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Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?

Moon said:
The media is not, and should not, be immune from accountability for what they report. Challenging them for shoddy reporting is a good thing, and isn't abridging anyone's free speech.
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Well if they find collusion and successfully prosecute the people involved then I am sure you will call for Trump to applegize.
 
Conservatives give me a list of the media printing or reporting a wrong story without a retraction and Liberals lets counter that with the myriad of reporting that was non factual on the Right. We can start with the years of Obama was born in Kenya......your serve.
 
Fraggle Rock said:
Conservatives give me a list of the media printing or reporting a wrong story without a retraction and Liberals lets counter that with the myriad of reporting that was non factual on the Right. We can start with the years of Obama was born in Kenya......your serve.
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I think the fact so many retractions have to be submitted shows the media bias OR the fact they are more interested in readers than truth. This goes for both conservative and liberal media. Just realize the reason they print retractions is because someone was questioning their facts.

Secondly we need to separate news “commentary” from news reports. Rachel Maddow and Hannity are both commentators not the “news cast” of either network. I expect both of them to be biased but also think some stories they bring to light are worth looking into.

Lastly I think retractions should appear on the same page or time segment as the original story with a retraction “headline” using the same font as the original story of in print. Most people adopt a narrative and the retraction never kills the false narrative created. The Kenya story For example, which I believe was perpetrated by Democrats, never went away. The false narrative got stuck.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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Can CNN publish whatever they want and Trump's rabid haters not believe it?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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Do you have an example?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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Sounds like the Obama administration. Wow.
 
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American said:
Sounds like the Obama administration. Wow.
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That sounds like what aboutism. I think anyone who demands zero accountability from political leaders is a fool, no matter what party they are in.
 
Yes_Minister said:
How many times has Trump declared something as fake news and how many times have you accepted without question and how many times have you decided look into what Trump has declared fake news and see whether ge us right or not.

You want me to give examples of stuff he does all the time? Fine, here is a google search, knock yourself out:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=trum...wsKDYAhUM54MKHe7HBTYQ_AUIEigC&biw=360&bih=560
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I was hoping for a knowledgable response that showed you might be basing you post on something. Anything.

You're not my first disappointment.
 
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it?
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We are talking about a morally-decrepit, a womanizer and an adulterer, military-bashing, politician-buying, and silver-spooned elite, who merely had to attach slogans around the mindless hate that the GOP and Fox News had been responsible for for eight years, for a supposed morally-sound, family-valued, military-supporting, and Christian constituent base, which professed to be sick of the politically elite, to cheer enthusiastically for him.

It's not too much of a reach to consider that, with conservatives rebuking an entire planet's worth of scientists, who kept insisting that Global Warming was not a hoax, it is fairly easy to pass off all inconveniences and any negative press as "fake news" and expect exactly the Conservative reaction he gets. Trump rode to Washington on a bitter wave of hate and he maintains his status among the faithful through hateful Tweets and poor behavior. He calls out for "help" to his faithful during this exhausting investigation. He arbitrarily reminds them that they hate Clinton and Liberals. His insults and taunts towards global leaders and other nations is encouraged by how much fun his faithful are having. Our allies and enemies line up together to condemn us and the faithful merely cheer louder. Running his mouth about ongoing investigations in other countries and revealing international intel to even enemies has left us globally untrustworthy (for the moment) and the faithful merely shrug and create excuses. He has opened the door completely for Russia, China, and the EU to assume our former leadership roles and the faithful love it. The irrational hate runs so deep that it is as if so many years of declaring that Obama was secretly trying to destroy America has led to the faithful looking for Trump to actually do it so that Obama can't get the credit.


The man has become a false god for many of them in the same way that they ignore certain scriptures in order to cling to an illusion. Through Trump, many have created for themselves a whole new identity, which means criticism towards Trump is criticism towards them. They don't even know how they feel about Putin one week to the next because Trump is inconsistent. There was a time that a Soviet/Russian leader was the consistent bad guy or even "evil." Of course, that was just under every President from Truman to Obama. So, if Trump declared that Jeffrey Dahmer was actually a good guy and that the "fake news" had led Americans astray, the faithful would start wearing Dahmer t-shirts in tribute.

The whole thing is actually quite entertaining to watch. And I must admit, that was fun to write.
 
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code1211 said:
I was hoping for a knowledgable response that showed you might be basing you post on something. Anything.

You're not my first disappointment.
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You are missing the point of this thread, its not about Trump or the media, its about Trump's supporters and whether they will believe anything he says without question, so I can point to any numerous examples if fake news he has made, but the end of the day my point is it seems like a lot of his supporters believe his claims without taking any time to reflect on whether he may actually be right or not. Conservatives claim to be individualistic, but they often promote group think among their ranks.
 
code1211 said:
I was hoping for a knowledgable response that showed you might be basing you post on something. Anything.

You're not my first disappointment.
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Well, he clearly gave you a link that demonstrates Trump's mindless use of the moronic term. I went to the link. Seems clear to me. Has it gotten so bad that people's inconvenient posts are "fake news" too? Did I even post this? Let me check my birth certificate to see if the source of this post is "fake."

The whole thing is absurd. "Fake news" is the Enquirer or the Onion. What Fox, CNN, and the rest do is called bias.
 
MSgt said:
We are talking about a morally-decrepit, a womanizer and an adulterer, military-bashing, politician-buying, and silver-spooned elite, who merely had to attach slogans around the mindless hate that the GOP and Fox News had been responsible for for eight years, for a supposed morally-sound, family-valued, military-supporting, and Christian constituent base, which professed to be sick of the politically elite, to cheer enthusiastically for him.

It's not too much of a reach to consider that, with conservatives rebuking an entire planet's worth of scientists, who kept insisting that Global Warming was not a hoax, it is fairly easy to pass off all inconveniences and any negative press as "fake news" and expect exactly the Conservative reaction he gets. Trump rode to Washington on a bitter wave of hate and he maintains his status among the faithful through hateful Tweets and poor behavior. He calls out for "help" to his faithful during this exhausting investigation. He arbitrarily reminds them that they hate Clinton and Liberals. His insults and taunts towards global leaders and other nations is encouraged by how much fun his faithful are having. Our allies and enemies line up together to condemn us and the faithful merely cheer louder. He has opened the door completely for Russia, China, and the EU to assume our former leadership roles and the faithful love it. The irrational hate runs so deep that it is as if so many years of declaring that Obama was secretly trying to destroy America, the faithful are looking for Trump to do it so that Obama can't get the credit.


The man has become a false god for many of them in the same way that they ignore certain scriptures in order to cling to an illusion. Through Trump, many have created for themselves a whole new identity, which means criticism towards Trump is criticism towards them. They don't even know how they feel about Putin one week to the next because Trump is inconsistent. So, if Trump declared that Jeffrey Dahmer was actually a good guy and that the "fake news" had led Americans astray, the faithful would start wearing Dahmer t-shirts in tribute.

The whole thing is actually quite entertaining to watch. And I must admit, that was fun to write.
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That sums it up very well, except that, if Trump does succeed in bringing America down, his supporters will still blame Obama for it.
 
Yes_Minister said:
You are missing the point of this thread, its not about Trump or the media, its about Trump's supporters and whether they will believe anything he says without question, so I can point to any numerous examples if fake news he has made, but the end of the day my point is it seems like a lot of his supporters believe his claims without taking any time to reflect on whether he may actually be right or not. Conservatives claim to be individualistic, but they often promote group think among their ranks.
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True believers are all group thinkers.

It's what they do.

This is accurate all true believers on the ends of all spectrums of all topics.

You are missing the boat on one very important idea in your construct, though. "Conservatives" and "Trump supporters" are not the same sub set of people in our political spectrum, but there is probably an intersection in a Venn diagram kind of a way.
 
joG said:
It would certainly be easier, if the media hadn't so blatantly given cause to distrust.
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So you hold the media to a higher integrity standard than the President ?
 
Dittohead not! said:
That sums it up very well, except that, if Trump does succeed in bringing America down, his supporters will still blame Obama for it.
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Na Clinton is the favorite GOP voodoo doll when distractions are needed. Now its to the point were most Americans have figured out the lame Clinton deflect, and the Republicans sound like a broken record.
 
MSgt said:
Well, he clearly gave you a link that demonstrates Trump's mindless use of the moronic term. I went to the link. Seems clear to me. Has it gotten so bad that people's inconvenient posts are "fake news" too? Did I even post this? Let me check my birth certificate to see if the source of this post is "fake."

The whole thing is absurd. "Fake news" is the Enquirer or the Onion. What Fox, CNN, and the rest do is called bias.
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Trump has legitimately pointed out that the source of the story creates a particular, predictable slant in the story.

He labeled it Fake News.

Trump has a knack for applying labels that go directly to the core of any issue and describe the subject in basic, understandable and obviously true terms.

Crooked Hillary stuck because it was so true and accurate. Same with Fake News.

He employs the same gentle diplomacy as your average Drill Sergeant. In a world of half truth and veiled meaning, this is refreshing.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
That sounds like what aboutism. I think anyone who demands zero accountability from political leaders is a fool, no matter what party they are in.
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The American public has been doing that for a long time.
 
code1211 said:
Trump has legitimately pointed out that the source of the story creates a particular, predictable slant in the story.

He labeled it Fake News.

Trump has a knack for applying labels that go directly to the core of any issue and describe the subject in basic, understandable and obviously true terms.

Crooked Hillary stuck because it was so true and accurate. Same with Fake News.

He employs the same gentle diplomacy as your average Drill Sergeant. In a world of half truth and veiled meaning, this is refreshing.
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But how you do know if he is correct or not when he labels something fake news? What stops Trump from turning this into a get of jail free card?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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Yes, U R correct .............. Trump is a unicorn ..............
 
Yes_Minister said:
But how you do know if he is correct or not when he labels something fake news? What stops Trump from turning this into a get of jail free card?
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We know with certainty, if we have the eyes to see, that Trump is making statements that are entirely self serving.

That is what an advocate does.

Our news sources are supposed to avoid advocacy and not favor any side over another in REPORTING the news.

When ANY news source presents advocacy as reporting, that news source is a corrupted propaganda outlet.

THAT is what Trump has so accurately pointed out.
 
Mycroft said:
Bush and Trump are completely different from each other.
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Bush & Trump don't belong in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence! Bush made the worst foreign policy mistake
of the last fifty years by invading Iraq. Trump is trying to overcome 50 years of lesser mistakes by all recent predecessors,
& that's as hard as it gets. It's astonishing that he's even making inroads but he is stubbornly moving forward against formidable
opposition. Wish him well!
 
yankintx said:
So you hold the media to a higher integrity standard than the President ?
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I don't believe I was comparing or even mentioned the President. It isn't the President I look at for information.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Can Trump just declare anything he wants to be fake news and will his supporters believe it? If so, do Trump supporters create an environment of zero accountability for him?
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The first part depends on what Trump claims. What I have noticed with Trump is he knows how to gain attention on serious issues. During the election for example, he played on the rage from the recent terrorist attacks to introduce his Muslim ban. At the very beginning most people were caught off-guard (including me) however a pattern has seemingly emerged where he initially overstates something only to retract back about it and clarify later exactly what he meant. The point was to create an immense talking point where people would later tune in to see if he really meant what he said or not. He later clarified that he was targeting at-risk nations with ties to terrorism, this was in coordination with information only available to those who have top-secret government clearance (aka The President).

If the President of the United states calls something incorrect, it does hold weight as he has access to more information than basically anyone else: especially with access to NSA, CIA, and FBI reports that are all undisclosed to the public.

Trump does have a pretty good thing going for him, but what has he done that he should be held accountable for at the moment? Remove liberal legislation? Use Twitter? Talk with influence? All within his right as the president. Unless you are referencing the sexual assault claims against him. In that case, if* he was found guilty then yes, he should be held accountable. But many people (especially other conservatives) can see the timing of those reports were very tactical in nature. I would propose it was a smear campaign attempt.
 
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