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Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and how Conservatives

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Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

 
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I don't really consider this stuff news. It's obvious to anyone looking but good that people are talking about it

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Sorry, I can't take this seriously. Who here has the audacity to argue that Time Magazine having a picture of Bernie smiling is rock-solid evidence that the media has a bias towards progressives?

I mean, do you really want to go back and read what the media has said about Sanders and Warren over the past 3 years? How they refused to cover his campaign, how they repeated lies and slanders about Bernie and Warren without even fact-checking the claims? How they literally gave Trump 2 billion dollars in free air time, while they literally gave Sanders literally minutes of air time, if that, to Trumps tens of hours of coverage every week in 2015 and 2016?

But none of this matters, because Time Magazine gave a dozen nice front pages for Liberals and Progressives and a few not favorable headlines to some conservatives?

Yeah, whatever dude. 10/10, best argument ever.
 
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Sorry, I can't take this seriously. Who here has the audacity to argue that Time Magazine having a picture of Bernie smiling is rock-solid evidence that the media has a bias towards progressives?

I mean, do you really want to go back and read what the media has said about Sanders and Warren over the past 3 years? How they refused to cover his campaign, how they repeated lies and slanders about Bernie and Warren without even fact-checking the claims? How they literally gave Trump 2 billion dollars in free air time, while they literally gave Sanders literally minutes of air time, if that, to Trumps tens of hours of coverage every week in 2015 and 2016?

But none of this matters, because Time Magazine gave a dozen nice front pages for Liberals and Progressives and a few not favorable headlines to some conservatives?

Yeah, whatever dude. 10/10, best argument ever.
Feel free to show all the time covers portraying a republican positively.

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Sorry, I can't take this seriously. Who here has the audacity to argue that Time Magazine having a picture of Bernie smiling is rock-solid evidence that the media has a bias towards progressives?

Sure, ignore the whole and focus on one guy.
 
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Sure, ignore the whole and focus on one guy.

Dude, there's no conspiracy among the media, unless being corporate shills counts as a conspiracy. CNN bows to whoever is popular among the elite, Fox News bows to whoever is popular in the Right-wing elites, and MSNBC bows to whoever is in the Democratic elites. And then other corporate news outlets --be it print, TV, radio, or online-- have their own degrees of biases. Picking out one news outlet and showing a handful of covers and calling that a slam dunk argument that the media has a left-wing bias is just intellectually lazy.
 
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Feel free to show all the time covers portraying a republican positively.

Even if there wasn't a single cover on Time Magazine that positively displayed a Republican, it wouldn't prove that the media as a whole portrays progressives and Republicans differently. So no, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find the archives of the front covers of magazines and doing a statistical analysis on my subjective feelings towards it being favorable or disfavorable.
 
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I googled Reagan and Bush TIME Magazine and found some smiling photos. Does this guy not understand that people like Gingrich and Limbaugh are absolutely despised outside of a small circle of people?
 
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Dude, there's no conspiracy among the media, unless being corporate shills counts as a conspiracy. CNN bows to whoever is popular among the elite, Fox News bows to whoever is popular in the Right-wing elites, and MSNBC bows to whoever is in the Democratic elites. And then other corporate news outlets --be it print, TV, radio, or online-- have their own degrees of biases. Picking out one news outlet and showing a handful of covers and calling that a slam dunk argument that the media has a left-wing bias is just intellectually lazy.

So you're crying intellectually lazy while admitting media are in political partisan corners?

Fox is the only one that leans right. Everyone else leans toward the Democrats and this video illustrated especially Time Magazine's propensity to do that.
 
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I googled Reagan and Bush TIME Magazine and found some smiling photos. Does this guy not understand that people like Gingrich and Limbaugh are absolutely despised outside of a small circle of people?

Do you not understand that it's not the media's place to so bias their coverage? Your agreeing with it doesn't validate it.

Why did they put Limbaugh on the same cover with Stern? So as to draw a false equivalency.
 
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Do you not understand that it's not the media's place to so bias their coverage? Your agreeing with it doesn't validate it.

Why did they put Limbaugh on the same cover with Stern? So as to draw a false equivalency.

It's a magazine. There are tons of biased magazines. We don't hold them to the standard we should hold regular broadcast news to. You're right, Stern is much less extreme than Limbaugh.
 
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Even if there wasn't a single cover on Time Magazine that positively displayed a Republican, it wouldn't prove that the media as a whole portrays progressives and Republicans differently. So no, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find the archives of the front covers of magazines and doing a statistical analysis on my subjective feelings towards it being favorable or disfavorable.
You mean your not going to waste your time trying to produce something that does not exist. I don't know why some people want to pretend that it's not true when even the media themselves have become open about it. But I digress, the O.P. is specifically about Time and News Week. Let's keep our focus there and just leave it at them both being leftist rags that promote the left and disparages the right.

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If today's "conservatives" (they aren't) weren't such assholes (Trump/Ryan/McConnell/ etc) they would get more favorable coverage.

They create their own bad Karma.
 
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If today's "conservatives" (they aren't) weren't such assholes (Trump/Ryan/McConnell/ etc) they would get more favorable coverage.

They create their own bad Karma.

Yeah, right.

The analysts found 1,123 out of 1,228 statements made about the president on the “Big Three” news networks during September, October and November were critical of Mr. Trump. Only 105 of the statements were considered positive in tone or content.“As the Media Research Center has been documenting all year, the media have approached the Trump presidency with unrelenting hostility,” wrote Rich Noyes, director of research for the organization, which has found evidence of liberal bias against the White House in previous research this year.

“Even as the media whine about about Trump, their hostile coverage shows no let up. Our study of news in June, July and August found an identical rate of 91 percent negative coverage — which means TV news is unchanged in its hostility toward the president,” Mr. Noyes said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/12/media-bias-continues-90-of-trump-coverage-in-last-/


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Sep 22, 2017 - From Charlottesville to Hurricane Irma, the liberal media are determined to leverage the tragedy of the day to inflame the American people against President Trump. In Irma's wake, CNN decided to shift coverage from the hurricane's havoc to politics, attacking the president's stance on climate change.

If today's "conservatives" (they aren't) weren't such assholes (Trump/Ryan/McConnell/ etc) they would get more favorable coverage.

They create their own bad Karma.

You can chose to believe that if you wish, if you must, but it just happens not to be founded in fact.
 
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again, all this, just proves that conservatives are the true snowflakes...

want a tissue or a strong actually confident shoulder to cry on after you realize how weak and fake your "broad shouldered" leader actually is....
 
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I love the Conspiracy theorist. They must wear a diaper 24/7 as they seem to pee themselves over every little thing. Really all the media , the CIA, the FBI, everyone is lying except Trump. you guys kill me. Go join a cult and may I suggest a fine vintage kool aid. Bottom ups Con-servatives.
 
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And if monkeys could fly....we would have mail delivered for the price of a banana
 
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So you're crying intellectually lazy while admitting media are in political partisan corners?

Fox is the only one that leans right. Everyone else leans toward the Democrats and this video illustrated especially Time Magazine's propensity to do that.

I'm saying the article you quoted is intellectually lazy because while the media has biases, these biases are not uniform. Different outlets have different biases, and those biases aren't often even ideological. Most of the time it's partisan (so support the Republican/Democrat independent of what's occurring) or else pro-establishment and powerful people. Sometimes it's in favor of specific powerful people and their interests.

But yes, to say something as patently absurd as "the media has a left-wing bias" is intellectually lazy and, for that matter, wrong.
 
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You mean your not going to waste your time trying to produce something that does not exist. I don't know why some people want to pretend that it's not true when even the media themselves have become open about it. But I digress, the O.P. is specifically about Time and News Week. Let's keep our focus there and just leave it at them both being leftist rags that promote the left and disparages the right.

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No it isn't. The thesis is in the title, and it's the same thesis contained in the video: It's not about Time, but about "the media." That means news outlets broadly. If they meant just Time, the factually correct, intellectually honest title would be "Time Portrays Progressives and Conservatives Differently." But that doesn't support the "Feel sorry for me, the media doesn't like me and mine" tribalism that this thread is actually trying to promote, so a more audacious title was chosen.
 
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No it isn't. The thesis is in the title, and it's the same thesis contained in the video: It's not about Time, but about "the media." That means news outlets broadly. If they meant just Time, the factually correct, intellectually honest title would be "Time Portrays Progressives and Conservatives Differently." But that doesn't support the "Feel sorry for me, the media doesn't like me and mine" tribalism that this thread is actually trying to promote, so a more audacious title was chosen.
Time is a member of and represenitives of the media. The title isn't inaccurate but it may of been articulated better. It's intellectually dishonest for you to pretend that their is not a lopsided majority bias that's pro left in the media as it is equally as dishonest of the right to play the victimization card over it. They have fox, breitbart, rush, wash times, and others.

Objective journalism is a very rare thing to find nowadays. They do exist but they are hard to find. I don't know if your familiar with a guy by the name of Jamie Dupree. I find him to be pretty objective.

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I'm saying the article you quoted is intellectually lazy because while the media has biases, these biases are not uniform. Different outlets have different biases, and those biases aren't often even ideological. Most of the time it's partisan (so support the Republican/Democrat independent of what's occurring) or else pro-establishment and powerful people. Sometimes it's in favor of specific powerful people and their interests.

But yes, to say something as patently absurd as "the media has a left-wing bias" is intellectually lazy and, for that matter, wrong.


Yawn. Let's repeat: Fox is the only TV network that leans right. There are no major newspapers outside the Washington Times that lean right. While you're attacking what I posted, you've provided no source materials to your viewpoint outside of scorn.

More sources:

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

"Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter."



Journalist consensus: Media lean left

Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias.

On a Playbook Breakfast panel, the Times' Peter Baker and Mark Leibovich, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and CNN's Jake Tapper all said "yes" when asked if the news media lean left — though all agreed it was a nuanced issue having more to do with journalists' life experiences than with any particular agenda.

"Most of my colleagues, I have no idea what their politics are. ... But think about it: I live in northwest Washington, none of my neighbors are evangelical Christians, I don't know a lot of people in my kid's preschool who are pro-life," Leibovich said. "When you have conversations, at all the newspapers I've worked at, about politics — it doesn't happen often — but you see clues that there is absolutely a left-wing bias."



Conservatives Are Right: The Media Is Very Liberal

Back in 1971, Edith Efron outlined the pervasive bias of liberalism in the news media in her book The News Twisters. In the nearly 45 years since then, not much has changed. Yes, we have seen the rise of Fox News, America’s most watched cable news network. And there has been a proliferation of small conservative websites. But most Americans still get their news from television, and the ratings of network news broadcasts—the same organizations that conservatives claim have been biased for decades—triple the ratings of even Fox’s most popular programs.
 
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Time is a member of and represenitives of the media. The title isn't inaccurate but it may of been articulated better. It's intellectually dishonest for you to pretend that their is not a lopsided majority bias that's pro left in the media as it is equally as dishonest of the right to play the victimization card over it.

They aren't pro-Left. They certainly have specific biases that are shared by the Left --like hating Trump, tending to support multiculturalism, etc-- but it's just intellectually dishonest to pretend like that means they're "pro left."

If the media was actually "pro-Left" they would adore Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren --but the media broadly speaking despises them. That is honestly true even at "lefty" MSNBC, and the media certainly showed no love whatsoever for Sanders during his 2016 run. And if you bothered to explore, "Hey, why am I saying that the media has a Left-wing agenda/bias, even though there's these Left-wing figures that they love publicly flagellating or otherwise outright ignoring?" you may reconsider the statement you're making.

And that's because while the media has specific Left-wing biases, they also have a ton of Right-wing biases --they do not question corporate power (they actively represent corporate interests), they do not challenge income inequality, they nearly openly jerk off to US interventionism and war (they all bowed their heads to Bush when he started the illegitimate Iraq invasion), they are all wildly supportive of the Israeli occupation, they do not attack bankers under any circumstances, they all refuse to even cover candidates that they've determined are "too far Left" (or Libertarian, Green, Reform, etc) even though they covered far Right-wing Republicans like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz --and that's just scratching the surface.

The more honest thing to state is that the media has a "pro-Establishment bias." And the Establishment is made up of Democratic and Republican elites who have shared interests in perpetuating their own power and influence, cultivating and maintaining their sources of money, and warding off potential threats to these shared interests. They are Left-wing only insofar as it services them, and they are Right-wing only insofar as it services them. So they're okay if they can import cheap labor, and culturally they've largely agreed that they should be more respectful of other cultures and people --but they've also agreed they should all have lower taxes, Medicare-For-All is a joke, Social Security benefits should not be raised, and income inequality is never worth discussing publicly on air. Note that their notion of multiculturalism is exclusively concerned about how diverse the top 1% is, and they really couldn't care how diverse or well taken care of the bottom 99% is. So the same media that mocks Trump for banning Muslims and rounding up Mexicans is the very same media that thought it was "the first time he acted presidential" when he dropped the "mother of all bombs" on Afghanistan. It's also the same media that roasted Bernie Sanders and said, "I just can't stand that guy" live on national television without consequences.

So spare me this whole "The Media has a Left-wing bias" bull****.
 
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Yawn. Let's repeat: Fox is the only TV network that leans right. There are no major newspapers outside the Washington Times that lean right. While you're attacking what I posted, you've provided no source materials to your viewpoint outside of scorn.

More sources:

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

"Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter."



Journalist consensus: Media lean left

Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias.

On a Playbook Breakfast panel, the Times' Peter Baker and Mark Leibovich, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and CNN's Jake Tapper all said "yes" when asked if the news media lean left — though all agreed it was a nuanced issue having more to do with journalists' life experiences than with any particular agenda.

"Most of my colleagues, I have no idea what their politics are. ... But think about it: I live in northwest Washington, none of my neighbors are evangelical Christians, I don't know a lot of people in my kid's preschool who are pro-life," Leibovich said. "When you have conversations, at all the newspapers I've worked at, about politics — it doesn't happen often — but you see clues that there is absolutely a left-wing bias."



Conservatives Are Right: The Media Is Very Liberal

Back in 1971, Edith Efron outlined the pervasive bias of liberalism in the news media in her book The News Twisters. In the nearly 45 years since then, not much has changed. Yes, we have seen the rise of Fox News, America’s most watched cable news network. And there has been a proliferation of small conservative websites. But most Americans still get their news from television, and the ratings of network news broadcasts—the same organizations that conservatives claim have been biased for decades—triple the ratings of even Fox’s most popular programs.

You --and these sources-- are confusing partisanship with ideology. I'm talking about an actual Left-wing ideological bias which is in favor of Left-wing policies and values, and supporting the politicians and policymakers behind them. To reiterate my point, many of these sources are listing the Wall Street Journal as "left-wing." The Wall Street Journal is not ideologically "left-wing" under any coherent notion of "left-wing."

As I've said, many of the media elites support the pro-Establishment wing of the Democratic party (which they've pumped a lot of money into controlling), but that wing of the Democratic party is ideologically center-Right on economic issues and center-Left/center on social issues. Again, you should notice that this wing of the media also have uniform antipathy towards the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic party. It was pretty ****ing conspicious during the whole of 2015/2016/2017.
 
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