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CNN Claims Father Of School Shooting Hero May Have Altered Email To Fuel “Fake News” Charges

SouthernDemocrat said:
By a publicly traded company, no, not legally.
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So the answer is yes, yes they can. you made it sound like the header was proof of something. Being that you claim to be in IT, it is interesting how you implied that the headers can't be easily changed, when in fact they can.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You can't fake the email headers. That is the point. CNN did not say "here is the original email text", they said "here are the original email headers".
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You can't? what stops one from changing headers? How do you know those are the real headers? Do you have a link to the actual headers?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Any reporting about Koi fish is silly. Nice deflection. I don't see what's in it for CNN to lie about this. This means they are literally dragging their name through the mud.
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SERIOUSLY? A student voices his opinion against their narrative, busts them and gets all this attention from other media networks, and you think they have nothing to gain by defending themselves? please. I don't know who's lying, and I'd like to see more students corroborate this, but please. This is the same CNN that tracked down and threatened to dox a reddit user they didn't like over a GIF. https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html. OF COURSE they have something to gain! They've proven to be highly reactive and that's something they would do.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
well you go on and believe liars. I won't.
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So much for looking at both sides of the issue. You automatically say CNN is wrong without even considering the motive the kid's father could have for calling CNN Fake News. Hmmm. Doesn't that sound more plausible than some nonsensical conspiracy theory about faking headers?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
SERIOUSLY? A student voices his opinion against their narrative, busts them and gets all this attention from other media networks, and you think they have nothing to gain by defending themselves? please. I don't know who's lying, and I'd like to see more students corroborate this, but please. This is the same CNN that tracked down and threatened to dox a reddit user they didn't like over a GIF. https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html
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I said I don't see why CNN would lie. I didn't say CNN shouldn't defend themselves.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
So much for looking at both sides of the issue. You automatically say CNN is wrong without even considering the motive the kid's father could have for calling CNN Fake News. Hmmm. Doesn't that sound more plausible than some nonsensical conspiracy theory about faking headers?
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I don't know the father, I don't have a history of him being hostile and lying as CNN does. Show me evidence of lying, and I'll acknowledge it.


I'm not saying CNN is wrong. I'm saying I don't believe them at face value, they are not trust worthy.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't know the father, I don't have a history of him being hostile and lying as CNN does. Show me evidence of lying, and I'll acknowledge it.


I'm not saying CNN is wrong. I'm saying I don't believe them at face value, they are not trust worthy.
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Then again, I point you to the article in the OP. CNN has submitted two statements calling this man a liar.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You can't fake the email headers. That is the point. CNN did not say "here is the original email text", they said "here are the original email headers".
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yeah? The cnn header shows a sent email and the haab shows a received header. There is no discrepancy there.
 
holbritter said:
yeah? The cnn header shows a sent email and the haab shows a received header. There is no discrepancy there.
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A header also shows the original text of the email, formatting, encryption signatures and so on.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
If he thinks CNN is fake news, then he could go on any number of networks to explain his actions. If he goes on to Fox News just to bash CNN, well you have your answer right there.
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So you are speculating about nonsense. Somehow to you fox is less believable than cnn.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
well you go on and believe liars. I won't.
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...tagon-plan-military-parade.html?highlight=cnn
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...al-harassment-capitol-hill.html?highlight=cnn

What you meant to say is that you don't believe anything that you don't like, but you will believe everything that you do. You go around using links from trash sources like New York Post then you use links yourself from reputable sites like CNN, then later on when they report something you don't like you call them out as untrustworthy. And it just happens to always be decided right along your ideological divide. How convenient, lol.
 
roughdraft274 said:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...tagon-plan-military-parade.html?highlight=cnn
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...al-harassment-capitol-hill.html?highlight=cnn

What you meant to say is that you don't believe anything that you don't like, but you will believe everything that you do. You go around using links from trash sources like New York Post then you use links yourself from reputable sites like CNN, then later on when they report something you don't like you call them out as untrustworthy. And it just happens to always be decided right along your ideological divide. How convenient, lol.
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You should cry some more.


CNN has a proven track record of blatant lies, so when it's they claim that someone else is lying I tend not to take their word for it. You can pout all you want but the fact remains, CNN, whether I use them or not on occasion, lies.


Do you disagree?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you are speculating about nonsense. Somehow to you fox is less believable than cnn.
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I'm talking about the man's motives. Something you don't seem capable of doing. If the man goes on to Fox News to bash CNN and since he has already called CNN Fake News, sends out fake emails to Fox News and others calling CNN Fake News. I think we can easily establish a pattern here. Even if he doesn't go on Fox News.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm talking about the man's motives. Something you don't seem capable of doing. If the man goes on to Fox News to bash CNN and since he has already called CNN Fake News, sends out fake emails to Fox News and others calling CNN Fake News. I think we can easily establish a pattern here. Even if he doesn't go on Fox News.
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Does CNN lie?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You should cry some more.


CNN has a proven track record of blatant lies, so when it's they claim that someone else is lying I tend not to take their word for it. You can pout all you want but the fact remains, CNN, whether I use them or not on occasion, lies.


Do you disagree?
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You claimed you don't believe "liars". You used those "liars" and other media that has lied before as sources. That's not my fault buddy. I get that it's a pain in the ass to be honest when you are trying to do nothing but score political points. Maybe you should reevaluate your purpose of debating.

As for the sources, I bet every MSM source, blog, newspaper, radio talk show in existance has gotten something wrong or had someone that worked for them that either screwed up or did something dishonest or altered something to make it more salacious than it really was. And for that reason, we know that anything that is reported by anybody on earth *could* be wrong. Right now you want to cast that wide net over CNN because it works for you right now. And tomorrow when they report something that you like you will forget about that net.

In reality if you are truly concerned about the simple truth you must evaluate all claims against the history of the person making the claims (including the company and the individual reporter), the claim they are making and how significant/outlandish it is, the impact of such reporting. For example, if a reporter widely known as honest and trustworthy reports that Trump is golfing this weekend then we can be fairly certain he's going to be golfing. If a reporter widely known as honest and trustworthy is reporting that Trump is looking in to plans to blow up the moon because he thinks that aliens live on it, we can be fairly certain that they are wrong unless they provide us incredibly strong evidence for such an outlandish and silly claim. Everything has to be evaluated on an individual basis. And if there is a source that is just so biased, like a gossip rag etc, that it can't be trusted for even mundane facts, then I have no problem dismissing them out of hand. My problem is when people dismiss all reporting that they disagree with and accept all reporting from that exact same source that they approve of.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Why don't you want to discuss the motives of the father for doctoring fake emails?
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You really have to ask? He doesn't debate facts. Never has never will. Just shoot his point down and move on. An expression about not giving food to tree dwelling creatures with bright colored hair seems apt here.
 
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