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    What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian hacking (everyone should read this)

    Everyone, both conservative and liberal, should read this.

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

    Like any orthodoxy worth its salt, the religion of the Russian hack depends not on evidence but on ex cathedra pronouncements on the part of authoritative institutions and their overlords. Its scriptural foundation is a confused and largely fact-free ‘assessment’ produced last January by a small number of ‘hand-picked’ analysts – as James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, described them – from the CIA, the FBI and the NSA. The claims of the last were made with only ‘moderate’ confidence. The label Intelligence Community Assessment creates a misleading impression of unanimity, given that only three of the 16 US intelligence agencies contributed to the report. And indeed the assessment itself contained this crucial admission: ‘Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation and precedents.’ Yet the assessment has passed into the media imagination as if it were unassailable fact, allowing journalists to assume what has yet to be proved. In doing so they serve as mouthpieces for the intelligence agencies, or at least for those ‘hand-picked’ analysts.

    It is not the first time the intelligence agencies have played this role. When I hear the Intelligence Community Assessment cited as a reliable source, I always recall the part played by the New York Times in legitimating CIA reports of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s putative weapons of mass destruction, not to mention the long history of disinformation (a.k.a. ‘fake news’) as a tactic for advancing one administration or another’s political agenda. Once again, the established press is legitimating pronouncements made by the Church Fathers of the national security state. Clapper is among the most vigorous of these. He perjured himself before Congress in 2013, when he denied that the NSA had ‘wittingly’ spied on Americans – a lie for which he has never been held to account. In May 2017, he told NBC’s Chuck Todd that the Russians were highly likely to have colluded with Trump’s campaign because they are ‘almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favour, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique’. The current orthodoxy exempts the Church Fathers from standards imposed on ordinary people, and condemns Russians – above all Putin – as uniquely, ‘almost genetically’ diabolical.
    Read ALL of it. It's quite the read.
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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

    Again, I urge EVERYONE to read this.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    Everyone, both conservative and liberal, should read this.

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking



    Read ALL of it. It's quite the read.


    Doesn't appear partisan, really very informative and well written. Certainly makes you stop and take a breath and actually THINK about it.

    Couple of things so far, that I hadn't realized the connections:

    the NSA ‘probably knows quite well who the invaders were’. And yet ‘it has not presented any evidence, although I suspect it exists. The question is: why not? … I suspect it discovered other attackers in the systems, maybe there were six or seven groups at work.’ The NSA’s capacity to follow hacking to its source is a matter of public record. When the agency investigated pervasive and successful Chinese hacking into US military and defence industry installations, it was able to trace the hacks to the building where they originated, a People’s Liberation Army facility in Shanghai. That information was published in the New York Times but, this time, the NSA’s failure to provide evidence has gone curiously unremarked.
    The name Fancy Bear was introduced by Dimitri Alperovitch, the chief technology officer of the cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike. Alperovitch is also a fellow at the Atlantic Council, an anti-Russian Washington think tank hired by the DNC to investigate the theft of their emails. In its report Crowdstrike puts forward close to zero evidence for its claim that those responsible were Russian, let alone for its assertion that they were affiliated with Russian military intelligence. And yet, from this point on, the assumption that this was a Russian cyber operation was unquestioned. When the FBI arrived on the scene, the Bureau either did not request or was refused access to the DNC servers; instead it depended entirely on the Crowdstrike analysis. Crowdstrike, meanwhile, was being forced to retract another claim, that the Russians had successfully hacked the guidance systems of the Ukrainian artillery. The Ukrainian military and the British International Institute for Strategic Studies both contradicted this claim, and Crowdstrike backed down. But its DNC analysis was allowed to stand and even become the basis for the January Intelligence Community Assessment.
    For the DNC, the great value of the Russian hack story is that it focuses attention away from what was actually in their emails. The documents revealed a deeply corrupt organisation, whose pose of impartiality was a sham. Even the reliably pro-Clinton Washington Post has admitted that ‘many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign.’ Further evidence of collusion between the Clinton machine and the DNC surfaced recently in a memoir by Donna Brazile, who became interim chair of the DNC after Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned in the wake of the email revelations. Brazile describes discovering an agreement dated 26 August 2015, which specified (she writes)
    that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics and mailings.
    Before the primaries had even begun, the supposedly neutral DNC – which had been close to insolvency – had been bought by the Clinton campaign.
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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

    Thanks, holbritter!

    I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Again, I think that everyone here, conservative and liberal, should read this.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    Everyone, both conservative and liberal, should read this.

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking



    Read ALL of it. It's quite the read.
    The Lurker:

    The Jackson Lear article was a good, informative and balanced presentation of the anti-informative, biased and authority-driven political narrative which is dominating America and consuming all the news oxygen of the electronic and print mainstream media. While based based in some limited facts and worthy of real investigative journalism and legal enquiry, the "Russia Story" has taken on a life of its own in America. Every time I watch an American mainstream news or news commentary show I am inundated with Russian Hacking opinion and authority but seldom get any facts or real evidence. Speculation, innuendo and fear-mongering dominate the news cycle while facts and evidence is sorely lacking. That Russia may have tried to influence the election and may have probed the electoral mechanisms of American democracy should come as no surprise to anyone not living under a rock. But the hysteria and the blind zealotry of those distorting this so far out of proportion betrays an irrational fear and woeful ignorance of a populace which buys into the story without any evidence or facts being presented.

    This Russian chaff eclipses the far more serious concerns of a Democratic Party which fixed its own nomination process to deny a popular and winnable candidate nomination while assuring the nomination of a candidate who was arguably unelectable. Meanwhile the Republican Party let its nomination process devolve into a tragic-comedy of corporatism, special interests, xenophobia and racism. This political train wreck produced another eminently unelectable nominee who was also completely unfit to hold the highest office in the land. The result was a nationwide political enema which flooded the country with political and ideological scat, unleashed blind populism and class-based rage and which poisoned US politics for the foreseeable future, making authoritarian politics that much more attractive to a jaded and exhausted body politic. The Russia story is providing the distraction needed to allow the US political elites to get off Scot-free for their incompetance and malfeasance in the last election cycle. That's the story the MSM should be covering in addition to determining the role of Russia in the last election, but the media, (print and television) are mute about American interference in their own election.

    Thanks for posting this article and have yourself a Merry Christmas either this week upcoming or in January.

    Cheers.
    Evilroddy.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking (everyone should read this)

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    The Lurker:

    The Jackson Lear article was a good, informative and balanced presentation of the anti-informative, biased and authority-driven political narrative which is dominating America and consuming all the news oxygen of the electronic and print mainstream media. While based based in some limited facts and worthy of real investigative journalism and legal enquiry, the "Russia Story" has taken on a life of its own in America. Every time I watch an American mainstream news or news commentary show I am inundated with Russian Hacking opinion and authority but seldom get any facts or real evidence. Speculation, innuendo and fear-mongering dominate the news cycle while facts and evidence is sorely lacking. That Russia may have tried to influence the election and may have probed the electoral mechanisms of American democracy should come as no surprise to anyone not living under a rock. But the hysteria and the blind zealotry of those distorting this so far out of proportion betrays an irrational fear and woeful ignorance of a populace which buys into the story without any evidence or facts being presented.

    This Russian chaff eclipses the far more serious concerns of a Democratic Party which fixed its own nomination process to deny a popular and winnable candidate nomination while assuring the nomination of a candidate who was arguably unelectable. Meanwhile the Republican Party let its nomination process devolve into a tragic-comedy of corporatism, special interests, xenophobia and racism. This political train wreck produced another eminently unelectable nominee who was also completely unfit to hold the highest office in the land. The result was a nationwide political enema which flooded the country with political and ideological scat, unleashed blind populism and class-based rage and which poisoned US politics for the foreseeable future, making authoritarian politics that much more attractive to a jaded and exhausted body politic. The Russia story is providing the distraction needed to allow the US political elites to get off Scot-free for their incompetance and malfeasance in the last election cycle. That's the story the MSM should be covering in addition to determining the role of Russia in the last election, but the media, (print and television) are mute about American interference in their own election.

    Thanks for posting this article and have yourself a Merry Christmas either this week upcoming or in January.

    Cheers.
    Evilroddy.
    Great post, Evilroddy. Although I would argue that Russia poses no threat to the United States and that both the United States and Russia should become allies.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian hacking (everyone should read this)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    Everyone, both conservative and liberal, should read this.

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking



    Read ALL of it. It's quite the read.
    Very good read. Written with balance while admitting a certain bias from the writer, which is perfectly acceptable to me because they tell me where they are coming from.

    This stood out:

    For the DNC, the great value of the Russian hack story is that it focuses attention away from what was actually in their emails. The documents revealed a deeply corrupt organisation, whose pose of impartiality was a sham. Even the reliably pro-Clinton Washington Post has admitted that ‘many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign.’
    That describes EXACTLY what the Russian nonsense is about. That's ONLY what it is about. Deflection from facing he truth.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian hacking (everyone should read this)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Very good read. Written with balance while admitting a certain bias from the writer, which is perfectly acceptable to me because they tell me where they are coming from.

    This stood out:



    That describes EXACTLY what the Russian nonsense is about. That's ONLY what it is about. Deflection from facing he truth.
    I believe that Russia and the United States should not be enemies. They should be allies. I would suggest The Putin Interviews by Oliver Stone.

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    Re: What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Russian hacking (everyone should read this)

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    I believe that Russia and the United States should not be enemies. They should be allies. I would suggest The Putin Interviews by Oliver Stone.
    I believe these kinds of meetings with Russia have been happening regularly since the 80s by everybody in Congress and certainly incoming administrations.

    This is a big ruse to distract from the horrible corruption those emails exposed.

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