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MSNBC likens Trump CPAC speech to Chavez,Castro, Putin & Ahmadinejad[W:72]

Grim17 said:
Wow... It's unbelievable that so many people, including yourself, lack the ability to understand the written word.
My issue is MSNBC incorporating partisan political opinion into hard NEWS coverage... aka, political bias by the mainstream NEWS media. .
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Wait what?

Is your issue that they injected opinion into their news show, or that they are showing bias, aka "systematic emphasis of one particular point of view in a way that contravenes the standards of journalism"? If bias, that would be hard to show from using one cherry-picked reference. You mix the two in that rambling, kind of like Trump's CPAC speech where he rambled and lied like we see in authoritarian regimes.

I'm not sure you're aware, but journalism sprinkled with opinion has been the staple for what... decades? Even Associated Press uses it now. You're like 10 years late, and you're apparently biased against the liberal-lean outlets using it and not the right (esp.Fox!) being even more obvious in their melding the two.

This faux outrage is kind of funny though, with Trump crapping on the oval office desk every day, you're mad about someone using a cinnamon air freshener instead of "unscented". It's just not believable.
 
Re: MSNBC likens Trump CPAC speech to Chavez,Castro, Putin & Ahmadinejad

Blkdirt Farmer said:
Other wise we will be a nation of no laws.
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That has been the case since your terrorist beginnings, starting with the founding terrorists.
 
Somerville said:
You keep posting about "bias" and "opinions" and even "lies" from the MSNBC talking heads but you haven't actually laid out for your readers the words from Ruhle and Velshi which would support your assertions.
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I only did so on the very first post of this thread... All you need to do is press the play button on the embedded video. If you're not sure how to do that, consult the website "YouTube",

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Mach said:
Wait what?

Is your issue that they injected opinion into their news show, or that they are showing bias, aka "systematic emphasis of one particular point of view in a way that contravenes the standards of journalism"? If bias, that would be hard to show from using one cherry-picked reference.
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Injecting a partisan political opinion into news coverage is one way in which bias is displayed.

I can't believe that needed to be explained to you.

I'm not sure you're aware, but journalism sprinkled with opinion has been the staple for what... decades?
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I take it you approve then? I personally like to form my own opinion based on the facts. I don't need, nor do I want, the news media telling me or anyone else what opinions they should have about the events of the day.

That's precisely the reason that when I choose to watch a news broadcast, I tune into Special Report. They present the news objectively for people like myself who don't need their opinions fed to them. You should try it sometime.

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Grim17 said:
I expect this kind of over-the-top rhetoric from far left pundits and progressive kooks, but not from hosts of mid-day news programs.

I'm sorry folks, but that was nothing short of disgraceful. This wasn't some political pundit appearing as a guest on Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, or some other prime-time opinion show, this was on a morning news program. Every single person employed by MSNBC, from top executives, to janitors, should be ashamed and embarrassed. At minimum, MSNBC should issue an apology and reprimand Ali Velshi for his vitriolic, disrespectful display. [FONT=arial, sans-serif]


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I don't know why you would be surprised morning noon or night of partisan insaneness over the top replies on that network. That is the way they roll.
 
Grim17 said:
Injecting a partisan political opinion into news coverage is one way in which bias is displayed.
I can't believe that needed to be explained to you.
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And yet if they inject opinion in a fair and non-biased way, it's not bias. So again, it's too different concepts, and you claim both but appear to believe they are the same.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you?

So again Grim17, which is it? Is it the BIAS you doth protest, or the opinion? It's not a trick question, I'm asking you to tell me what you mean, because what you wrote is conflicting, as I clearly and nicely pointed out. Because if it's bias, one anecdote doesn't evidence bias. If it's opinion, then as I pointed out opinion is in all outlets formats now, including associated press (!).

I take it you approve then? I personally like to form my own opinion based on the facts. I don't need, nor do I want, the news media telling me or anyone else what opinions they should have about the events of the day.
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So you critque them all equally, or are display bias against MSNBC here because it was picked up by right-wing rags that pushed it out as part of their daily anti-democrat/pro-trump blitz?

That's precisely the reason that when I choose to watch a news broadcast, I tune into Special Report. The present the news objectively for people like myself who don't need their opinions fed to them. You should try it sometime.
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Wait, you turn to FOX news for the unbiased, un-opinionated news? Oh Grim. Special Report isn't as bad a the rest of the network though, so that's a start. To get balanced though, you'd need to watch some left lean to equal that out. I mean, if no bias is your goal.

Did Special Report really cover Vish's coverage of Trump's CPAC? Or are you saying you got that news somewhere else?
 
After I asked for "words" or quotes from the MSNBC pundits which could be seen as bias or opinions, this was Grim's response
Grim17 said:
I only did so on the very first post of this thread... All you need to do is press the play button on the embedded video. If you're not sure how to do that, consult the website "YouTube",

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Here are Grim's words from the OP
I expect this kind of over-the-top rhetoric from far left pundits and progressive kooks, but not from hosts of mid-day news programs.

I'm sorry folks, but that was nothing short of disgraceful. This wasn't some political pundit appearing as a guest on Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, or some other prime-time opinion show, this was on a morning news program. Every single person employed by MSNBC, from top executives, to janitors, should be ashamed and embarrassed. At minimum, MSNBC should issue an apology and reprimand Ali Velshi for his vitriolic, disrespectful display.
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Please note - not a single quote from Velshi or Ruhle. In other words, Grim has asserted the two were "over the top" in their 'attack' on the President but he can't actually provide us with the words. Oh, I did watch the video, which is why I can say yes, the two commentators did say some bad things about the president's speech, including the fact that there were at least 31 lies told during the babbling. The biggest one was his claim that 'his' tax cuts were the biggest in history - they weren't
 
Mach said:
And yet if they inject opinion in a fair and non-biased way, it's not bias. So again, it's too different concepts, and you claim both but appear to believe they are the same.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you?
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LMAO... My statement was factual.

Injecting a partisan political opinion into hard news coverage is displaying bias. I don't know how else I can say it.

So again Grim17, which is it? Is it the BIAS you doth protest, or the opinion?
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The opinions expressed in the video on post #1 was an example of biased news coverage. Political opinions have no business being included in hard news coverage.

Those particular opinions I found to be highly inappropriate, but whether or not others see it that way is irrelevant because it still constitutes biased news coverage.


So you critque them all equally, or are display bias against MSNBC here because it was picked up by right-wing rags that pushed it out as part of their daily anti-democrat/pro-trump blitz?
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I don't like biased news coverage period. I don't care what side it's biased toward.


Wait, you turn to FOX news for the unbiased, un-opinionated news? Oh Grim. Special Report isn't as bad a the rest of the network though, so that's a start.
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Special Report is the least biased, most centrist nightly network news program available. When they report on a story with political ramifications, they do so with balance giving equal time to both sides of the isle. They also report all the important news, not just the news that favors one particular ideology the way the networks so often do.

To get balanced though, you'd need to watch some left lean to equal that out. I mean, if no bias is your goal.
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That's where you're wrong. Special Report is balanced, where the other network news programs often times are not.

I've watched them all extensively over the last 5 decades and know very well what they have to offer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that the network news programs are left wing propaganda, but far too often they either present stories in a way that's skewed in favor of the political left, or they ignore certain stories all together based on their political ramifications. Special Report doesn't do that. They give equal time to both sides of the isle and go out of their way to report stories objectively and free from opinion.

Did Special Report really cover Vish's coverage of Trump's CPAC? Or are you saying you got that news somewhere else?
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Of course not.... I clicked a link to that video from Drudge.

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My observation was a tad different. He reminded me of Mussolini strutting around the podium.
 
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