• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Fox News being sued

Middleground

Middleground

2-Lipped Beaver!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 15, 2005
Messages
28,133
Reaction score
15,017
Location
Canada's Capital
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Progressive
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.



The family of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against Fox News, one of the network's reporters, and a wealthy Texas businessman over their roles in the publication of a baseless conspiracy theory about Rich's 2016 death.
Click to expand...

Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
 
Middleground said:
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.





Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
Click to expand...

I hope the killers and the DNC or the Clintons who hired them, are tried in a court of law and jailed for murder to. :2wave:
 
Middleground said:
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.





Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
Click to expand...

They retracted the story. Isn't that what ALL media outlets do? Publish, then retract. If it's ok for CNN and ABC, it should be ok for Fox.
 
Middleground said:
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.





Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
Click to expand...

I have to admit, the story is interesting and its one of the only times I have seen CNN actually submit credible information in a while.

But this is still the same BS we have been seeing on both sides in the last few years. Its okay to run a baseless, slander piece on someone. Just so long as that person is aligned with your opposition.
 
Middleground said:
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.





Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
Click to expand...

I'm not a huge fan of lawsuits, but if there was ever one that was deserved, it's this one. Good for his family, and i hope they take Fox to the cleaners for that. I wish Hannity had been named in the suit too. He pushed that theory on his ignorant viewers like there's no tomorrow - and sadly, many of them actually believed it.

Butowsky told CNN Tuesday night that he did not "understand this lawsuit at all."

"This whole thing has caused unbelievable damage to my life and my family," he said. "And the idea that somebody has capitalized is ridiculous. It just doesn't make any sense to me."


Glad to hear that. I hope "this whole thing" ruined his life forever. It's what he deserves.
 
Middleground said:
Fox News has always had an agenda but it has gotten worse in the last few years. IMO, they are moving from "legitimate" news service and closer to Brietbart, Daily KOS and other fringe news services. What they did to the Rich family is disgusting and I hope they have they lose big time.





Family of slain Democratic staffer Seth Rich sues Fox News - Mar. 14, 2018
Click to expand...

They haven't been legitimate for decades. They created the entire "liberal biased media" fiction while being the biased , POS organization just propagandizing gullible conservatives
 
Just imagine everyone would sue because of misleading stories. Mmmm, something to think about.
 
holbritter said:
They retracted the story. Isn't that what ALL media outlets do? Publish, then retract. If it's ok for CNN and ABC, it should be ok for Fox.
Click to expand...

Oh, come on now, you know you guys would be having a little party if this were CNN or ABC...and if it were possible to bring a similar case against CNN or ABC, do you not think it would have been now if they could?

Given the lack of journalistic integrity in your country at the moment, in any and every direction at different points along the way, anything that drives accountability is a good thing.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
They haven't been legitimate for decades. They created the entire "liberal biased media" fiction while being the biased , POS organization just propagandizing gullible conservatives
Click to expand...

We have to be honest and admit that they ALL have bias. That would be a good starting point.
Most news has turned into sensationalized gossip, few exceptions noted. They are out for ratings and they cater to what they thing their listeners want to hear. So let us not single out one over the other.
 
holbritter said:
They retracted the story. Isn't that what ALL media outlets do? Publish, then retract. If it's ok for CNN and ABC, it should be ok for Fox.
Click to expand...
When most outlets retract stories, there's two major differences: 1) They don't run stories about conspiracy theories regarding someone's death for political purposes, continuing to blast it over the airwaves for days and days and days, despite the family's begging that they not. 2) Usually they don't run stories where the "reporter" literally makes up things his/her source never said and when they do, they fire the reporter and apologize. Fox News has done neither.

In a three-way taped conversation that took place a few hours after the Rich story ran, Butowsky and Zimmerman conceded Wheeler had never said what her story claimed.
Click to expand...
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/5511...to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story

If you cannot see the major differences here, then I don't know what to tell you. And hey, maybe you can find a story where another media outlet did something roughly the same as Fox News did here...if so, I'll be happy to look at it and say they should be sued as well. But for you to cast all news agencies retractions in the same light as what Fox News did here, which was deliberately publish a piece they KNEW was untrue, promote it as a conspiracy theory for days/weeks as political propaganda, which dealt with a person's MURDER...then that's something you probably ought to look into the mirror and decide what kind of person you are.

What Fox News did was reprehensible. This wasn't a mistake, this was a deliberate and false political hit piece on Clinton (and a political job to defend Trump) and exploited the murder of a man to do so.
 
Lovebug said:
Just imagine everyone would sue because of misleading stories. Mmmm, something to think about.
Click to expand...

Except, of course, this is not merely a misleading story. This is exploiting a person's death , making a false narrative/conspiracy theory up for political purposes.
 
My guess is that the case will be dismissed. I feel badly for the parents, but a high-profile death is going to be cause for media speculation.
 
Lovebug said:
Just imagine everyone would sue because of misleading stories. Mmmm, something to think about.
Click to expand...
This wasn't a misleading story, this was a blatant lie. The "reporter" made up quotes the source never said, as admitted by the reporter. Sean Hannity pursued the Seth Rich conspiracy theory for days/weeks in an attempt to defend Trump and attack Clinton.

This was pure political propaganda. This wasn't a misleading story, this was a DELIBERATE attempt at gaining political power, at the expense of a man who was murdered.
HowardBThiname said:
My guess is that the case will be dismissed. I feel badly for the parents, but a high-profile death is going to be cause for media speculation.
Click to expand...
My guess is there will be a settlement and Fox News will pay quite a bit to make this story disappear out of the news.
 
OlNate said:
Oh, come on now, you know you guys would be having a little party if this were CNN or ABC...and if it were possible to bring a similar case against CNN or ABC, do you not think it would have been now if they could?
Click to expand...
people have no expectations of cnn or abc.

Given the lack of journalistic integrity in your country at the moment, in any and every direction at different points along the way, anything that drives accountability is a good thing.
Click to expand...
This isn't to drive accountability. We have utter dog **** journalism but we are also a very litigious people as well.
 
HowardBThiname said:
My guess is that the case will be dismissed. I feel badly for the parents, but a high-profile death is going to be cause for media speculation.
Click to expand...

As already pointed out, this wasn't media speculation, it was flat out lying.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well fox has a right leaning bias so its not. It's called a double standard.
Click to expand...

When CNN and ABC screw up, they retract promptly. They don't leave it up for a week and continue to flog it. It's not a double standard.
 
americanwoman said:
What evidence do you have that the DNC or Clintons are involved?
Click to expand...

My theory is that it's the same people who did this:

"I came home and found a beautiful, one-year old healthy cat dead on the deck of my house, and the only way to get to my deck of my house is through my house. It has no access to the yard."

----Kathleen Willey (previously assaulted in the Oval Office by a close confidant of both Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Einstein)
Click to expand...
 
holbritter said:
They retracted the story. Isn't that what ALL media outlets do? Publish, then retract. If it's ok for CNN and ABC, it should be ok for Fox.
Click to expand...

It's one thing to report a story incorrectly. That happens.
Fox ran it into the ground. Rinsed it, embellished it some more and ran it over and over

But if you're suggesting that's what Fix did was a simple midtake, then don't expect to ever be taken seriously.
 
Slyfox696 said:
When most outlets retract stories, there's two major differences: 1) They don't run stories about conspiracy theories regarding someone's death for political purposes, continuing to blast it over the airwaves for days and days and days, despite the family's begging that they not. 2) Usually they don't run stories where the "reporter" literally makes up things his/her source never said and when they do, they fire the reporter and apologize. Fox News has done neither.


https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/5511...to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story

If you cannot see the major differences here, then I don't know what to tell you. And hey, maybe you can find a story where another media outlet did something roughly the same as Fox News did here...if so, I'll be happy to look at it and say they should be sued as well. But for you to cast all news agencies retractions in the same light as what Fox News did here, which was deliberately publish a piece they KNEW was untrue, promote it as a conspiracy theory for days/weeks as political propaganda, which dealt with a person's MURDER...then that's something you probably ought to look into the mirror and decide what kind of person you are.

What Fox News did was reprehensible. This wasn't a mistake, this was a deliberate and false political hit piece on Clinton (and a political job to defend Trump) and exploited the murder of a man to do so.
Click to expand...

:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
Praxas said:
As already pointed out, this wasn't media speculation, it was flat out lying.
Click to expand...

The part they're claiming was a lie -- that the investigator had evidence that Rich was in contact with Wikileaks -- will probably be passed off as just a misquote.

It was Julian Assange who implied that Seth Rich was one of the contributors to Wikileaks and that his sources feel as though Rich might have been killed for that.

Knowing that -- the assertion by FOX isn't actually a lie, because there is a source that is making that connection -- so it's probably going to be put down to just a misquote.

If this is upsetting to Rich's parents, they could always try suing Assange, I suppose, but that's where the assertion actually came from so the assertion, itself, isn't a lie.

Here's what Assange had to say if you're interested.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom