NPR Host Compares ICE with Nazi Gestapo

Maria Hinojosa, an NPR host who covers Latino issues for the publicly-funded station compared officers for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to agents of the Gestapo, Nazi Germany’s secret police, in an appearance on MSNBC on Friday.

At first criticizing President Trump for his offensive comments about immigrants in the Oval Office on Thursday, Hinojosa pivoted to immigration enforcement as a whole.

“When the president says this, basically, ‘Take them out,’ that is what the community is saying, ‘This is fearful for us. This is the Gestapo on us,’” she told MSNBC’s Ali Velshi. “The troops on the ground of ICE, they’re ready to swing into action.”

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MSNBC host Ali Velshi then flew into spin control, where he practically asked Hinojosa to correct herself, but she refused. Its all on video, in the link below.

How would Holocaust survivors feel knowing that these idiots like Hinojosa are 'respected journalists' who think illegal immigrants have it as bad as Jews did under the Gestapo? Pure ridiculousness.

https://michaelsavage.com/2018/01/12/npr-host-compares-ice-to-gestapo/

When Victim Culture metastasizes....

truthatallcost said:

MSNBC host Ali Velshi then flew into spin control, where he practically asked Hinojosa to correct herself, but she refused. Its all on video, in the link below.

How would Holocaust survivors feel knowing that these idiots like Hinojosa are 'respected journalists' who think illegal immigrants have it as bad as Jews did under the Gestapo? Pure ridiculousness.

https://michaelsavage.com/2018/01/12/npr-host-compares-ice-to-gestapo/

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Seeing as I have only seen a few limited cases were someone who didn't turn out to be an illegal was affected by ICE, was actually detained. They ended up being released later in the day, or the next morning. This little spat at fear mongering isn't really going to change anyone's mind in Trump's base. However I do know more liberal members of my office, who are quickly getting tired of crap like this.

However, seeing these so called journalist continued lack of introspection. I am rather certain that they are not going to change their tune, anytime soon.

She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.

she told MSNBC’s Ali Velshi. “The troops on the ground of ICE, they’re ready to swing into action.

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You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice. You know many get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US. Probably really hard to shoot dogs, flash bang babies and batter immigrants while you've got a raging hard-on the entire time.

Oborosen said:

This little spat at fear mongering isn't really to change anyone's mind in Trump's base.

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Honest question looking for a serious answer. Is there ANYTHING that could ever make Trump's loyal base turn on him? What action could he do, or what could be pointed out about him and his administration that would make you guys actually consider not supporting him? The way I see it there really are no limits. You will support everything he does and worship the ground he walks on without condition. He could literally burn the constitution and piss on the ashes and you'll cry "More, more!"

RabidAlpaca said:

She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.



Honest question looking for a serious answer. Is there ANYTHING that could ever make Trump's loyal base turn on him? What action could he do, or what could be pointed out about him and his administration that would make you guys actually consider not supporting him? The way I see it there really are no limits. You will support everything he does and worship the ground he walks on without condition. He could literally burn the constitution and piss on the ashes and you'll cry "More, more!"

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Well, unfortunately breaking the law brings with it a whole plethora of problems. I feel for these people, but its their choice to cross that line and when these men need to do their jobs. This is merely a link of those causalities feeding on one another.
It still is not a good sign of how this woman is trying to sell what it is she is slinging. Because these thin veiled and idiotic attempts to link the Trump administration with some form Nazi-ism is getting rather old.

My best offer, is that if the people who are merely here illegally can apply and get an expedited entrance exam of some sort. That will be used to approve them for citizenship. Illegal and criminal however, get no chance. I don't care how minor the charges are aside from being in the country illegally. But we have seen far too many times that if they have broken the law before, that its all too possible for them to do it again.

RabidAlpaca said:

She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.



You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice. You know they get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US.



Honest question looking for a serious answer. Is there ANYTHING that could ever make Trump's loyal base turn on him? What action could he do, or what could be pointed out about him and his administration that would make you guys actually consider not supporting him? The way I see it there really are no limits. You will support everything he does and worship the ground he walks on without condition. He could literally burn the constitution and piss on the ashes and you'll cry "More, more!"

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Once you have decided that those who dont agree with you are inferior people you can be pretty damn sure that you are no longer capable of hearing us.

Hawkeye10 said:

Once you have decided that those who dont agree with you are inferior people you can be pretty damn sure that you are no longer capable of hearing us.

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Are you referring to yourself dehumanizing immigrants as inferior? I don't consider anybody "inferior", that must be the kind of word that pops in your head when you hear these terrible stories.

Oborosen said:

Well, unfortunately breaking the law brings with it a whole plethora of problems. I feel for these people, but its their choice to cross that line and when these men need to do their jobs. This is merely a link of those causalities feeding on one another.
It still is not a good sign of how this woman is trying to sell what it is she is slinging. Because these thin veiled and idiotic attempts to link the Trump administration with some form Nazi-ism is getting rather old.

My best offer, is that if the people who are merely here illegally can apply and get an expedited entrance exam of some sort. That will be used to approve them for citizenship. Illegal and criminal however, get no chance. I don't care how minor the charges are aside from being in the country illegally. But we have seen far too many times that if they have broken the law before, that its all too possible for them to do it again.

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I think Trump and his administration have done a fine job linking themselves with nazism all by themselves. The OP took a quote out of context then added a bunch of his own BS on top. Clearly people are going to be emotional while they're being hunted by people who despise their very existence.

Second, immigrants have a LOWER violent crime rate than Americans as a whole, so your invention of fake facts to suit your narrative is complete nonsense. No, "too many immigrants" didn't commit crimes and that's why this is happening, it's happening because many Americans like yourself are deeply passionate about the skin color, culture, religion and values of your neighbors so you attack other groups.

RabidAlpaca said:

Are you referring to yourself dehumanizing immigrants as inferior? I don't consider anybody "inferior", that must be the kind of word that pops in your head when you hear these terrible stories.

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When has that ever happened?

You absolutely have made the claim that Trump supporters are inferior people.

Hawkeye10 said:

When has that ever happened?
You absolutely have made the claim that Trump supporters are inferior people.

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When? You have a quote? Are you incapable of talking about the actual thread instead of making up **** I never said?

I'll make it easy for you so you can get back to the topic:

Most hardcore Trump supporters are degenerates who hate America, its constitution, and everything our nation stands for and was built on.

That's my opinion as a free American. Now back to the topic, and maybe be a little more creative than these lazy one liners.

RabidAlpaca said:

When? You have a quote? Are you incapable of talking about the actual thread instead of making up **** I never said?

I'll make it easy for you so you can get back to the topic:

Most hardcore Trump supporters are degenerates who hate America, its constitution, and everything our nation stands for and was built on.

That's my opinion as a free American. Now back to the topic, and maybe be a little more creative than these lazy one liners.

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And your opinion indicates that you are not capable of listening, which means that you will not learn.

You also have failed at civility.

Hawkeye10 said:

And your opinion indicates that you are not capable of listening, which means that you will not learn.

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Oh look, another lazy, off-topic one-liner! I knew you weren't really capable of engaging the adults here. Move along please.

RabidAlpaca said:

She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.

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She's not right -- she's a flipping moron.

The Gestapo performed street executions and hunted down innocent Jews, sending them to concentration camps where the vast majority were murdered.

Unlike the Jews, the illegals have violated our immigration laws, and like all criminals, they are the ones responsible for having to always look over their shoulders.

ICE doesn't execute them in the streets as the Gestapo did to Jews who were hiding, or steal all their belongings. ICE detains them and then, after judicial process, may deport them -- safely.

Anyone who compares ICE to the Gestapo was not paying attention during History class.

It's a shame that people this this woman are either too stupid to understand what they're saying - or, even worse -- think Americans are too stupid to know the facts behind such a ludicrous comparison.

In a fair and just society, criminals should be looking over their shoulders and worrying about when they'll be caught for their illegal acts.



You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice. You know many get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US. Probably really hard to shoot dogs, flash bang babies and batter immigrants while you've got a raging hard-on the entire time.



Honest question looking for a serious answer. Is there ANYTHING that could ever make Trump's loyal base turn on him? What action could he do, or what could be pointed out about him and his administration that would make you guys actually consider not supporting him? The way I see it there really are no limits. You will support everything he does and worship the ground he walks on without condition. He could literally burn the constitution and piss on the ashes and you'll cry "More, more!"[/QUOTE]

HowardBThiname said:

She's not right -- she's a flipping moron.
The Gestapo performed street executions and hunted down innocent Jews, sending them to concentration camps where the vast majority were murdered.
Unlike the Jews, the illegals have violated our immigration laws, and like all criminals, they are the ones responsible for having to always look over their shoulders.
ICE doesn't execute them in the streets as the Gestapo did to Jews who were hiding, or steal all their belongings. ICE detains them and then, after judicial process, may deport them -- safely.
Anyone who compares ICE to the Gestapo was not paying attention during History class.
It's a shame that people this this woman are either too stupid to understand what they're saying - or, even worse -- think Americans are too stupid to know the facts behind such a ludicrous comparison.
In a fair and just society, criminals should be looking over their shoulders and worrying about when they'll be caught for their illegal acts.

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This is factually incorrect. In Nazi Germany, the Jews broke many laws just by existing and being who they are. It's no different here, their only crime is their existence. It's ICE's job to hunt human beings and shuffle them off, often violently to a place where they may face extreme persecution and death. As I pointed out, nobody is going to say they're identical, but the similarities are certainly there. Our dear leader is sending his brown shirts out on a mission to remove all the undesirables. Sounds familiar.

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She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.

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The Gestapo murdered Jews, you can't deny that. ICE isn't murdering illegals.

Furthermore, Jews didn't break any crime that a reasonable person would consider punishable by transport to a death or labor camp. Illegal immigrants did however break laws, but they aren't being shipped to their deaths.

Stop defending the insane rhetoric of people like Hinojosa.

You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice.

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Some were military, active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. What's wrong with a career at ICE?

You know many get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US. Probably really hard to shoot dogs, flash bang babies and batter immigrants while you've got a raging hard-on the entire time.

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Where's your proof of this? Do you realize how over-the-top crazy you sound here? This is the kind of rhetoric that turns Americans stomachs.

RabidAlpaca said:

This is factually incorrect. In Nazi Germany, the Jews broke many laws just by existing and being who they are. It's no different here, their only crime is their existence. It's ICE's job to hunt human beings and shuffle them off, often violently to a place where they may face extreme persecution and death. As I pointed out, nobody is going to say they're identical, but the similarities are certainly there. Our dear leader is sending his brown shirts out on a mission to remove all the undesirables. Sounds familiar.

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Drama much?

Laws passed against the Jews are not accepted by the International community, or human rights groups as being valid laws. They were crimes against humanity.

Immigration laws, however, are acceptable to the International community, and to human rights groups, as long as long as the punishment does not exceed the violation. Nations are allowed to set and enforce immigration laws.

That takes us right back to the woman's moronic comment -- that ICE was like the Gestapo. That's completely unfounded and moronic.

The individual point of view from an illegal immigrant notwithstanding, the fact is that in our world actions come with consequences. The consequences ICE is meting out are acceptable, not just to the US, but to international law and compatible with the solutions employed in other nations.

I'm sure criminals of all types feel as though the authorities could catch up with them at any minute -- and they should feel that way. They brought it on themselves.

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MSNBC host Ali Velshi then flew into spin control, where he practically asked Hinojosa to correct herself, but she refused. Its all on video, in the link below.

How would Holocaust survivors feel knowing that these idiots like Hinojosa are 'respected journalists' who think illegal immigrants have it as bad as Jews did under the Gestapo? Pure ridiculousness.

https://michaelsavage.com/2018/01/12/npr-host-compares-ice-to-gestapo/

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And yet...Obama says this:

“What the Russians exploited––but it was already here––is we are operating in completely different universes. If you watch Fox News, you are living on a different planet than you are if you, you know, listen to NPR.”

https://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-fox-news-audience-living-on-a-different-planet-than-nprs/

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Me? I don't place much credence with the talking potato heads from either Fox or NPR. They both have talking potato heads like Hinojosa who will say anything and don't care how much spin, innuendo and hyperbole they need to engage in to advance their agenda.

truthatallcost said:

MSNBC host Ali Velshi then flew into spin control, where he practically asked Hinojosa to correct herself, but she refused. Its all on video, in the link below.

How would Holocaust survivors feel knowing that these idiots like Hinojosa are 'respected journalists' who think illegal immigrants have it as bad as Jews did under the Gestapo? Pure ridiculousness.

https://michaelsavage.com/2018/01/12/npr-host-compares-ice-to-gestapo/

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Can't fix stupid

RabidAlpaca said:

You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice. You know many get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US. Probably really hard to shoot dogs, flash bang babies and batter immigrants while you've got a raging hard-on the entire time.

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No, why don't you tell us how many. And provide proof. Imagine this, you are standing on the US side of the border, a soldier of the drug cartel across from you on their side and a ICE officer in between. I then whisper in the ICE officer's ear your statement above.

Sound like fun?

Mycroft said:

And yet...Obama says this:



Me? I don't place much credence with the talking potato heads from either Fox or NPR. They both have talking potato heads like Hinojosa who will say anything and don't care how much spin, innuendo and hyperbole they need to engage in to advance their agenda.

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The difference is that Fox is competing in the open market, while NPR isn't. The government still funds NPR, and they use those funds to hire blatantly anti-American leftists like Hinojosa.

truthatallcost said:

The difference is that Fox is competing in the open market, while NPR isn't. The government still funds NPR, and they use those funds to hire blatantly anti-American leftists like Hinojosa.

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While you make a good point, that point is not relevant to my point.

RabidAlpaca said:

She didn't say that latinos being hunted by ICE have it as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany, you added that. What she said is that for them ICE is like the Gestapo, and she's totally right. If ICE hears even rumors about "undesirables" in an area, they'll do a night raid and drag them and their children out and away from the life they've built. You may support ICE and recognize the importance of their job, but to the people being hunted by them there's very little difference between them and the Gestapo, and just as with the Gestapo, ICE will be relocating many immigrants from their peaceful homes to somewhere where their lives and the lives of their family are in serious mortal danger. The Gestapo didn't run the gas chambers, they just relocated people the government considered undesirable to a new, often horrific location.



You have to think about the kind of people that make ICE their career choice. You know many get some pretty sick jollies out of roughing up and removing brown people from the US. Probably really hard to shoot dogs, flash bang babies and batter immigrants while you've got a raging hard-on the entire time.



Honest question looking for a serious answer. Is there ANYTHING that could ever make Trump's loyal base turn on him? What action could he do, or what could be pointed out about him and his administration that would make you guys actually consider not supporting him? The way I see it there really are no limits. You will support everything he does and worship the ground he walks on without condition. He could literally burn the constitution and piss on the ashes and you'll cry "More, more!"

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Why, exactly, is the enforcement of immigration law just like rounding up Jews? Your answer seems to be that violating immigration law by entering or remaining in this country illeaglly is just like having a religion to those who do so.

You (and NPR?) expect folks to see those being "hunted" for having violated a federal law as victims and those that *gasp* enforce immigration law as having less than honorable motives for *gasp* doing their jobs. How dare the US have personnel to enforce immigration law? Can't we all see that those that violate federal immigration law should be allowed to see themselves as victims?

RabidAlpaca said:

This is factually incorrect. In Nazi Germany, the Jews broke many laws just by existing and being who they are. It's no different here, their only crime is their existence. It's ICE's job to hunt human beings and shuffle them off, often violently to a place where they may face extreme persecution and death. As I pointed out, nobody is going to say they're identical, but the similarities are certainly there. Our dear leader is sending his brown shirts out on a mission to remove all the undesirables. Sounds familiar.

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That (bolded above) assertion is factually incorrect: their alleged crime is the violation of federal immigration law, usually in conjunction with having either alleged or proven violations of other laws, and they are subject to due process of law. Your lame attempt to equate prosecution to persecution is noted.

It is the job of all law enforcement officers to "hunt human beings" that are suspected of having committed criminal acts. Your lame attempt to equate a state that has police to being a police state is also noted.

Oborosen said:

Well, unfortunately breaking the law brings with it a whole plethora of problems. I feel for these people, but its their choice to cross that line and when these men need to do their jobs. This is merely a link of those causalities feeding on one another.
It still is not a good sign of how this woman is trying to sell what it is she is slinging. Because these thin veiled and idiotic attempts to link the Trump administration with some form Nazi-ism is getting rather old.

My best offer, is that if the people who are merely here illegally can apply and get an expedited entrance exam of some sort. That will be used to approve them for citizenship. Illegal and criminal however, get no chance. I don't care how minor the charges are aside from being in the country illegally. But we have seen far too many times that if they have broken the law before, that its all too possible for them to do it again.

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Breaking the law brings problems ONLY FOR the ordinary citizen. If one is in high elected office Inside The Beltway, breaking the law is rather fashionable. Same for the crooks on Wall Street--breaking the laws is what they do.

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That (bolded above) assertion is factually incorrect: their alleged crime is the violation of federal immigration law, usually in conjunction with having either alleged or proven violations of other laws, and they are subject to due process of law. Your lame attempt to equate prosecution to persecution is noted.

It is the job of all law enforcement officers to "hunt human beings" that are suspected of having committed criminal acts. Your lame attempt to equate a state that has police to being a police state is also noted.

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You act as though violation of federal immigration law is on a level of violation of federal constitutional law, an often mundane occurrence in Washington DC.

I don't see those 2 crimes as being equal. One is trivial and petty, the other very serious. One is enforced by armed federal agents, the other is not enforced at all. Is something wrong with this country?

Thoreau72 said:

You act as though violation of federal immigration law is on a level of violation of federal constitutional law, an often mundane occurrence in Washington DC.

I don't see those 2 crimes as being equal. One is trivial and petty, the other very serious. One is enforced by armed federal agents, the other is not enforced at all. Is something wrong with this country?

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To enforce "constitutional law" one must show standing (personal harm) and there simply are no police empowered to enforce "constitutional law". Something is clearly wrong with the "just us" system but that does not make ICE agents performing their duties, of enforcing the immigration laws as written, a petty or trivial matter.