their job. If the guy wasn't a bozo he'd still have his job.
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Media Matters is a progressive organization funded by some really rich leftists and their goal is to push a Progressive agenda which often means using tactics to take down opposing views.


Media Matters is probably one of the worst violators and oppressors of Constitutional rights for all people.
 
vesper said:
Media Matters is a progressive organization funded by some really rich leftists and their goal is to push a Progressive agenda which often means using tactics to take down opposing views.


Media Matters is probably one of the worst violators and oppressors of Constitutional rights for all people.
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Then go out there and research their stuff and prove it wrong. Prove it to be "leftist lies" instead of just trashing it. What they dug up on Williamson was true and correct wasn't it. He got fired because it was true and correct didn't he.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Media Matters manipulates the media to suit a progressive agenda. They rarely get to the truth of anything because that is not their goal.
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Then show us all how astute you are and go out research their material and prove it to be wrong.
 
jet57 said:
Then go out there and research their stuff and prove it wrong. Prove it to be "leftist lies" instead of just trashing it. What they dug up on Williamson was true and correct wasn't it. He got fired because it was true and correct didn't he.
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He got fired because of the pressure the army of leftists organized by Media Matters put on the Atlantic.

But the other side has clearly responded in kind but you wouldn't know that because Media Matters doesn't report it. Jeff Goldlberg editor in chief of the Atlantic has a couple of black eyes for succumbing to the Media Matters social media pressure cooker tactics they engage in on a regular basis.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/06/kevin-williamson-atlantic-jeffrey-goldberg-217831
 
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