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Washington Post Quietly Edits Article on TPS for Salvadorans

phattonez said:
Probably because Americans didn't want the crappy wages that they were offering.
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I find that hard to believe. I find it much more likely that the incentives being offered encourage employers to favor hiring immigrants

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faithful_servant said:
Why wasn't Shapiro & Duncan fined for hiring an illegal immigrant???
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Because they took advantage of the TPS program, which this guy didn't even come here for. They got him into the program after the fact and voila! They've done nothing wrong!

This is how corrupt business has become in this country.
 
Lursa said:
I'm not remotely an 'immigration lover, ' but I'd like to know the mystery answer here.

What gain? You allude to it, what gain and how/why is it associated with this immigration program? Why can/do they pay these people (immigrants) differently than citizens for the same jobs? Where is this information?

And what labor safety laws are they allowed to circumvent? This is a govt program...can you please articulate what you are describing?
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What happens when you flood any market with excess supply? Prices go down. Why would the job market be any different?
 
Lursa said:
Were they paying minimum wage? Using some means to exclude Americans?

Otherwise, please explain this:


It's not the company's fault that apparently alot of Americans prefer to whine about not having jobs or stepping stones to more opportunities and just stay on public assistance.
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Your right it's not the company's fault for looking out for its best interests. It's the govs fault for making domestic hirings not in their best interests

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trouble13 said:
I find that hard to believe. I find it much more likely that the incentives being offered encourage employers to favor hiring immigrants

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When it comes to farm labor it's true. When it comes to higher skilled trades like this, then the motives for these companies gets very interesting.
 
trouble13 said:
Your right it's not the company's fault for looking out for its best interests. It's the govs fault for making domestic hirings not in their best interests

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I'm not going to let the company off the hook here. They're advocating for the program.
 
humbolt said:
He has a Costco card? Well, that certainly makes him American. OTOH, maybe this fellow could take his acquired skills to El Salvador and install some plumbing for those folks.
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I actually would not be opposed to a program that encourages that kind of thing. Give 3rd world people certain skills on temporary visas and then send them home with those skills to elevate those places. I do have a couple of caveats

1. We only do that for our friends
2. It's done on a limited scale

Let's teach them how to fish instead of just sending them our fish. Balanced approach of course

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trouble13 said:
I actually would not be opposed to a program that encourages that kind of thing. Give 3rd world people certain skills on temporary visas and then send them home with those skills to elevate those places. I do have a couple of caveats

1. We only do that for our friends
2. It's done on a limited scale

Let's teach them how to fish instead of just sending them our fish. Balanced approach of course

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I'd be more amenable to that sort of thing if our national debt wasn't at 100% of GDP.
 
Simple theoretical question: if capital can cross borders in this transnational business era, why shouldn’t labor be able to do the same? If a company can go to Mexico to find cheaper labor, why shouldn’t Mexican workers be able to come to the USA to find better wages? They are just mini-capitalists looking for a better return on their investment. No diff.
 
phattonez said:
Read the article! He didn't even come here because of the earthquake:



He was an economic migrant. He didn't come here because of an emergency. He just was able to use the program to his benefit. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Shapiro & Duncan were the ones who got him signed up into the program.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the questions I asked:

[Were they] Using some means to exclude Americans?

Does it give priority to or subsidies for hiring people in this program?
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So nothing was stopping that company or any other from hiring American citizens. There were no incentives to hire Salvadorans.

Maybe it would be better to ask why Americans werent competing for those jobs and if they did...why they didnt get them?
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Nickyjo said:
Simple theoretical question: if capital can cross borders in this transnational business era, why shouldn’t labor be able to do the same? If a company can go to Mexico to find cheaper labor, why shouldn’t Mexican workers be able to come to the USA to find better wages? They are just mini-capitalists looking for a better return on their investment. No diff.
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The issue is that flooding one's country with 3rd world labor doesn't benefit all Americans. For the poorer among us this is a direct harm, as it pushes down wages for them. For foreign countries, they lose skilled labor that could instead be developing their own country. Who benefits, you might ask? Rich Americans, who are able to use the services of this cheap foreign labor and push down their costs while increasing their profits.
 
trouble13 said:
Does the gov offer the employers the same incentives to hire and train domestic labor too or is it only offered to immigrant labor. If it's not offered to everyone that would create a bias in hiring practices.

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I saw no mention of incentives at all in the article. That's why I'm asking. According to what I posted, there arent any.
 
phattonez said:
What happens when you flood any market with excess supply? Prices go down. Why would the job market be any different?
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Where did it say wages/prices went down?

And why were the immigrants given priority over citizens? (were they?)
 
phattonez said:
I'm not going to let the company off the hook here. They're advocating for the program.
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Why, specifically?

If the Salvadorans in this program led to financial benefits for this company...how? Why?
 
phattonez said:
Probably because Americans didn't want the crappy wages that they were offering.
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The person in your example was able to afford a townhouse and college tuition for his child. The wages can't be that crappy.
 
Lursa said:
I saw no mention of incentives at all in the article. That's why I'm asking. According to what I posted, there arent any.
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Here are a few examples, some at the federal level, some at state levels. Any training grant that has diversity as an objective is NECESSARILY anti-white.

https://esd.ny.gov/employee-training-incentive-program
Grants for Diversity in the Workplace | Chron.com
Do Minority-Training Programs Work? | Science | AAAS

And don't forget those minority business lending programs!

Employment Incentives Ohio State Incentives
 
Lursa said:
Where did it say wages/prices went down?

And why were the immigrants given priority over citizens? (were they?)
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Which is easier to do? Hire a foreigner, find a program to legalize them, and train them, or to hire an American and train them?
 
phattonez said:
Here are a few examples, some at the federal level, some at state levels. Any training grant that has diversity as an objective is NECESSARILY anti-white.

https://esd.ny.gov/employee-training-incentive-program
Grants for Diversity in the Workplace | Chron.com
Do Minority-Training Programs Work? | Science | AAAS

And don't forget those minority business lending programs!

Employment Incentives Ohio State Incentives
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OK, thank you. I didnt see where the company in the OP or the Salvadoran TPS program received any of those or participated in any of those.

Did you see that included?

OTOH, if they are for 'anyone but white people,' then they would apply to plenty of American citizens as well.
 
lurchadams said:
The person in your example was able to afford a townhouse and college tuition for his child. The wages can't be that crappy.
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No, not in the case of skilled labor like this. When it comes to farms that's absolutely true. With this, I'm all ears as to why a company would rather hire and legalize a foreigner than to simply hire an American.
 
phattonez said:
No, not in the case of skilled labor like this. When it comes to farms that's absolutely true. With this, I'm all ears as to why a company would rather hire and legalize a foreigner than to simply hire an American.
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So am I.

But I didnt see where the Salvadorans were skilled labor either.
 
Lursa said:
OK, thank you. I didnt see where the company in the OP or the Salvadoran TPS program received any of those or participated in any of those.

Did you see that included?

OTOH, if they are for 'anyone but white people,' then they would apply to plenty of American citizens as well.
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Here is the direct incentive for why Shapiro & Duncan does it:

Shapiro & Duncan said:
Shapiro & Duncan takes pride in utilizing qualified minority subcontractors to meet diversity requirements on federal, state and local government contracts.
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https://www.shapiroandduncan.com/mechanical-construction/

Those diversity requirements are, in effect, disincentivizing hiring whites.
 
Lursa said:
So am I.

But I didnt see where the Salvadorans were skilled labor either.
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After training they are skilled, so why is Shapiro & Duncan hiring illegals rather than Americans? Their stated reason is to meet diversity requirements on government contracts.
 
phattonez said:
Which is easier to do? Hire a foreigner, find a program to legalize them, and train them, or to hire an American and train them?
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Can you provide some proof of the 'find a program to legalize them?'

It's your OP. What's the 'dishonesty' again?

What makes you think they didnt hire the Salvadorans simply because no Americans would take those jobs? Just like the agricultural jobs. They are offered to Americans...few to none will take them.

So I asked what makes you think that the company 'chose' to hire foreigners?
 
humbolt said:
He has a Costco card? Well, that certainly makes him American. OTOH, maybe this fellow could take his acquired skills to El Salvador and install some plumbing for those folks.
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YEAH! Lets throw some shade at those poor latinos! <sarcasm> MAGA!
 
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phattonez said:
After training they are skilled, so why is Shapiro & Duncan hiring illegals rather than Americans? Their stated reason is to meet diversity requirements on government contracts.
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Plenty of non-white Americans to fulfill that requirement...with less paperwork.
 
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