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Trump To Announce Most Corrupt & Dishonest Media Award Next Week
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How is this suppressing the press?
The thing about freedom and liberties is that we have to tack the bad with the good, or all the good is lost forever. Indeed I accept the medias BS over the Presidents (any president) that is because the president has actual power while the media is just private industry. That doesnt mean that support ALL of what the media says and does.
I know you want me to be on the left (but I am not). So these little digs just look pathetically partisan to me. And reinstates one of the many reasons why I am opposed to the artificial left/right myth. And hammers home why I am an individualist rather than a group thinker. WHat it has done is trained people to think a certain way, to support certain things.
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Fine. Just making an observation of what it seems like what's going on.
So in conclusion, criticizing the media, even for the president (or do free speech rights not extend to him) is 1st amend. privileges and is allowed, at least for now, and secondly, the present disgrace the media is, it certainly deserves criticism, fourth, in order for the press to enjoy its protecting privileges they have to be a purveyor of factual and unbiased information in the form of news to the electorate.
We are already experiencing media editorial decisions that don't report or minimize negatives stories about liberal politicians, while also exaggerating negative stories on conservative politicians, essentially executing a media coup on non-liberal politicians. Journalistic standards have massively fallen in favor of this political propaganda. This is dangerous and a threat to the well being of the Republic.
I've done my best to share my observations and thoughts on the matter, perhaps I've swayed and you've not let on, but probably not. Doesn't matter, it allowed me the opportunity to formalize my thoughts on the matter, for that, I thank you and your patience.
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So was Pol Pot.
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I dont know you but you missing the point this wide does not suggest that I should care.
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You mean him saying that he sold F55 planes to Norway, or that it was Obamas fault that the US got a crappy deal with the new London embassy? That is just the last 24 hours. There is a clear problem with his mental faculties.. it is not normal for people to claim they are stable geniuses. The man has either dementia, or Alzheimers. He should have his head checked by independent people, and not his usual doctors.. doctors that we know lied about his true health.
The media are just repeating what he is saying... for the most part. Sure there are leaks from his White House, that cant be confirmed, but considering the consistency and his past behavior, those leaks seem more and more realistic in nature.
Well that aint gonna happen with the right wing media. They have been massively manipulating for decades, pushing lies and conspiracy theories and still do.
Yes the trust issue... the problem is that the right wing media sphere in the US political spectrum has "won". CNN does something wrong and the world falls around them, but Fox News does something wrong and they get away with very little criticism. It has been like that for decades. It should be the non-Fox News outlets that should be fighting back against the attacks to their credibility over relatively small issue, especially compared to what Fox News and Briebart like sites push out of lies.
The problem is not the "liberal media".. it is the alt right crap like Briebart and Fox News.. they are the ones that manipulate their viewers with lies and half truths. Just look at Fox News DEFENDING Donalds racist remarks... come on.. There has to be a limit. Fox News and Co consistently mislead their audiences.. there is evidence of this.. that Fox News viewers believed and some still do, that Saddam was behind 9/11.. because on Fox News no one pushed back when the Bush administration tried to push this lie. In fact Fox News was the cheerleader in chief for many of the lies of the Bush administration and now the Trump administration.
Being president does mean that the president cannot just say and do whatever he likes. There are a lot of jobs that are like that. A customer service employee cannot tell customers to **** off without being fired. Sure Trump has 1st Amendment rights but he cannot say whatever he pleases as president. Currently he learned that again and is denying that he said "****hole countries". According yo your argument he has the right to say whatever he pleases. That just isnt true.
You free to not listen, watch or read any privately owned media news outlet. No one is forcing you to listen, watch or read anything. ANd obviously you were not convinced by said news outlets at all. It sounds like to me you just dont like hearing things that you do not agree with. And Trump is the reason that we are talking about that. Trump/the president has been telling you to think the things that you have been asserting to me. Its a broad accusation of the media that I have a problem with, but Trump and most likely you do not really mean the entirety of the media Trump just means the media that disagrees with him. That to me is a president criticizing the media in a corrupt way.
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So, then, your position is that the President can't criticize the media. Does that include previous presidents as well?
Clearly a criticizsm of Fox News and an accolade of NPR.
There is question as to the veracity of those comments, made in a private meeting, and related by Democrat politicians. That being said, the comment is not a racist one, and is factual, in the yes, there are some countries that really are ****holes. What it isn't is racist, as it is commenting about a country and not the people in it. What would be more racist and bigoted is the 'diversity immigration / visa lottery', in that applicants are chosen based on which country they are coming from, rather than each on their own merits. But that is for another thread.
So then your position is that the President of the US loses his 1st amendment speech rights then. OK. All I'll remind you is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticizsm, and certainly President Trump receives more than his fair share of that, some legitimate, most, especially from the media, not legitimate.
I'll grant you that, however, that still doesn't mean that the 'news' political propaganda media isn't manipulating the electorate and isn't causing the damage to the nation and the same electorate that I've posted about.
Here I think you are wrong from the stand point that legitimate criticism on facts and on policy is valued, political propaganda, which is what the US 'news' media has descended into, isn't.
Actually, no, I've been bitching about biased media well before the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency.
I see. Appears that you hold the 'news' media completely unaccountable for their obvious bias, their overt pushing of their political agenda, their distortions and their dishonest editorial decision making, beholden to none, answerable to none, and unassailable, regardless of whether the 'news' are becoming, and wanting to become, Orwell's "ministry of truth".
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Meh. Diagnosis from afar is both inaccurate and against American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics[SUP][1] [/SUP]so who known exactly what sort of 'doctors' who are rending these opinions. Fair to say that those who violate their profession's ethics should have their opinions held in skeptical regard. You mention "doctors that we know lied about his true health", I'd ask for a citation for that, and not from some leftist political propaganda or leftists biased site, please.
Or they just fabricate it as needed for their narrative, and then issue a retraction a day or two later, buried on page 9, so as to hide it.
Sure, sure, if you already believe the single source anonymous source (i.e. potentially fabricated), sure, then you'll believe every other single source anonymous source story for the same reasons, probably.
Yeah, I get it. To you it's little more than left=good, right=bad.
If you care note, all I'm after is
accurate, factual, non-manipulative, non-agenda pushing=good,
inaccurate, not factual, manipulative, agenda pushing=bad
Consider this. Walter Cronkite for years delivered the news and was the reference for accurate and integrity. Trust between his viewers, him and the news he was delivering developed. It wasn't until years after his retirement it was found that he held some very far left views. In modern times Chris Wallace is of similar stock. He too leans left, but it doesn't make a difference in his reporting, he asks the same very tough interview questions of his interviewers regardless of which side of the political spectrum. I applaud them both.
Never said that the alt-right was worth the time or consideration, because they don't get either from me.
Sorry, but you lack credibility on this coming from the EU who's media is even further left than the US media. Do please note, this isn't an endorsement of Breitbart and what Bannon turned that into.
Wait what does that have to do with what you quoted? I asserted that the President doesnt really have freedom of speech because he is the president and saying the wrong thing can incite riots, cause wars, destroy the economy etc, many of which can be crimes. and worse.
And it agreed by most political analysts that it was wrong of the president to say that. At any rate at best you are trying to argue if it was ok for Obama then...its ok for the current president. And I say that two wrongs do not make a right. So just give up on your attempt to troll a hypocritical response. I have liked a president in my entire probably never will. I feel that the framers made it clear that us voting public should treat politicians as the enemy and never cut them a break or give them the benefit of doubt, because they are probably guilty of whatever they are be accused of at some time.
Of course you would ignore my point and go right into trying to protect the president. My argument (despite you being easly distracted) is that President has a duty to not say the wrong things as president that can go against the oath of the president. If you seriously think that the President can say just whatever the **** he wants you are grossly wrong. The president at best has a limited freedom of speech with many conditions.
Yes the President of the United States of America does not enjoy freedom of speech. As I said the presidents words have power, and that power can easily be abused by speech alone. Of course the presoideny could say anything that he wants, but if what he says isnt Constitutional then there will be consequences. Remember Presidential directives are only speech. Proclamations that go against the oath of office are impeachable offenses. Lying as the president is also impeachable. The president does not enjoy the same freedoms that ordinary citizens do. In some case the president has extra freedoms that we do not have in other cases the president isnt anywhere as free as the ordinary citizen.
If any organization (including the media) is involved in corruption etc there are indeed laws that pertain to them. DOnt pretend that the media is above the law (they are not). And as a citizen and if you have the evidence you free to turn them in. But you are just parroting a conspiracy theory and be honest you are not going to go talk to a federal prosecutor. So either you dont really believe all that or you lack the fortitude to actually do something about it. WHich begs the question where is the investigations into what you are claiming? Certainly the Republicans are actors who support the president should be doing something?
Again put you money where your mouth is or your accusations are empty political forum rhetoric and nothing else.
And you will probably be bitching about it till the day you day without doing anything more than bitching.
I completely hold the news media accountable, why wouldnt I? Ironically the subject of this thread is about Trump trying to be the "ministry of truth" with his dishonest media awards. It makes me think of people like Hugo Chavez and Hitler. I can see them doing the same type of thing easily. See the president is telling us what to believe and not what to believe. And you support him so you are trying hard to get me to tote the same line. I refuse to be conned by the president or his supporters. I will remain skeptically of everything that a president (past, present or future) says or does. I do have lots of criticisms of the media, hell why do you think I dont watch it? There hundreds or even thousands of really bad news sites on the internet. Out of all them I do not trust any them anymore than trust anything on tv. Time always to a certain extent brings out the truth. SO I dont ever bank on a news release at all really. But never mind you were told that anyone who isnt on Trumps side is a mindless liberal eating up what they are being fed, and no matter what say to you you will go away believing that I am a liberal and am being spoon fed propaganda. After all thats the propaganda that you are being spoon fed.
I mean the President himself must be held accountable for his actions. Even if there were some giant liberal political media propagandist campaign the president still accountable for his actions, period. To me I see a half truth that Trump is exploiting to distract the attention from himself. it makes me question his innocence. And when I feel that way about a president I want the question HIS Loyalty to America and her citizens to be answered by justice and the Constitution. As it stand The president is trying his damnist to avoid that. ANd the more that he does the more that he looks guilty.
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I dunno what could have possibly given me that impression. Perhaps not accepting Trump's legitimate criticism of the biased media?
Meh. Meaningless, yet he's decided to do it. Or did he already? You can use that as a gauge of my interest in that.
I'd suggest that it would be wise to apply the same metric and criticality to the biased mainstream media. They too are trying to tell you what to believe, and there are some in the electorate who blindly believe whatever it is that comes out on their favored mainstream newspaper and their favored mainstream 'news' broadcasts. News disguised as political propaganda and leftist agenda push.
You can do whatever it is you want.
Meh. I don't think so. If I were, I'd be shouting MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! 4D chess! Yet I'm not.
Don't confuse observations of the general as being directed specifically to you. Well,, unless, as they say, the shoe fits.
There are plenty off things where Trump shoots himself, his administration, and the agenda that elected him in the feet. Why in the world say something untoward and give the opposition an opening to stall the agenda? A case of bad Trump.
All of those are legitimate gripes. And BTW, there's still no iron clad that he actually said it (believe the hyper partisan Durbin? He'd just as soon torpedo the DACA talks so that he can blame Trump and the GOP, or get the GOP to cave on the deal he wants). So maybe we'll see this iron clad presented yet.
There's good Trump, when he advances the agenda that elected him.
Then there's bad Trump, when he does something that doesn't advance the agenda.
Doesn't much sound like buying the MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! 4D chess! that some have conned themselves into.
Brilliant. Conviction without evidence. Sounds an aweful lot like the Russian collusion narrative the media has been pushing for over a year without any substantiation presented. Just sayin'
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And here the coverage of the political analysts that stated such? Deathly silence.
Trump criticizes the media, everyone's hair is on fire, and it's endlessly repeated on every news channel and every news program. Yeah, balanced coverage? :lamo
Fair. So just why is it that politicians of the political left get such favored treatment by the press? Hmmm....
It is not I that have placed the media above criticism. I believe they deserve all the criticism they get, and then some. There is no law, and there shouldn't be one, to enforce what the media publish or put on the air. But they shouldn't be exempt from criticism either. There should be no
Fairness Doctrine, a Democrat invention by the way.
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And the deplorables touch themselves.
What you are missing is that the media is just the media, they are not the government, do you understand that? Sure you have some big ridiculous conspiracy theory going on about the media, but that is neither here or there. Trump though is the president HE IS a THIRD OF OUR GOVERNMENT. And our president is spreading this conspiracy theory that you are obviously obsessed with. You are demonstrating how powerful Trumps propaganda can be. Its the type of propaganda that up until Trump started doing it was only done by brutal dictators. I dont really care about the media they really are not an organized anything. They say one thing today and another tomorrow and there has never been a unified message by the media. And if you try to tell me so I can prove it over and over again.
There lies the problem with your claims, it isnt reality its fantasy. AT best a half truth that our president is using to get control of people like you that easily fooled. You are being manipulated by our President in a fashion that has only been seen in countries with authoritarian rulers. And you do not see anymore than a cultist see's how they are being controlled.
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After Trump's presidency, we'll probably get another nice, boring suit in the White House who reads from a dull polished script all the time, and you can celebrate blandness once again.
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Of course.
The torrent of dishonest, inaccurate, damaging 'news' reporting has a thread you may want to check out.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/306351-fake-news-thread.html
The sheer torrent of this is nearly unimaginable. Seems the media is on a mission to discredit and de-legitimize a legitimately elected president. Almost a coup via media. This would be the danger to the republic that I perceive, and its not just this president, its any president. If this fake news keeps going and is successful in their aims, are we then condemned to be able to only elect presidents the media approves of?
There I think you are sadly mistaken, as has been documented in the posts of this thread and thread I cited.
No, the amount of fake news is well documented, should one care to look, and some of it being documents in the thread that I cited.
So where do you learn these things from if the media is nothing but a "torrent of dishonest, inaccurate, damaging 'news' reporting"?
This is where the Presidents campaign against the what he has dubbed the "liberal media" gets suspect. If the media that trump attacks as being nothing but liberal propaganda is not where Americans should get their information from, then what is he suggesting?
When a President does something like have a corrupt and dishonest media award on top of constant accusations and attacks on certain parties in the news industry we have a problem. Perhaps if there were some federal investigations into the matter that the president was working off of or actual charged then this would all be different. But Trump has not indicated any such thing. SO that leaves us with nothing but conspiracy theories that Trump is pandering to his base. You guys eat it up and that pleases the President.
Again the media has always been inaccurate, dishonest and corrupt. What is happening now is not unique (other than the President is using his power to convince you to hate every news outlet that disagrees with him). Which seems to be working great for his base. And before you try to accuse me of believing the media yet again the media has always been inaccurate, dishonest and corrupt. I said it twice in bold so that even you couldnt miss it. I do not trust the media never have never will. Every time anything happens the early reports are always wrong and nothing but rumors. SOme news agencies are better than other, they are not all the same. They by far are not organizing against the president. That is just paranoia and delusional conspiracy theory BS. And FFS the news outlets that you trust are part of what you are trying to say is some big conspiracy and if you are not including them then your bias makes your claim invalid.
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No. You're not accurate here.
Not too long ago, in the halcyon days of Cronkite and Rather (before he went bad), there was nearly no political agenda, nearly no agenda push, nor political narrative from the news media, and if there was any, there was damn little of it. Which flies in the face of your "the media has always been inaccurate, dishonest and corrupt". That's not to say that there weren't inaccurate, dishonest and corrupt, recalling the accusation of 'yellow journalism', form the days of yore.
When in the minority it poses no threat to the well being of the Republic. When in the majority, such as it is now, it does pose a clear and present danger to the Republic, such as it does now.
There are fair and legitimate criticisms of Trump, I've voiced some myself on this very forum.
To paint all the 'fake news' as legitimate and as legitimate criticism is intellectually dishonest.
The media is conducting an overt de-legitimization campaign against a legitimately elected president, in essence nearly a media coup. And yet you expect me to believe that 'all is well' ?? I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it that way.
As the news media's credibility and trust with the electorate falls, there opens an opportunity for someone to come along and do things differently; take advantage of an unserved market, to bring down the very media that you've accurately called inaccurate, dishonest and corrupt.
I see you have rose colored memories. I hate to break it to you but Cronkite wasnt unbiased.
I am pretty what you are telling me is that the liberal media is evil! I mean thats what the President keeps telling America. By Liberal media Trump means anyone opposed to him.
Who is doing this?
Man thats a serious accusation, that deserves indisputable evidence. FFS a coup is about as serious as you can get. Why dont you press charges instead of whining on this forum all the time?
That is a real broad accusation, does it include Fox news and Breitbart? How about Rush Limbaugh, is he in on this giant media coup thing too? Or is it just Liberals? Let me guess its the deep state right?
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The most dishonest news maker in history announcing The Fake News Award. How nice.
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Are you saying that his bias was present in his news broadcasts? I was left with the impression that it wasn't until after his retirement his left political leaning was discovered.
If you want to use those terms, OK.
Bias in news reporting and bias in news editorial decisions is evil, full stop. At this time, it is the leftist media which is being the most egregious about this. Consider the active and apparently coordinated effort underway to de-legitimatize a legitimately elected president; nearly a media coup, if you will. Are all presidents from now on going to have meet media approval or face absolute hell from them?
Most every leftist on this forum. Most every leftist in the media.
Press charges. :roll: . Yeah, right. Near coup. There is no move to take political power, at least not directly.
If you look at all the Fake News in the thread I pointed out earlier, you'd be surprised at the level of crass, brazen, and number of president and administration damaging news articles, which goes viral, only to be debunked, which is posted, but never seems to get the same level of exposure as the original story. Its happening with such frequency that its hard to image this is by accident. It happens with such frequency, with exactly the same pattern, with the same results, its far more believable that it is purposeful.
And yes, the media has lost that much credibility and trust with me.
History paints a different picture, but I cannot argue with your impressions.
Nearly? Without actual evidence your argument sounds like propaganda designed to make Americans not listen to the specific media that disagrees with trump. There is no coup, no coup in process, no attempted coup, its all BS that the president is spoon feeding his base who lap it up with envy. Im sure that isnt your impression, but no one really cares about your impression.
Certainly bias is unethical and delegitimizes whoever is giving the bias. Sure it is bad for the country to have unethical news stations etc. But it is even worse to have the President that asserts that he is the only one news station is good and the rest are all bad.
And here you are really only parroting the president.
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And yet you object to the president using the bully pulpit calling out that bias. Hmm.
Is it your position or opinion that the media isn't working on a daily basis to marginalize and de-legitimize a legitimately elected president?