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In Defense of Media Screw-ups

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As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.

Why it matters: In today's hyperpolarized world, "fake news" has become a refrain to describe stories that observers on both sides of the spectrum decide that they don't like. These reporting issues by esteemed media organizations give credence to that ignorance, which further damages the value of insightful, impactful reporting — especially when it comes to one of the biggest, most polarizing stories of our political age: the Russia probe.

https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
 
When news organizations are so desperate to find and produce negative coverage in any light, and they drop their journalistic integrity of accuracy, objectivity, and impartiality with carelessness...
is well entitled to the name of "Fake News"
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.

It goes back generations....

"Dewey Defeats Truman" comes to mind. As do the reports of Japanese attacks on the Pacific Coast in WWII.
 
Hmmm...

Here is a video in counterpoint: "Why No One Trusts the Mainstream Media."




I find it funny an argument is being made for "excusing the Main Stream Media for mistakes"...while constantly crowing over reports of errors, faux pas, and mistakes of those targeted by MSM propaganda efforts.
 
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Hmmm...

Here is a video in counterpoint: "Why No One Trusts the Mainstream Media."




I find it funny an argument is being made for "excusing the Main Stream Media for mistakes"...while constantly crowing over reports of errors, faux pas, and mistakes of those targeted by MSM propaganda efforts.


Can't really disagree with anything you said or what the woman in the video said. Seems completely true from my pov.
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.

I guess that you think that reporters are just human so they don't need to follow established journalistic ethics.

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For the city folks, this is a manure spreader.
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.

It's not just about the mistakes though. It is also about the complete bias that is being shown. It's about the personal editorializing of something that shouldn't be personally editorialized. Words like "I think" or "he/she should" and similar statements that gives opinion should not be used by any journalist. And words should be chosen carefully to prevent leading the public in one direction or the other. The words chosen should be as close to neutral as possible.

Everyone gets that biases will leak into stories from time to time. And everyone also gets that mistakes will happen. We are after all only human. We're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But people do expect that people try as hard as they can. And for journalists that means trying to be as neutral as possible and making the least amount of mistakes possible. But that is not what has been happening is it? Our news media has become, not just infested, but completely over run with biased reporting and "mistakes" like the woman in the video in post 4 gave an example of. That is why confidence in the news has dropped to such an all time low. (last I looked worse than Trumps poll numbers...which is pretty bad) It is that lost confidence that has given so many 3rd party media outlets such a boost in numbers. That is why so many fake news reports from those 3rd party media outlets are believed. Because a lot of people simply do not trust the main stream news organizations anymore. Something which they brought about all by themselves.
 
Just as an example btw of how much people are turning towards 3rd party media sites...I just found out that Senator Ted Cruz was actually a guest star of the Steven Crowder "Louder with Crowder" show. If politicians start guest starring on such shows then you know that there is a shift going on.
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.

Yes, mistakes are bound to happen -- and the typical mistake is a wrong date, wrong spelling of a name, etc. When the mistakes rise to the level of factual stories that fall out from beneath them - the term "mistake" is less accurate, and the term "intent to deceive" comes into play.

Different things, those.
 
Mistaking this guy:

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For this guy:

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Is sheer incompetence.
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.

So you are saying that the news media is acting in good faith. Sorry, but that's clearly not the case. Conservatives come by their distrust of the mainstream media honestly.
 
Hmmm...

Here is a video in counterpoint: "Why No One Trusts the Mainstream Media."




I find it funny an argument is being made for "excusing the Main Stream Media for mistakes"...while constantly crowing over reports of errors, faux pas, and mistakes of those targeted by MSM propaganda efforts.


Here's the problem.

You cannot use Prager U, a right wing propaganda set of cutesy animated videos to attack what you perceive as fake news and propaganda.
 
Here's the problem.

You cannot use Prager U, a right wing propaganda set of cutesy animated videos to attack what you perceive as fake news and propaganda.

Actually the problem is your use of an ad hominin response.

You allege that the source of the information (in this case Prager U) is "right wing propaganda" in order to dismiss the information provided, rather than addressing the soundness and validity of the argument presented.

Was there anything in the video factually unsound and invalid? :coffeepap:
 
Here's another example of subtle bias masquerading as news...

Trump was asked about the general of the Qudz forces and links to terrorism. For those not in the know, the Qudz forces are the elite unit in Iranian intelligence/military who have been designated as terrorists supporters. In a vacuum, asking that kind of question about an obscure military unit isn't out of the question. But Trump was the only person who was asked that kind of question during the primaries. Not "The Smart One" Jeb Bush, not "National Security specialist" Chris Christie, and not even "FOREIGN POLICY EXPERT" Hillary Clinton. Only Trump. And on and on and on it went through the primaries.
 
Actually the problem is your use of an ad hominin response.

You allege that the source of the information (in this case Prager U) is "right wing propaganda" in order to dismiss the information provided, rather than addressing the soundness and validity of the argument presented.

Was there anything in the video factually unsound and invalid? :coffeepap:

From what I can see the very first clip or at least the first picture I currently see without even playing the video is this, "Why no one trusts the Mainstream Media." I can pretty much assume what the stupid video is going to say without even watching it based on that statement alone. It's going to be confirmation bias highlighting all the fears conservatives have about the MSM, Right? How predictable! A right wing think-tank that doesn't like the MSM. Shocker! The statement itself "why no one trusts the mainstream media," is misleading in and of itself. Republicans may not TRUST the media, but that's NOT everyone as the video stipulates.
 
Here's the problem.

You cannot use Prager U, a right wing propaganda set of cutesy animated videos to attack what you perceive as fake news and propaganda.

Media makes a few mistakes. Outrage.

Trump spews lies and false information by the hour. Crickets.
 
When news organizations are so desperate to find and produce negative coverage in any light, and they drop their journalistic integrity of accuracy, objectivity, and impartiality with carelessness...
is well entitled to the name of "Fake News"

CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative

"Fox News coverage also leaned to the negative, but only slightly: 52 percent negative to 48 percent positive."

I dont think its odd that a fair and balanced coverage could seem negative after the deluge of negative coverage from just about everywhere else..


Practice with three bats before going to the batters box and the one is much more accurate to swing.
 
From what I can see the very first clip or at least the first picture I currently see without even playing the video is this, "Why no one trusts the Mainstream Media." I can pretty much assume what the stupid video is going to say without even watching it based on that statement alone. It's going to be confirmation bias highlighting all the fears conservatives have about the MSM, Right? How predictable! A right wing think-tank that doesn't like the MSM. Shocker! The statement itself "why no one trusts the mainstream media," is misleading in and of itself. Republicans may not TRUST the media, but that's NOT everyone as the video stipulates.

The fact that you make an assumption rather than examining the information makes your response not only invalid...but also clear evidence of your own assumption bias.
 
CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative

"Fox News coverage also leaned to the negative, but only slightly: 52 percent negative to 48 percent positive."

I dont think its odd that a fair and balanced coverage could seem negative after the deluge of negative coverage from just about everywhere else..


Practice with three bats before going to the batters box and the one is much more accurate to swing.

I'm not sure if I understand your point.... Is your point that Fox News is the only mainstream Media with a conservative lean? I would agree with you...
 
As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.






BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!


"only three times in one week".......

Like that's a badge of honor or something.
 
TL;DR - Its Trumps fault.

Thanks for your penetrating analysis.

As documented in this section pretty well here on DP, it does appear that the media has messed up three times this week.Only three times in one week. Keep that outrage in check cons. It's a tricky situation the media has to deal with. They don't have time to run around making stuff up. They have to fact-check carefully and sometimes they get things wrong, sometimes they get a big scoop but then seconds later it changes or Trump (or someone else) does something to flip the narrative. It's impossible for any human being to keep up, even well run media organizations. Trump tries and look how he reacts to breaking news.

Headlines run the show so news has to have a catchy headline. This would not be the case if not for the flashy money making schemes of click-bait ads (been around for quite sometime) which Russia later used to exploit the American/world public. So the news has to be fast and accurate and they also can't break under the pressure. Good journalists won't, but then the journalists that do outrageous things are celebrated and their profile gets raised just because they attack Trump or go on similar tirades.



https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

It's often said by DP members (usually of conservative side) that they just want the fact from their journalists. If you are talking about newspapers that is one thing, but almost all journalism has always been commentary mixed with facts. Otherwise TV stations could just show a bullet point list of what happened via liberal or conservative circles and show that on a continuous loop forever and update stuff as it changes. Like an activities menu on a cruise ship. That's the purest form of reporting some people claim they want. If you want something like that, I suggest twitter, but you'll be sacrificing your objectivity there.

On top of that demand they are indeed fighting a conservative agenda that wants nothing but to tear them down and rip them limb from limb. People who are constantly seeking out alternative facts telling them that they are wrong and then having to write article upon article about why those people are wrong. Those people will never admit it though. So the whole thing becomes a colossal waste of time and resources just because the most powerful man in the world gets his news from the weirdest places on the web.

In a climate like this mistakes are bound to happen.
 
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so....

cnn_fox_bomber.jpg


.
 
I'm not sure if I understand your point.... Is your point that Fox News is the only mainstream Media with a conservative lean? I would agree with you...

I am with you there. Im just showing how the massive influx of liberal media on most channels could reflexively cause disbelief when something crazy like "fair coverage" is injected. This is pavlovian in nature.

These outlets have become balkanized. They make the same "mistakes/lies" repeatedly but always in a deliberate lean.

An honest mistake would lean differently from time to time. This has not been the case since the get go.
The media seems like a child in a supermarket throwing a tantrum when they failed to get a toy. A hillary toy.

The excessively stupid coverage is so tranparent. The dogs ear, shoes, cokes, feeding fish....so petty. Lets hope the media gets TDS coverage when health care swings around again.
 
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