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Immigrant Living in Massachusetts Took Part in 8 Murders, Media Uninterested

iliveonramen said:
Sure, as are the millions of people that employ them.

The fact is...our current immigration policies obviously don't meet the needs of our country so there's a massive demand for immigrants and those immigrants are more than happy to supply that labor.
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If im umderstanding you correctly your saying that we dont have enough immigrants here and its our fault? We have too many jobs and the illegals are doing us a favor? Do i have that right?

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Chomsky said:
I do admit this guy seems to be an extremely heinous criminal. Good riddance!

But ICE removes 300-400K per year, the majority being for criminal matters. I'm not sure one more is newsworthy, unless one is trying to make or prove a point.
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MSNBC and CNN both publish news with the intention of 'proving a point', on a routine basis. My OP actually does prove a point that should be pretty useful to anyone interested in the subject: 9 out of 10 deportees have criminal convictions here in the US.
Is that newsworthy? Absolutely.

Also, wouldn't you think most Americans, especially those residing in Massachusetts would like to know that an 8-time killer was living amongst them, and that our immigration enforcement successfully removed him? Again, newsworthy.
 
truthatallcost said:
MSNBC and CNN both publish news with the intention of 'proving a point', on a routine basis. My OP actually does prove a point that should be pretty useful to anyone interested in the subject: 9 out of 10 deportees have criminal convictions here in the US.
Is that newsworthy? Absolutely.

Also, wouldn't you think most Americans, especially those residing in Massachusetts would like to know that an 8-time killer was living amongst them, and that our immigration enforcement successfully removed him? Again, newsworthy.
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I definitely can see the local angle.

I'm just not sure it's headline worthy on a national front.
 
Chomsky said:
I definitely can see the local angle.

I'm just not sure it's headline worthy on a national front.
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The usefulness of our vetting process is another area of conversation where this story holds relevance. But the media isn't really touting the vetting process much anyway, after recent terror plots and attacks.

I'm tellin ya Noam, the MSM ain't touching this one with a 10 ft pole for good reason.
 
iliveonramen said:
You convinced me. This one individual obviously proves that the millions of immigrants here are all criminals and do not represent normal people.

Well done and thank you for that story.
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At least 221,000 are.
 
Chomsky said:
I do admit this guy seems to be an extremely heinous criminal. Good riddance!

But ICE removes 300-400K per year, the majority being for criminal matters. I'm not sure one more is newsworthy, unless one is trying to make or prove a point.
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But removing that many each year is newsworthy.

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truthatallcost said:
The usefulness of our vetting process is another area of conversation where this story holds relevance. But the media isn't really touting the vetting process much anyway, after recent terror plots and attacks.

I'm tellin ya Noam, the MSM ain't touching this one with a 10 ft pole for good reason.
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Well, maybe.

But regardless, I'm steadfastly anti-illegal-immigration. The media and Dems got the wrong side of this issue, and as much as I hate to admit it Trump has the right side, though I can't stand his tactics.
 
trouble13 said:
But removing that many each year is newsworthy.

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Well, it's been happening each year for quite a few years, so "newsworthy" would be if the numbers change, no?
 
truthatallcost said:
Quote which part of the OP was propaganda please.
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Sure. Here:

truthatallcost said:
Since the American media wasn't interested in reporting this story, I'll do it for them.

From the website of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement, dated December 22, 2017:



A search of news stories turns up nothing in the 6 days since ICE published this press release.

Could it be that this little tid bit destroys the MSM/DNC myth that says good undocumented immigrants are being ripped from families, and deported by an uncaring American government?-

Since Oct. 1, 2009, ERO has removed more than 1,700 foreign fugitives from the United States who were sought in their native countries for serious crimes, including kidnapping, rape and murder. In fiscal year 2016, ICE conducted 240,255 removals nationwide. Ninety-two percent of individuals removed from the interior of the United States had previously been convicted of a criminal offense.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-removes-ms-13-gang-member-wanted-involvement-8-murders

Tell CNN and MSNBC to forward a check to TAAC for doing the journalism they refuse to do. :)
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Chomsky said:
Well, it's been happening each year for quite a few years, so "newsworthy" would be if the numbers change, no?
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Imo no, its newsworthy because it happens every year. That in itself is newsworthy. Its not an anomaly its a problem.

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holbritter said:
At least 221,000 are.
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Per year, no less. I'm not against good people who happen to be illegal immigrants, I know some who can work my butt under the table, and don't cause problems. But the real issue is that the left wants lawlessness when it comes to immigration.
 
trouble13 said:
Imo no, its newsworthy because it happens every year. That in itself is newsworthy. Its not an anomaly its a problem.

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Re: "Newsworthy"

Not at all.

News reacts to changes and trends. Very little status-quo gets reported, unless the lack of change itself is of note.

My question to you would be,

"Where have you been all these years, to have been so uninformed"?
 
Redress said:
Sure. Here:
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Harzzz. But really...you got nothing. My OP touched on both the macro and micro side of criminal illegal immigrants, and deportation. If your only argument is to cry, 'propaganda!', I'm not really interested.
 
Redress said:
You cannot be part of the program if you are in jail...
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Not exactly, it depends whether your offense is considered serious.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie...ng-seven-dreamers-in-prison-on-hunger-strike/

According to this link dreamers are more likely to be jailed than other immigrants but less likley to be jailed than "similar" native born folks.

DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL CHARACTERISTICS
Incarceration rates by race and ethnicity paint a more nuanced picture (Table 1). DREAMers who are black, Asian, or Hispanic of any race have lower incarceration rates than natives of the same ethnicity, race, education, and age. However, white DREAMers and those who selfidentify as other have higher incarceration rates than their native-born peers. Furthermore, DACA-ineligible illegal immigrants and all other legal immigrants have lower incarceration rates than natives or DREAMers in every racial and ethnic category.
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https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/dreamer-incarceration-rate
 
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Chomsky said:
Well, maybe.

But regardless, I'm steadfastly anti-illegal-immigration. The media and Dems got the wrong side of this issue, and as much as I hate to admit it Trump has the right side, though I can't stand his tactics.
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Since you're a pretty fair poster most of the time, I'd have to admit that I don't like some of Trump's tactics either. I'd love it if he could be more professional, while still keeping his zeal for improving the country. On the other hand, the other viable candidates for Potus, Clinton/Sanders/Cruz/Rubio/Bush- wouldn't have done anything to clean up our illegal immigration mess if elected.
 
Chomsky said:
Re: "Newsworthy"

Not at all.

News reacts to changes and trends. Very little status-quo gets reported, unless the lack of change itself is of note.

My question to you would be,

"Where have you been all these years, to have been so uninformed"?
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Theres a wide chasm between what you and i think are newsworthy.

Where have i been? Where has the media been? Isnt it their job to alert pwople to stuff like this? Why arnt they drawinf attention to this threat

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truthatallcost said:
Since you're a pretty fair poster most of the time, I'd have to admit that I don't like some of Trump's tactics either. I'd love it if he could be more professional, while still keeping his zeal for improving the country. On the other hand, the other viable candidates for Potus, Clinton/Sanders/Cruz/Rubio/Bush- wouldn't have done anything to clean up our illegal immigration mess if elected.
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Because they and both parties were all in on it.

And thanks for the compliment.

But yeah, I'm completely floored that our government and political parties would allow the problem to carry-on and not just fester, but bloom!

What other first-world country allows rampant illegal immigration, like the U.S.? Any of them? I highly doubt it. Isn't securing the boarders one of government's most primary functions?

When Reagan legislated amnesty in the eighties, it was the first time I paid any attention to the issue. I could not believe illegal aliens were given access to the country's entitlement programs. Right then and there, I knew something was wrong, and it was from the top.

Illegal immigration, along with a conscious hard tack towards racial, cultural, and sexual minorities - rather than attracting natural diversity through shared universal values - were two of the reasons why I left the Dem party. `
 
truthatallcost said:
Since the American media wasn't interested in reporting this story, I'll do it for them.

From the website of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement, dated December 22, 2017:



A search of news stories turns up nothing in the 6 days since ICE published this press release.

Could it be that this little tid bit destroys the MSM/DNC myth that says good undocumented immigrants are being ripped from families, and deported by an uncaring American government?-

Since Oct. 1, 2009, ERO has removed more than 1,700 foreign fugitives from the United States who were sought in their native countries for serious crimes, including kidnapping, rape and murder. In fiscal year 2016, ICE conducted 240,255 removals nationwide. Ninety-two percent of individuals removed from the interior of the United States had previously been convicted of a criminal offense.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-removes-ms-13-gang-member-wanted-involvement-8-murders

Tell CNN and MSNBC to forward a check to TAAC for doing the journalism they refuse to do. :)
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Their pretty busy reporting on the audacity of Trump, using 3 exclamation marks at the end of his tweet late Wednesday. Illegal/Criminal immigrants that are a detriment to the nation are far from their concerns right now.
 
holbritter said:
Yeah, I don't think they will report ICE getting rid of approx. 221,000 criminals.
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"They" have reported many times that the Obama administration's priority was to remove criminals, and the data in the OP were all removals pre-Trump.

Do your own google search if you want. Here's an article: Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

As to the OP, there's nothing stupider than comments like this:

"Could it be that this little tid bit destroys the MSM/DNC myth that says good undocumented immigrants are being ripped from families, and deported by an uncaring American government?"

In fact a story about a gang member getting deported says NOTHING AT ALL about the other entirely different in every possible way story of other "undocumented immigrants being ripped from families," etc. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.
 
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