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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
    Amongst the core supporters (I'd guess roughly 15% of voters), yeah, there's zero credulity. They want to be told what is and isn't true, and they want to submit themselves to a "great leader" figure. That's the core of an authoritarian mindset. They feel threatened, and their fear and blind rage have basically turned them into wrecking balls that won't stop wrecking until they're sure they've destroyed "the enemy." They don't seem to agree what the enemy is (largely the "globalists" and the decedent rich liberals, brown immigrants, blacks, women, gays, trans, and "communist liberals" that support them), but it doesn't seem to matter since Trump really only sold himself as a wrecking ball. And they'll keep on swinging him around until they've destroyed all of America, if we let them.
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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Wow...you got it bad...

    "they have given away their freedom"!!

    "If Trump does make a real big mistake..."!!

    "then the US will suffer a huge decline..."

    The hyperbole here is rampant and noxious.

    Look...if Trump makes a "big mistake", then he'll deal with it. This stuff he's calling fake news is just that...fake news. Furthermore, we've seen lots of Presidents make lots of mistakes. The world didn't end. It won't end if Trump makes a mistake.
    I did not say that would happen, I said could happen, maybe your right, he will do a fine a job and everything will be great, but I have my doubts.

    If you don't think a President can make a big mistake that cause real damage, let's examine one mistake a President made, that Trump thinks is a mistake, the Iraq War. Bush the US would find WMDs, Cheney said fighting would end in 6 months and that Iraq would be a functional democracy in short order, none of that happened and Bush brushed off any criticism as "liberal bias" and guys like Sean Hannity said it was the patriotic duty to support the President in a time of war, so a lot of people gave him a pass. So a lot of Americans died in that war, a lot of Iraqis died in that war, a lot money was wasted on that war and it created a power vacuum that helped create ISIS and now Sean Hannity is promoting the same attitude towards Trump that promoted with Bush, so does being part of the Republican base means giving a free pass to Republican Presidents? If Trump makes a similar mistake, does he get a free pass?

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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    If Trump makes a similar mistake, does he get a free pass?
    Nope.
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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    Pleeeeze. I doubt you even believe what you post.
    No it's absolutely true. I didn't think you were capable of stringing together words into sentences, much less semi-coherent paragraphs. Did you copy and paste from a Trump campaign website?


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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    I did not say that would happen, I said could happen, maybe your right, he will do a fine a job and everything will be great, but I have my doubts.

    If you don't think a President can make a big mistake that cause real damage, let's examine one mistake a President made, that Trump thinks is a mistake, the Iraq War. Bush the US would find WMDs, Cheney said fighting would end in 6 months and that Iraq would be a functional democracy in short order, none of that happened and Bush brushed off any criticism as "liberal bias" and guys like Sean Hannity said it was the patriotic duty to support the President in a time of war, so a lot of people gave him a pass. So a lot of Americans died in that war, a lot of Iraqis died in that war, a lot money was wasted on that war and it created a power vacuum that helped create ISIS and now Sean Hannity is promoting the same attitude towards Trump that promoted with Bush, so does being part of the Republican base means giving a free pass to Republican Presidents? If Trump makes a similar mistake, does he get a free pass?
    Don't be silly. He never makes a mistake.


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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
    Sure he can. It's up to the media to report things as accurately as possible to where their articles are indisputable. Still, I think at this point Walter Cronkite could come from the dead and report a story on Pres. Trump that is 120% prove positive that he's wrong and many of his supporters will still call Cronkite a liar and he was considered one of if not the most honest man in journalism in his day.
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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Nope.
    Alright, I hope you are right. But I do think there some parallels between Bush and Trump.

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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Alright, I hope you are right. But I do think there some parallels between Bush and Trump.
    Bush and Trump are completely different from each other.
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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Did you know how the NFL’s popularity evolved over the last year? It was doing fine and then tanked as soon as the President tweeted against it.

    Yes, his supporters believe anything, because they belong to a personality cult.


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    Re: Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    Amongst the core supporters (I'd guess roughly 15% of voters), yeah, there's zero credulity. They want to be told what is and isn't true, and they want to submit themselves to a "great leader" figure. That's the core of an authoritarian mindset. They feel threatened, and their fear and blind rage have basically turned them into wrecking balls that won't stop wrecking until they're sure they've destroyed "the enemy." They don't seem to agree what the enemy is (largely the "globalists" and the decedent rich liberals, brown immigrants, blacks, women, gays, trans, and "communist liberals" that support them), but it doesn't seem to matter since Trump really only sold himself as a wrecking ball. And they'll keep on swinging him around until they've destroyed all of America, if we let them.
    15% is probably too low. W’s popularity rating was in the mid-20s at the end of his tenure. I would say he has at least a quarter or more of the American voters in his pocket for better or for worse.


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