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Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

cpwill said:
.... With very wide boundaries. Perhaps if he went after Alex Jones, Breitbart, or Hannity, he might lose some followers.
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He would not do that though, he knows where his bread is buttered. This is what I am talking about, the same defenses Hannity used for Bush, he is using for Trump. People have forgotten. The Trump phenomenon is created by the same forces that propped up Bush.
 
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Mycroft said:
He takes responsibility for everything he does...whether it's signing an executive order, talking to Congressmen or foreign leaders, or even trolling and tweaking the Mainstream Media.

Your turn...
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True he likes to have his picture taken holding up the executive orders, except of course when he forgets to sign them.. But that aside he has had a few unfortunate encounters with foreign leaders...Australia, Canada, England, London, Germany, the Vatican, just to name a few. (Not to mention his devotion to Putin) Of course there are the Senators that he chooses to belittle publicly, his prior competitors that he can not be graceful toward, his predecessors who he insults whenever he feels the need, the many people who have resigned from positions in his administration, and government employees who have resigned rather than work with him. The treaties he has negated without the least understanding of how that puts our country in a disadvantaged position. Elevating family members to "presidential advisors" as if they have a clue about anything they are doing. And do not forget his personal attacks on private citizens who have the temerity to suggest that he is less than gracious in his dealings with them. The man has made a reputation of never stepping back, never admitting a mistake, never apologizing for anything, and always hitting back. There's plenty more ...but maybe you can have a turn to point out one thing he has ever acknowledged as something he should have done differently (and his sarcastic suggestions do not count.)
 
Fiddytree said:
Wanna start with the highly-unusual turnover rate of his appointees? Normally folks start leaving after one year mark and the higher positions change out after 3-4 years in a two term administration.

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Why would you think that's a mistake?
 
Yes_Minister said:
I think you asked me that question before and my response was "are you going to say any mistake I bring up is fake news?'' I stand by that response.

Do you think Trump is perfect? I know you are say no and you are going to jump down my throat about any example you don't like being "fake news", so let me ask you a real question, do you think he has made any mistakes? Also please give me a real answer, not some hyper partisan "he trusted the establishment Republicans too much" or "he didn't get rid of Obama's civil servants fast enough", can you think of a real human mistake he has made and did he take responsibility for it?
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shrug...

Fact is, he did make a mistake about the GOP Elites. But he learned about that mistake very quickly. Now they are the ones who are in a tight spot.

The Obama civil servants is another matter, though. Because of government service employment rules, he simply couldn't get rid of those Obama guys easily. The best he's been able to do is induce them to self-evict or wait for them to make a mistake he can fire them for.

But no...I don't know of any other mistakes.

So...again...back to you: What mistakes has he made?

And save us both the trouble of me having to dismiss whatever you come up with as fake crap by citing actual mistakes...not the spin, speculation, innuendo and outright lies the Mainstream Media's been feeding you.
 
JMR said:
True he likes to have his picture taken holding up the executive orders, except of course when he forgets to sign them.. But that aside he has had a few unfortunate encounters with foreign leaders...Australia, Canada, England, London, Germany, the Vatican, just to name a few. (Not to mention his devotion to Putin) Of course there are the Senators that he chooses to belittle publicly, his prior competitors that he can not be graceful toward, his predecessors who he insults whenever he feels the need, the many people who have resigned from positions in his administration, and government employees who have resigned rather than work with him. The treaties he has negated without the least understanding of how that puts our country in a disadvantaged position. Elevating family members to "presidential advisors" as if they have a clue about anything they are doing. And do not forget his personal attacks on private citizens who have the temerity to suggest that he is less than gracious in his dealings with them. The man has made a reputation of never stepping back, never admitting a mistake, never apologizing for anything, and always hitting back. There's plenty more ...but maybe you can have a turn to point out one thing he has ever acknowledged as something he should have done differently (and his sarcastic suggestions do not count.)
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I can certainly understand you not liking any of that stuff, but what makes you think they were mistakes? Come on...give me facts. Not your opinion.
 
Mycroft said:
Why would you think that's a mistake?
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Most of his appointees were terrible picks to begin with, and what has come since any departures hasn't exactly inspired confidence? I'm excluding Chao, Mattis, Kelly, Haley, and to some extent McMaster. It creates a very real sense of incompetence at worst, and chaos at best. Let's take a few of the leftovers. Tillerson's administration of State is beyond God awful (but thankfully has some measure of interest in keeping us from unnecessary war), Carson doesn't know what the hell he is doing and as a result neither does HUD, DeVos' incompetence leaves her almost utterly hopeless in shaping public ed policy (save for the careerists at Ed and some of the Assistant Secretaries finally being appointed), Mnuchin is a walking PR disaster, Sessions is left being a placeholder almost no one wants, Zinke becomes a punch line with travel expenditure scandal and gets caught with his pants down trying to shake down a prominent Senator for a critical vote on a healthcare bill....and then there's his ****ing kids and Boy Wonder, who seem to serve no purpose other than a government pay check and an inevitable let down to any negotiation or bill amendment.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Most of his appointees were terrible picks to begin with, and what has come since any departures hasn't exactly inspired confidence? I'm excluding Chao, Mattis, Kelly, Haley, and to some extent McMaster. It creates a very real sense of incompetence at worst, and chaos at best. Let's take a few of the leftovers. Tillerson's administration of State is beyond God awful (but thankfully has some measure of interest in keeping us from unnecessary war), Carson doesn't know what the hell he is doing and as a result neither does HUD, DeVos' incompetence leaves her almost utterly hopeless in shaping public ed policy (save for the careerists at Ed and some of the Assistant Secretaries finally being appointed), Mnuchin is a walking PR disaster, Sessions is left being a placeholder almost no one wants, Zinke becomes a punch line with travel expenditure scandal and gets caught with his pants down trying to shake down a prominent Senator for a critical vote on a healthcare bill....and then there's his ****ing kids and Boy Wonder, who seem to serve no purpose other than a government pay check and an inevitable let down to any negotiation or bill amendment.
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Every single person you mentioned is doing the job Trump hired them to do. Your opinion about how they are doing is irrelevant. Trump's opinion is the only one that matters. If Trump decides he doesn't like what any of them are doing, he'll fire them and get someone else. But, if that happens it cannot be classified as a mistake. It's just a case of someone not doing their job to his satisfaction.

That's the way it happens in business all the time. That's the way it is in government...now. You might not like it...too bad.
 
Mycroft said:
Every single person you mentioned is doing the job Trump hired them to do. Your opinion about how they are doing is irrelevant. Trump's opinion is the only one that matters. If Trump decides he doesn't like what any of them are doing, he'll fire them and get someone else. But, if that happens it cannot be classified as a mistake. It's just a case of someone not doing their job to his satisfaction.

That's the way it happens in business all the time. That's the way it is in government...now. You might not like it...too bad.
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If Trump doesn't know what someone's job description is, I'm supposed to take that as confidence that it's all according to plan? Even still, the man's plan is to place incompetent, unsuccessful managers and policymakers in high positions of power? I guess your definition of good government is **** government.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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I still recall in the first month of his presidency, he tweeted, "Wake up America", in regard to a Muslim event at the Louvre in Paris. A day later, a former Navy man, shot two dark-skinned Indian Engineers in Olathe, KS, killing one, while yelling, "Get out of my country".

Similar actions since this time, show that Trump has no accountability.
 
Yes to the first.
But I don't think most of his supporters really understand "create an environment of zero accountability".
That's elitist speak, they lose interest at "environment" and the say a little prayer that Scott Pruitt is gutting the EPA, and then they just fall back to MAGA!
If pressed and they had a moment where they were lucid, they would point out that for their side there is not and never has been or will be this..."accountability".
It's 100% politics to them. The ideals, the ethics, the morals, the truth, entirely irrelevant since it's all about winning/losing via politics.
 
Fiddytree said:
Did you know how the NFL’s popularity evolved over the last year? It was doing fine and then tanked as soon as the President tweeted against it.

Yes, his supporters believe anything, because they belong to a personality cult.


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Followers gonna follow. It in their genes.

Dopamine is a helluva drug.

Liberals have the same problem.

And bald Manipulation of this phenomenon is why we can't have nice things.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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No, the lies, and the failure to report the truth by the msm were clearly recognized by educated people long before Trump.
 
Mycroft said:
What kind of people???

People who prefer straight talk instead of homogenized, focus group tested babble that nobody in their right mind takes seriously.
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Trump got elected by simply repeating focus group tested words and concepts over and over again.

So, no.
 
What if...? said:
Trump got elected by simply repeating focus group tested words and concepts over and over again.

So, no.
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Focus groups???

That's the balliwick of the establishment.
 
ChezC3 said:
He probably already holds that title.

Over-exaggeration (which is what the man is prone to do) isn't a lie. Not unless you've gone bat**** crazy and are frantic, spending sleepless hours picking the finest of nits. (which is what the Unthinking Left, the Rarely Right, and the I Will Never Believe a God Damn Word That Comes Out of Their Mouths Media are prone to do)

"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky"

"There are WMD's in Iraq"

Now those are lies.
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Yes, they are. There are many examples throughout history of lies told from the White House. Trump, though, has set some sort of record. Here are several told in just one speech given in Arizona, just one!

Example, starting with the first sentence out of his mouth:

1. "And just so you know from the Secret Service, there aren't too many people outside protesting, OK. That I can tell you."
This is, literally, the first line of his speech. Trump is obsessed with the idea that the opposition to him is overstated while the support for him is understated. (They won't turn the cameras around and show the size of my crowds!) CNN's Saba Hamedy, who was on the scene of the protests,
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Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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The media is working it's ass off to prove him right. Maybe you oughta talk to them?
 
Mycroft said:
Focus groups???

That's the balliwick of the establishment.
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Sure.

And "job creator" wasn't focus grouped by frank luntz.

Trump just repeated all the things conservatives have been conditioned to irrationally hate.

Which he learned from the same sources.

And gets the same neurochemical buzz from.

So he and his followers were wallowing in a dopamine(and other neurochemical) buzz and it got him elected.
 
What if...? said:
Sure.

And "job creator" wasn't focus grouped by frank luntz.

Trump just repeated all the things conservatives have been conditioned to irrationally hate.

Which he learned from the same sources.

And gets the same neurochemical buzz from.

So he and his followers were wallowing in a dopamine(and other neurochemical) buzz and it got him elected.
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???

Are you saying Trump hired Luntz? Did he do that before...or after...he presented his campaign positions?

Oh...wait...you don't even know what Trump's campaign positions were, do you?
 
apdst said:
The media is working it's ass off to prove him right. Maybe you oughta talk to them?
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So what, everything Trump is true and everything a critic says is wrong? Do you want Trump to be a king? Because you are giving the same level of accountability a monarch would have in a feudal kingdom.
 
Yes_Minister said:
So what, everything Trump is true and everything a critic says is wrong? Do you want Trump to be a king? Because you are giving the same level of accountability a monarch would have in a feudal kingdom.
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Not everything, but they get it wrong a lot. Especially over the past year.

The AT's in the press cocked up four different stories last week.
 
I knew that Trump supporters were very disturbed and frightening people the day this happened;

Reality Check: No assassination attempt - CNNPolitics

At one point during the rally, Austyn Crites, a registered Republican who is supporting Hillary Clinton, made his way towards the front of the crowd. He then silently held up a sign that read, "Republicans against Trump." A scuffle broke out as Trump supporters began pummeling him and attempted to rip the sign away. During the melee, someone yelled, "gun!" This prompted Trump's Secret Service protective squadron to immediately rush the candidate off-stage.

The Secret Service quickly handcuffed Crites and led him away. But, after searching him, they found no weapon, and he was released after brief questioning. The Secret Service also noted that those attending the rallies of major presidential candidates must go through metal detectors.

The agents brought Trump back on stage and the rally continued. Thanking the Secret Service, Trump said, "Nobody said it was going to be easy for us. But we will never be stopped."

Yet, several of his supporters went further, tweeting that their candidate had just survived an attempt to kill him.

That night, Dan Scavino, the candidate's social media aide and Trump's son, Donald, Jr, retweeted this from a Trump supporter: "Hillary ran away from rain today. Trump back on stage minutes after assassination attempt."
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Never-mind the beating of a person exercising their first amendment right. Trumpers should be ashamed.

You know, Theodore Roosevelt was actually shot during a speech and kept going, Trump scampered off the stage like *****.

When Teddy Roosevelt Was Shot in 1912, a Speech May Have Saved His Life - History in the Headlines
 
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apdst said:
Not everything, but they get it wrong a lot. Especially over the past year.

The AT's in the press cocked up four different stories last week.
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But how do you know when Trump claims something is fake news, if he is correct or not? If you always assume he is correct in that regard, can Trump say anything and you will believe it?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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Its not the fault of Trump supporters that the media has abandoned all pretense of objectivity. So when news outlets like CNN and news anchors like Brian Ross stop reporting lies, like CNNs story about Wikileaks and Trump Jr, Trumps supporters will stop calling them " Fake news "

Email pointed Trump campaign to WikiLeaks documents
Email pointed Trump campaign to WikiLeaks documents - CNNPolitics
 
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