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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    You mean your not going to waste your time trying to produce something that does not exist. I don't know why some people want to pretend that it's not true when even the media themselves have become open about it. But I digress, the O.P. is specifically about Time and News Week. Let's keep our focus there and just leave it at them both being leftist rags that promote the left and disparages the right.

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    No it isn't. The thesis is in the title, and it's the same thesis contained in the video: It's not about Time, but about "the media." That means news outlets broadly. If they meant just Time, the factually correct, intellectually honest title would be "Time Portrays Progressives and Conservatives Differently." But that doesn't support the "Feel sorry for me, the media doesn't like me and mine" tribalism that this thread is actually trying to promote, so a more audacious title was chosen.
    "The question is whether privileged elites should dominate mass-communication and should use this power, as they tell us they must [to] manipulate and deceive the 'stupid majority', and remove them from the public arena. The question, in brief, is whether Democracy and Freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided." --Chomsky

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    No it isn't. The thesis is in the title, and it's the same thesis contained in the video: It's not about Time, but about "the media." That means news outlets broadly. If they meant just Time, the factually correct, intellectually honest title would be "Time Portrays Progressives and Conservatives Differently." But that doesn't support the "Feel sorry for me, the media doesn't like me and mine" tribalism that this thread is actually trying to promote, so a more audacious title was chosen.
    Time is a member of and represenitives of the media. The title isn't inaccurate but it may of been articulated better. It's intellectually dishonest for you to pretend that their is not a lopsided majority bias that's pro left in the media as it is equally as dishonest of the right to play the victimization card over it. They have fox, breitbart, rush, wash times, and others.

    Objective journalism is a very rare thing to find nowadays. They do exist but they are hard to find. I don't know if your familiar with a guy by the name of Jamie Dupree. I find him to be pretty objective.

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    I'm saying the article you quoted is intellectually lazy because while the media has biases, these biases are not uniform. Different outlets have different biases, and those biases aren't often even ideological. Most of the time it's partisan (so support the Republican/Democrat independent of what's occurring) or else pro-establishment and powerful people. Sometimes it's in favor of specific powerful people and their interests.

    But yes, to say something as patently absurd as "the media has a left-wing bias" is intellectually lazy and, for that matter, wrong.

    Yawn. Let's repeat: Fox is the only TV network that leans right. There are no major newspapers outside the Washington Times that lean right. While you're attacking what I posted, you've provided no source materials to your viewpoint outside of scorn.

    More sources:

    Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

    "Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter."



    Journalist consensus: Media lean left

    Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias.

    On a Playbook Breakfast panel, the Times' Peter Baker and Mark Leibovich, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and CNN's Jake Tapper all said "yes" when asked if the news media lean left — though all agreed it was a nuanced issue having more to do with journalists' life experiences than with any particular agenda.

    "Most of my colleagues, I have no idea what their politics are. ... But think about it: I live in northwest Washington, none of my neighbors are evangelical Christians, I don't know a lot of people in my kid's preschool who are pro-life," Leibovich said. "When you have conversations, at all the newspapers I've worked at, about politics — it doesn't happen often — but you see clues that there is absolutely a left-wing bias."



    Conservatives Are Right: The Media Is Very Liberal

    Back in 1971, Edith Efron outlined the pervasive bias of liberalism in the news media in her book The News Twisters. In the nearly 45 years since then, not much has changed. Yes, we have seen the rise of Fox News, America’s most watched cable news network. And there has been a proliferation of small conservative websites. But most Americans still get their news from television, and the ratings of network news broadcasts—the same organizations that conservatives claim have been biased for decades—triple the ratings of even Fox’s most popular programs.

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Time is a member of and represenitives of the media. The title isn't inaccurate but it may of been articulated better. It's intellectually dishonest for you to pretend that their is not a lopsided majority bias that's pro left in the media as it is equally as dishonest of the right to play the victimization card over it.
    They aren't pro-Left. They certainly have specific biases that are shared by the Left --like hating Trump, tending to support multiculturalism, etc-- but it's just intellectually dishonest to pretend like that means they're "pro left."

    If the media was actually "pro-Left" they would adore Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren --but the media broadly speaking despises them. That is honestly true even at "lefty" MSNBC, and the media certainly showed no love whatsoever for Sanders during his 2016 run. And if you bothered to explore, "Hey, why am I saying that the media has a Left-wing agenda/bias, even though there's these Left-wing figures that they love publicly flagellating or otherwise outright ignoring?" you may reconsider the statement you're making.

    And that's because while the media has specific Left-wing biases, they also have a ton of Right-wing biases --they do not question corporate power (they actively represent corporate interests), they do not challenge income inequality, they nearly openly jerk off to US interventionism and war (they all bowed their heads to Bush when he started the illegitimate Iraq invasion), they are all wildly supportive of the Israeli occupation, they do not attack bankers under any circumstances, they all refuse to even cover candidates that they've determined are "too far Left" (or Libertarian, Green, Reform, etc) even though they covered far Right-wing Republicans like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz --and that's just scratching the surface.

    The more honest thing to state is that the media has a "pro-Establishment bias." And the Establishment is made up of Democratic and Republican elites who have shared interests in perpetuating their own power and influence, cultivating and maintaining their sources of money, and warding off potential threats to these shared interests. They are Left-wing only insofar as it services them, and they are Right-wing only insofar as it services them. So they're okay if they can import cheap labor, and culturally they've largely agreed that they should be more respectful of other cultures and people --but they've also agreed they should all have lower taxes, Medicare-For-All is a joke, Social Security benefits should not be raised, and income inequality is never worth discussing publicly on air. Note that their notion of multiculturalism is exclusively concerned about how diverse the top 1% is, and they really couldn't care how diverse or well taken care of the bottom 99% is. So the same media that mocks Trump for banning Muslims and rounding up Mexicans is the very same media that thought it was "the first time he acted presidential" when he dropped the "mother of all bombs" on Afghanistan. It's also the same media that roasted Bernie Sanders and said, "I just can't stand that guy" live on national television without consequences.

    So spare me this whole "The Media has a Left-wing bias" bull****.
    "The question is whether privileged elites should dominate mass-communication and should use this power, as they tell us they must [to] manipulate and deceive the 'stupid majority', and remove them from the public arena. The question, in brief, is whether Democracy and Freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided." --Chomsky

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by worksforpigs View Post
    Yawn. Let's repeat: Fox is the only TV network that leans right. There are no major newspapers outside the Washington Times that lean right. While you're attacking what I posted, you've provided no source materials to your viewpoint outside of scorn.

    More sources:

    Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

    "Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter."



    Journalist consensus: Media lean left

    Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias.

    On a Playbook Breakfast panel, the Times' Peter Baker and Mark Leibovich, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and CNN's Jake Tapper all said "yes" when asked if the news media lean left — though all agreed it was a nuanced issue having more to do with journalists' life experiences than with any particular agenda.

    "Most of my colleagues, I have no idea what their politics are. ... But think about it: I live in northwest Washington, none of my neighbors are evangelical Christians, I don't know a lot of people in my kid's preschool who are pro-life," Leibovich said. "When you have conversations, at all the newspapers I've worked at, about politics — it doesn't happen often — but you see clues that there is absolutely a left-wing bias."



    Conservatives Are Right: The Media Is Very Liberal

    Back in 1971, Edith Efron outlined the pervasive bias of liberalism in the news media in her book The News Twisters. In the nearly 45 years since then, not much has changed. Yes, we have seen the rise of Fox News, America’s most watched cable news network. And there has been a proliferation of small conservative websites. But most Americans still get their news from television, and the ratings of network news broadcasts—the same organizations that conservatives claim have been biased for decades—triple the ratings of even Fox’s most popular programs.
    You --and these sources-- are confusing partisanship with ideology. I'm talking about an actual Left-wing ideological bias which is in favor of Left-wing policies and values, and supporting the politicians and policymakers behind them. To reiterate my point, many of these sources are listing the Wall Street Journal as "left-wing." The Wall Street Journal is not ideologically "left-wing" under any coherent notion of "left-wing."

    As I've said, many of the media elites support the pro-Establishment wing of the Democratic party (which they've pumped a lot of money into controlling), but that wing of the Democratic party is ideologically center-Right on economic issues and center-Left/center on social issues. Again, you should notice that this wing of the media also have uniform antipathy towards the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic party. It was pretty ****ing conspicious during the whole of 2015/2016/2017.
    "The question is whether privileged elites should dominate mass-communication and should use this power, as they tell us they must [to] manipulate and deceive the 'stupid majority', and remove them from the public arena. The question, in brief, is whether Democracy and Freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided." --Chomsky

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    You --and these sources-- are confusing partisanship with ideology. I'm talking about an actual Left-wing ideological bias which is in favor of Left-wing policies and values, and supporting the politicians and policymakers behind them. To reiterate my point, many of these sources are listing the Wall Street Journal as "left-wing." The Wall Street Journal is not ideologically "left-wing" under any coherent notion of "left-wing."
    These sources do have left wing ideological bias - they just aren't as left wing as you are. The latest example is the mainstream media - predictably excluding right-of-center Fox News - are categorically refusing to cover the Obama/Hizbollah scandal. Obama was a neo-Marxist in many respects and the media are continuing to cover for him. They do this while making viral coverage speculating about whether or not Trump's latest tweet is going to start WWIII.

    I understand your argument completely. When I was a Marxist, I viewed Democrats as right wing, Republican Lite.

    As I've said, many of the media elites support the pro-Establishment wing of the Democratic party (which they've pumped a lot of money into controlling), but that wing of the Democratic party is ideologically center-Right on economic issues and center-Left/center on social issues. Again, you should notice that this wing of the media also have uniform antipathy towards the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic party. It was pretty ****ing conspicious during the whole of 2015/2016/2017.
    So basically you're trying to split hairs about what constitutes liberalism while you're admitting that many media elites do in fact support the Democrats. You're essentially disagreeing with my argument while agreeing with it and reiterating it.

    You've noticed what I've noticed in essence: That the media is not only heavily skewed toward the left, but specifically on social issues. Trashing Christianity-influenced culture, pushing alternative lifestyles and puking on the traditional family is well beyond "center left" and is in the territory of classical Marxism.

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    So spare me this whole "The Media has a Left-wing bias" bull****.
    You mean leftist anticapitalist bias. There is a variety of left wing view points outside of anticapitalism.

    There are many overlapping biases in the media with left wing movements that the media shares. Fixating on the economic aspect of it doesn't void the rest of it.

    The Democratic Party is moving continuously farther left as time goes on.

    The Democrats declared 1983 the "Year of the Bible" and are now going out of their way to avoid mentioning God in their conventions while many of their number openly crap on Christians. There was a time when Democrats were against gay marriage and for the traditional family unit. Now they go out of their way to support LGBT anything and take feminist dumps on traditional families.

    There was a time when Democrats were pro-blue collar American and as part of that, were against mass immigration so as to protect US wages and opportunities. Now they smear American workers against open borders as xenophobes and look to import millions of future voters to as to make the US a one-party state.
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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Feel free to show all the time covers portraying a republican positively.

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    See Time + Reagan, HW Bush and W, in case you never heard of them.

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by worksforpigs View Post
    You mean leftist anticapitalist bias. There is a variety of left wing view points outside of anticapitalism.

    There are many overlapping biases in the media with left wing movements that the media shares. Fixating on the economic aspect of it doesn't void the rest of it.

    The Democratic Party is moving continuously farther left as time goes on.

    The Democrats declared 1983 the "Year of the Bible" and are now going out of their way to avoid mentioning God in their conventions while many of their number openly crap on Christians. There was a time when Democrats were against gay marriage and for the traditional family unit. Now they go out of their way to support LGBT anything and take feminist dumps on traditional families.

    There was a time when Democrats were pro-blue collar American and as part of that, were against mass immigration so as to protect US wages and opportunities. Now they smear American workers against open borders as xenophobes and look to import millions of future voters to as to make the US a one-party state.
    Oh, for Christ's sake. This post is such rubbish.

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    Re: Ron Robinson: How the Media Portrays Progressives and Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Oh, for Christ's sake. This post is such rubbish.
    I admire your highly substantive post.

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