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While the .223 can easily penetrate 1/4 inch of A36 plate steel at 100 yds. It is so small that it cannot provide a clean kill of large game. Which is why it is not allowed. It is just too damn small. I can't hunt elk with my .357 Mag either. I doubt you'd like to be shot with one.

LOL talk about not me know what Im talking about, I just posted a LONG explanation of the difference between calibers and the reason why the 223 is ineffective. IT has nothing to do with its size. But the effects of Yaw at impact as well as fragmentation. YES it does NOT provide a clean kill of large game... but it has nothing to do with size. and all to do with Yaw and Fragmentation....

Actually Jet if I may provide so info.

1) As I stated many times, the AR platform is a common platform, for comfort, familiarity and safety manipulation. the AR platform being a common platform in American, is suitable for general use then just giving an AK47 or Famas to an american again out of familiarity.

2) The AR is not the issue of hunting, the Caliber/Round is the issue. the 223 round was a tumbling round that is NOT or may not be suitable for hunting. The round itself tumbles and cause greater interior damage thus destroying valuable meat and edible areas of potential game. The Humane thing is to use proper "Hunting" rounds that will penetrate while retaining the flesh for consumption. And also being a quick and effect way of hunting the animal (quick effective kill).

3) 223 round in its design was initially design to incapacitate and take a war fighter out of the fight.

4) AR Platforms have drastically changed. the ability to switch caliber easily to use a proper hunting round has made the AR platform MUCH cost efficient then buying multiple firearms. The training curve as well as the familiarity is now blended as you can use the same rifle for multiple situations. Where a bolt action hunting rifle lacks the versatility of this.

5) Again the ACTUAL ROUND is of concern to be honest NOT the actual platform. You now have the option from going from the traditional 223 round, to a 7.62x39, 300blk,6.8spc, 6.5 grendal, or simple hunting rounds like the .25/45 sharp. these rounds are much more capable and effective for Hunting than the 223 55gr ammo.

THUS the AR platform again, can be a great effective hunting rifle with the applicable caliber. You then do not have a learning curve of carrying and understanding multiple firearm variants, you can train with one firearm only and use it for many different "equatable" reasons.



But lets face it it sounds like you are SOOOO scared of an AR, probably lack of education, ability to handle as well as responsibility to handle as your post reflect your ignorance about the firearm....
 
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LOL talk about not me know what Im talking about, I just posted a LONG explanation of the difference between calibers and the reason why the 223 is ineffective. IT has nothing to do with its size. But the effects of Yaw at impact as well as fragmentation. YES it does NOT provide a clean kill of large game... but it has nothing to do with size. and all to do with Yaw and Fragmentation....

Let us not oversimplify, either.

Yaw and fragmentation at impact are a function of bullet weight and construction.

You may know what you're talking about, but you are not telling the whole story.
 
Let us not oversimplify, either.

Yaw and fragmentation at impact are a function of bullet weight and construction.

You may know what you're talking about, but you are not telling the whole story.

Absolutely, BUT we are talking about the AR/ 223 round. As per my post there are "HUNTER" specific rounds available to the AR platform, but may require a barrel or bolt change, BUT it can still be used in the BASIC of M16/AR/M4. design.

I did highlight in my caption post the effective hunter design rounds that FIT the AR plateform especially now the new .25/45 sharp round so in NO way am I misleading. IT right there in the WHOLE post.
 
You shouldn't trust the Chicken Noodle News (CNN).
 
Nope, on a range the Range Master is in charge of everyone, including Generals, in this case especially with generals that need a whole lot of instruction.

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California. NORTHERN California, yet.

L O FREAKING L!!! I'm sure they'll get those pesky hogs under control.

"Hey Dude......was that a hog?"

"I think so, Dude.....it was blue and really cool."

"Did you shoot it?"

"I forgot my gun, Dude......I'm hungry. Let's go get some pancakes."

"And bacon."

"Right on, Dude."

You have no clue. The central valley of California is as conservative as Texas. You can drive I-5 for hours and find nothing on the dial but country music. California is like three entirely different countries depending on where you are, but you wouldn't know that because you are not educated about such things. All you know is Kalifornia.
 
Ever heard of varmint shooting, or feral hogs, or AR's chambered in larger rounds?

Of course, a .223 would be a great prairie dog round in a better action and barrel. If, and it is a far off if, I wanted an AR, it would be in.308. Much more effective for just about anything. But still better shot from a superior rifle.
 
LOL. Yes move the goal post 1/4 A36 Plate steel. Sure the 22lr will potentially be defeated, but thats not what we are talking about. How many people walk around with a 1/4inch A36 steel plate on a daily basis? If not why not carry a plate carrier with AR500 and you dont have to worry about 223 as well.

22lr is a .22" 40gr projectile moving at 1250fps
223 is a .224" 55gr projectile moving at 2900fps.... IT dont matter at 100 yards if and when it hits soft tissue.

With that I know for a fact, with my 10/22 LR I could be more deadly with anything within 100 yards of me, absolutely NO recoil, I have can lay an extreme amount of rapid shots, the 10rd magazine's are small as well as the 30rd hot lips magazines, AMMO is much lighter and inexpensive, meaning I can carry a brick of 500 and still weigh less then 2 full magazines of 30rds.

So the 10/22 is effective if USED in the wrong manner. YES it is as deadly....

YOU dont know what you are talking about "Son"....... LOL....GTFOH

I agree with much of what you said. I also believe that a 22LR can be an effective self defense weapon. With a 4X scope, I have no doubt I can hit a moving target inside 100 yds. I acutally prefer my old Fieldmaster pump though. Maybe because I have shot it for 50 years or maybe because I can break skeet with it at 50 yards with the stock open sights.
By the way, thanks for helping with my argument of why the hell do you need an AR for self defense?
 
You have no clue. The central valley of California is as conservative as Texas. You can drive I-5 for hours and find nothing on the dial but country music. California is like three entirely different countries depending on where you are, but you wouldn't know that because you are not educated about such things. All you know is Kalifornia.

I know that Northern California is worried about those hogs digging up those precious marijuana plants.

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I agree with much of what you said. I also believe that a 22LR can be an effective self defense weapon. With a 4X scope, I have no doubt I can hit a moving target inside 100 yds. I acutally prefer my old Fieldmaster pump though. Maybe because I have shot it for 50 years or maybe because I can break skeet with it at 50 yards with the stock open sights.
By the way, thanks for helping with my argument of why the hell do you need an AR for self defense?

for some scenarios is the best weapon available. Its why so many police departments issue it or full auto versions. are you going to tell me that there aren't situations where the AR is the best choice?
 
Ya' gotta pay attention if you want to keep up with a conversation.

You were having an conversation............hmmmm, must have missed it, my bad.
 
I agree with much of what you said. I also believe that a 22LR can be an effective self defense weapon. With a 4X scope, I have no doubt I can hit a moving target inside 100 yds. I acutally prefer my old Fieldmaster pump though. Maybe because I have shot it for 50 years or maybe because I can break skeet with it at 50 yards with the stock open sights.
By the way, thanks for helping with my argument of why the hell do you need an AR for self defense?

Ive never stated that you need an AR for "self Defense" in your value of Self Defense

I see self defense in different levels. Personally I have different firearms for different reasons.

MY AR is NOT my personal HOME defense weapon of choice. My AR is my right to have an AR, with the potential Terror threat, potential invasion, or potential tyrannical government. While the likelyhood in my life time is low, I ire on the side of caution and the right to have one. I will retain it to be prepared.

Secondly as I have mention the commonality and the ability to be familiar and safe with this existing weapon is a personal choice. While I would love a FN2000 or a Kriss Vector, I have NEVER operating one so a whole new learning curve and having to go out and shoot it enough to be safe and accurate with it will take time. THE AR platform I have already many hours and rounds down range with it allowing me to be safer and more precise to limit collateral damage.

It serves EXACTLY the usage I intend it for. I have a 10/22 rifle and a 22 pistol for other uses, so the AR is not the end all be all for me. BUT its NOT more or less dangerous than my 22LR
 
Nope; the general knows exactly what he's talking about, you obviously don't and you don't like the results.

That's - how simple it is.

No.. he doesn't.. he has no clue..

It has nothing to do with the results.. he simply demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the AR 15.

Just like you do.
 
No.. he doesn't.. he has no clue..

It has nothing to do with the results.. he simply demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the AR 15.

Just like you do.

(chuckle)

Can't prove 'em wrong eh?

I get that
 
Actually, Let's rise the price of AR's to $500K. No gun ban then.

right after anti gun posters must pay 50000 dollars every time they want to post some stupid anti gun idiocy on this board
 
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