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The Gap Between Reality and the Press Line on Trump is Huge

Glen Contrarian said:
Care to point out any other presidency that has had so many senior staff members either quit, fired, and/or under indictment (including guilty pleas) in the first fourteen months of the presidency?

No?

Then yes, the White House is in chaos. You're just so blindly enamored of Trump - and so filled with disgust and spite against liberals - that you simply can't allow yourself to acknowledge it.
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OR maybe, just maybe, it's you that is so filled with disgust and spite against Trump you see things that aren't there. Someone mentioned to me the other day that Obama had four Secretaries of Defense and five Chiefs of Staff. Does the imply his WH was in chaos? I think Trump reached a little deeper into the private sector than his predecessors and some had difficulties with the transition.
 
Bullseye said:
OR maybe, just maybe, it's you that is so filled with disgust and spite against Trump you see things that aren't there. Someone mentioned to me the other day that Obama had four Secretaries of Defense and five Chiefs of Staff. Does the imply his WH was in chaos? I think Trump reached a little deeper into the private sector than his predecessors and some had difficulties with the transition.
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Really? "Someone mentioned to you"? Is that your standard for proof? If so, perhaps you should learn to base your beliefs on demonstrable fact and documented history, rather than on what "someone mentioned to you".

From Fortune:

In the first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, the White House has seen more turnover than any previous administration, according to Kathryn Dunn-Tenpas, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has tracked White House turnover rates for more than three decades.

In 2017, 34% of President Trump’s staff was either been fired, resigned, or reassigned. Trump’s first year turnover rate is exactly double that of Reagan’s 17% in 1981, which is the next highest in the past 40 years.

That number also dwarfs that of the previous three presidents: Obama’s first year turnover was 9%, while Bush’s was 6%, and Clinton’s 11%. Nevertheless, the study does not compare the size in number of each president’s staff, meaning that the absolute numbers may not be quite so dramatic.

Dunn-Tenpas told The Wall Street Journal that not only is the Trump administration percentage “unprecedented,” but “the seniority of people leaving is extraordinarily high.” In particular, she highlighted that while first years tend to have some “missteps on staffing,” in this case, “it’s a president with no experience in government and people around him who also had no experience.”

The problem is that Trump doesn't want anyone around him who tells him "no" or "you're wrong" and has even referred to the media as an "enemy of the people". If you don't see what the problem with that is, perhaps you should Google "demagogue" and see who else had such tendencies.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? "Someone mentioned to you"? Is that your standard for proof? If so, perhaps you should learn to base your beliefs on demonstrable fact and documented history, rather than on what "someone mentioned to you".
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I thought this was a conversation not a disposition. Not trying to "prove" anything just making an observation
Glen said:
From Fortune:

In the first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, the White House has seen more turnover than any previous administration, according to Kathryn Dunn-Tenpas, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has tracked White House turnover rates for more than three decades.

In 2017, 34% of President Trump’s staff was either been fired, resigned, or reassigned. Trump’s first year turnover rate is exactly double that of Reagan’s 17% in 1981, which is the next highest in the past 40 years.

That number also dwarfs that of the previous three presidents: Obama’s first year turnover was 9%, while Bush’s was 6%, and Clinton’s 11%. Nevertheless, the study does not compare the size in number of each president’s staff, meaning that the absolute numbers may not be quite so dramatic.

Dunn-Tenpas told The Wall Street Journal that not only is the Trump administration percentage “unprecedented,” but “the seniority of people leaving is extraordinarily high.” In particular, she highlighted that while first years tend to have some “missteps on staffing,” in this case, “it’s a president with no experience in government and people around him who also had no experience.”

The problem is that Trump doesn't want anyone around him who tells him "no" or "you're wrong" and has even referred to the media as an "enemy of the people". If you don't see what the problem with that is, perhaps you should Google "demagogue" and see who else had such tendencies.
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So your argument is that someone from Fortune was told by some policy wonk at a left-wing think tank told you so.
 
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Bullseye said:
I thought this was a conversation not a disposition. Not trying to "prove" anything just making an observation
So your argument is that someone from Fortune was told by some policy wonk at a left-wing think tank told you so.
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1. I think you meant "deposition", not "disposition".

2. I said what I did about Trump because of having had an actual narcissist working for me for a couple years in the Navy - watching Trump is so much like watching that particular individual. Everything was about him - he was never, ever wrong (no matter how obvious it was), and the quickest way to anger him was to tell him "no" (we had more than a few shouting matches). The guy was very smart and good-looking and normally very personable...and he knew it. But if someone was in his way (like I was), then, well, in my case he actually tried to (wrongly) end my Navy career. It didn't work, but what really got my attention, what really helped me to grasp his mindset, was on the day he left. He was getting kicked out for repeatedly lying to the command, and his lies - like Trump's - were painfully obvious, but he continually claimed he never lied, that they were all out to get him. On that day he left, I reached out to shake his hand and wish him well (which was the professional thing for me to do and say), he wished me well, too...and I'm very sure he meant it. It was as if he had never tried to end my career.

And that's just it - I realized that when he tried to end my career, he wasn't doing it because he hated me, but simply because I was in his way...and when he wished me well, I realized that in his eyes, I should not have been offended that he tried to end my career, because I should have understood that I was in his way, and in his eyes that was all the justification he needed...and in his eyes, I should have understood that. To him, it was all "nothing personal"...because I was not him, and he was the only one that mattered, that ever mattered.

The only difference I see between him and Trump is that the one who worked for me didn't evince much in the way of malice...but Trump certainly does.

I hope you never, ever have to work around a real narcissist...because if you do, if you tell him things that will build up his ego, he'll treat you like gold (as long as he thinks you're of value to him), but if you ever tell him 'no' or tell him he's wrong, watch out - he will see you as a threat to himself and/or his future plans, and he will do what he feels necessary to get you out of the way. Personally, I just got lucky that the guy didn't tend more strongly towards the malicious. That's not the case with Trump.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
1. I think you meant "deposition", not "disposition".
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I did

Glen said:
2. I said what I did about Trump because of having had an actual narcissist working for me for a couple years in the Navy - watching Trump is so much like watching that particular individual. Everything was about him - he was never, ever wrong (no matter how obvious it was), and the quickest way to anger him was to tell him "no" (we had more than a few shouting matches). The guy was very smart and good-looking and normally very personable...and he knew it. But if someone was in his way (like I was), then, well, in my case he actually tried to (wrongly) end my Navy career. It didn't work, but what really got my attention, what really helped me to grasp his mindset, was on the day he left. He was getting kicked out for repeatedly lying to the command, and his lies - like Trump's - were painfully obvious, but he continually claimed he never lied, that they were all out to get him. On that day he left, I reached out to shake his hand and wish him well (which was the professional thing for me to do and say), he wished me well, too...and I'm very sure he meant it. It was as if he had never tried to end my career.

And that's just it - I realized that when he tried to end my career, he wasn't doing it because he hated me, but simply because I was in his way...and when he wished me well, I realized that in his eyes, I should not have been offended that he tried to end my career, because I should have understood that I was in his way, and in his eyes that was all the justification he needed...and in his eyes, I should have understood that. To him, it was all "nothing personal"...because I was not him, and he was the only one that mattered, that ever mattered.

The only difference I see between him and Trump is that the one who worked for me didn't evince much in the way of malice...but Trump certainly does.

I hope you never, ever have to work around a real narcissist...because if you do, if you tell him things that will build up his ego, he'll treat you like gold (as long as he thinks you're of value to him), but if you ever tell him 'no' or tell him he's wrong, watch out - he will see you as a threat to himself and/or his future plans, and he will do what he feels necessary to get you out of the way. Personally, I just got lucky that the guy didn't tend more strongly towards the malicious. That's not the case with Trump.
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Ok, believe what you want.
 
trixare4kids said:
Remember this is the same Chuck Todd who told us Timeline Of Trump-Russia Events "Is Now Evidence" Chuck Todd is part of the "resistance" against anything Trump.
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Nobody gets more informed listening to poor Chuck Todd:
Here's is his spot on analysis about 2 weeks before the election, good ole chuck in his glory days

Meet the Press - October 16, 2016

Republicans feared that Trump's troubles would metastasize and take out down ballot Republicans threatening the party's hold on
the Senate and perhaps even the House. But we have a new indication of just how dire things have become for Trump. In our new
NBC News Wall Street Journal poll out right now Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump in a four-way race by ten points among registered voters,
47/37. If you limit it to just likely voters, check this out. Clinton's lead actually grows to 48/37.


MEET THE PRESS

OCT 23 2016, 12:24 PM ET

does she go for a big win, a landslide? Does she try to quell the talk of a rigged election by pushing hard into red states
like Utah, Georgia, and Arizona, sensing an opportunity for the biggest electoral victory since the last time a Clinton was on the ballot?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? "Someone mentioned to you"? Is that your standard for proof? If so, perhaps you should learn to base your beliefs on demonstrable fact and documented history, rather than on what "someone mentioned to you".

From Fortune:

In the first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, the White House has seen more turnover than any previous administration, according to Kathryn Dunn-Tenpas, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has tracked White House turnover rates for more than three decades.

In 2017, 34% of President Trump’s staff was either been fired, resigned, or reassigned. Trump’s first year turnover rate is exactly double that of Reagan’s 17% in 1981, which is the next highest in the past 40 years.

That number also dwarfs that of the previous three presidents: Obama’s first year turnover was 9%, while Bush’s was 6%, and Clinton’s 11%. Nevertheless, the study does not compare the size in number of each president’s staff, meaning that the absolute numbers may not be quite so dramatic.

Dunn-Tenpas told The Wall Street Journal that not only is the Trump administration percentage “unprecedented,” but “the seniority of people leaving is extraordinarily high.” In particular, she highlighted that while first years tend to have some “missteps on staffing,” in this case, “it’s a president with no experience in government and people around him who also had no experience.”

The problem is that Trump doesn't want anyone around him who tells him "no" or "you're wrong" and has even referred to the media as an "enemy of the people". If you don't see what the problem with that is, perhaps you should Google "demagogue" and see who else had such tendencies.
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What’s it like to wake up angry, spend your day obsessing over Trump and Fox News, go to bed pissed off and then live
the same bitter cycle day after day? Sounds like a real party.
 
LowDown said:
One of the memes that the news media is selling is the idea that the Trump White House is in chaos, that Trump feels besieged on all sides and is tearing his hair out, and so on. This was illustrated by Chuck Todd's intro to a segment with Commerce Secretary Wilber Ross on NBC.



Asked about the President's state of mind, Ross said:



It seems to me that it's the news media that's consumed with anger, erratic, feeling besieged, and lashing out irrationally at the President.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...d-tariffs-because-his-consuming-anger-mueller
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WHat a joke, someone in the Trump admin that lies constantly says something, he, that must be true over all the actual facts. You hacks don't even try. Sorry, the facts are the Trump administration is a disaster. The constantly changes and contradictions. Not filling a lot of positions. His constant unhinged tweets show the reality.

His admin lies on a daily basis, so why would anybody believe them when everything else points to what a disaster his admin is?
 
What is it about right wingers that makes them proud of complete incompetence? The GOP used to be a party filled with experts and professional politicians with skills. Now they accept any warm body, any outburst, any action of any type blindly in some form of mass hypnosis where a person would accept anything at all as long as their tribe did it. We are entering a zone of complete disconnect from reality, Orwell could not have predicted it any more accurately.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Care to point out any other presidency that has had so many senior staff members either quit, fired, and/or under indictment (including guilty pleas) in the first fourteen months of the presidency?

No?

Then yes, the White House is in chaos. You're just so blindly enamored of Trump - and so filled with disgust and spite against liberals - that you simply can't allow yourself to acknowledge it.
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and you're so filled with disgust and spite against TRUMP - that you simply can't allow yourself to acknowledge it.
 
This is an awesome paragraph:

There was, I like fondly to imagine, a different course that might have been taken here. It is just possible, I suppose, that members of my profession could have exercised their reasoning faculties to decide what in the administration was good, what was bad, what was unremarkable or indistinguishable from what any modern president would do, what was painfully idiotic, what was, perhaps, evil. We chose not to exercise this responsibility. Instead we decided to indulge in our live-action roleplaying fantasies about being brave selfless journos taking on a mean demagogue because we love the Constitution so much.
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And an awesome close:
Pretending that anything the president says or does is bad because he is the one saying or doing isn't just bad journalism. You might as well be wearing a MAGA hat and whooping about the Wall.
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Why Trump is more popular than ever

The rest of the piece is weak, mostly Trump hater servicing, but still....
 
LowDown said:
For a White House that's in chaos they have been amazingly effective -- regulations cut, judges confirmed, taxes reformed, and now trade policy enacted.

Go on and believe that Trump's White House is in chaos. While you are distracted by nonsense he is handing you your heads.

A few of things Trump did recently that nobody noticed because they were distracted by the nonsense:

=Dept. of Education boosted charter schools and cut reporting requirements.

=Moved on a number of issues related to trade, not just steel and aluminum tariffs.

=More EPA regulations cut, this time on methane emissions.

=Closed the carried interest loophole beloved by money managers.

And some Democrats are predicting that Trump will win in 2020 by a landslide.
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Why do you think privatizing education is a good thing??
You must not like clean air or water either.
Why do some teachers need to have 3 jobs to make ends meet??
This is Trump.

Wrong for America
 
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