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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    I expect the left to trot out some more fake 'victims' this week. Moore should still win. I don't think many people are buying
    this garbage. Allred still hasn't produced the yearbook. Another one of the accusers worked for the DNC. Another was`ruled
    against in here divorce proceedings by Judge Moore himself. This was the most poorly planned hitjob ever.

    A week after the first accusations
    'US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
    Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election +105
    9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election -145'

    Today after the voters have been able to see the accusations for what they really are:

    US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
    'Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election -400
    9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election +280'

    It looks like the smear campaign will fail, Roy Moore has turned things around Las Vegas odds inspite of
    'the massive disparity in TV ad spending between the two candidates in the Alabama special election to a Senate seat,
    where Jones, the Democratic candidate, is outspending Moore roughly 7-to-1.'
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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    I expect the left to trot out some more fake 'victims' this week. Moore should still win. I don't think many people are buying
    this garbage. Allred still hasn't produced the yearbook. Another one of the accusers worked for the DNC. Another was`ruled
    against in here divorce proceedings by Judge Moore himself. This was the most poorly planned hitjob ever.

    A week after the first accusations
    'US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
    Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election +105
    9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election -145'

    Today after the voters have been able to see the accusations for what they really are:

    US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
    'Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election -400
    9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election +280'

    It looks like the smear campaign will fail, Roy Moore has turned things around Las Vegas odds inspite of
    'the massive disparity in TV ad spending between the two candidates in the Alabama special election to a Senate seat,
    where Jones, the Democratic candidate, is outspending Moore roughly 7-to-1.'

    This one hell of a ride though, I felt the girls could have a chance at proven something against Moore. Until Gloria Allred joined them that is, then I knew that it was going to go downhill from there.
    The years following Bill Clintons election to the presidency.
    I can recall that you would always see Hillary, just there in the back.
    Always smiling that crazed smile, and always riding his coattails wherever he went.
    I guess its because she knew the front of the garment was always occupied.

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I am not ignoring anything cpwill
    I have repeatedly asked you how this conspiracy managed to get multiple women who did not know each other to travel backwards in time, and tell others years or decades ago. Thus far, you have studiously ignored this rather large problem for the argument that this is some kind of hit job without actual merit.

    The court documents speak for themselves.
    They do. For example, they demonstrate that Roy Moore did, in fact, have access to Leigh Corfman on the day she says he did.

    February 22, 1979 the day Leigh Corfman's parents signed an affidavit for change in physical custody of their daughter from the mother to the father because both parents felt it was in the best interest of their daughter Leigh as she had become a real disciplinary problem for the mother and could no longer control her. On the very same day the judge overseeing the case gave physical custody to Leigh's father who did not live in Gadsden but O'Hatchee a good 30 minutes away. With that knowledge it pretty much sinks Corfman's claims that Moore called her at her mother's home and met Moore around the corner of her mother's house in Gadsden.
    It does not. I think you are confusing "papers signed that day" with "therefore Moore couldn't have driven her back during the proceeding" and also, somehow, with "the day she moved".

    And I'm still waiting on you to tell me how this conspiracy managed time travel so the women could go back years and decades and get their younger selves to tell others.

    Believe what the heck you want, personally i see this as a dozen red flags.
    I see half a dozen women telling pretty much the same story, I see a politician whose own story keeps changing (in ways that make him a liar at least), and who has at times admitted in his own words key points of their stories. I see his defenders forced to resort to massive conspiracy theories that depend, among other things, on outlandishly breaking the laws of physics.

    I think, if you will examine your thoughts, you will discover that you aren't asking "what does the weight of evidence say", but rather "is there a way I can justify not believing multiple accusations from unconnected sources against a candidate whom I want to be a good person."

    I was a Roy Moore voter and defender. But I wasn't willing to sell my integrity to defend Trump, and I won't do it to defend him.
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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have repeatedly asked you how this conspiracy managed to get multiple women who did not know each other to travel backwards in time, and tell others years or decades ago. Thus far, you have studiously ignored this rather large problem for the argument that this is some kind of hit job without actual merit.



    They do. For example, they demonstrate that Roy Moore did, in fact, have access to Leigh Corfman on the day she says he did.



    It does not. I think you are confusing "papers signed that day" with "therefore Moore couldn't have driven her back during the proceeding" and also, somehow, with "the day she moved".

    And I'm still waiting on you to tell me how this conspiracy managed time travel so the women could go back years and decades and get their younger selves to tell others.



    I see half a dozen women telling pretty much the same story, I see a politician whose own story keeps changing (in ways that make him a liar at least), and who has at times admitted in his own words key points of their stories. I see his defenders forced to resort to massive conspiracy theories that depend, among other things, on outlandishly breaking the laws of physics.

    I think, if you will examine your thoughts, you will discover that you aren't asking "what does the weight of evidence say", but rather "is there a way I can justify not believing multiple accusations from unconnected sources against a candidate whom I want to be a good person."

    I was a Roy Moore voter and defender. But I wasn't willing to sell my integrity to defend Trump, and I won't do it to defend him.
    I get what you mean about Moore, but from a standpoint of actually coming from a legally trained eye. There is only a little actual evidence against Moore and not everything that is being said about him is illegal, save for the relationship with the minor and the assault.

    The document puts them in the case of being capable of meeting one another, but does not show they actually met.

    I have no love for the man, but all of this dirt being flung at him is somewhat laughable.
    The years following Bill Clintons election to the presidency.
    I can recall that you would always see Hillary, just there in the back.
    Always smiling that crazed smile, and always riding his coattails wherever he went.
    I guess its because she knew the front of the garment was always occupied.

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    I get what you mean about Moore, but from a standpoint of actually coming from a legally trained eye. There is only a little actual evidence against Moore and not everything that is being said about him is illegal, save for the relationship with the minor and the assault.
    I remember having to explain this to the Clinton defenders. Criminality is not the standard for morality or even basic decency. It's just an offense so bad we are willing to use state violence against you, should you engage in it.

    You have independent, multisource verification with dozens of confirming witnesses, and Moore has changed his story multiple times in self-contradicting ways. the evidence points pretty clearly to there being fire behind this smoke.

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    I think, if you will examine your thoughts, you will discover that you aren't asking "what does the weight of evidence say", but rather "is there a way I can justify not believing multiple accusations from unconnected sources against a candidate whom I want to be a good person."

    I was a Roy Moore voter and defender. But I wasn't willing to sell my integrity to defend Trump, and I won't do it to defend him.
    I think the documents on file at the courthouse show a conflict with Leigh Corfman's story she gave the Washington Post in her own words.
    The records state her father's residence was in O'Hatchee. He had remarried. The court records state on February 22,1979 the father was awarded physical custody and both parents were in agreement with this decision. This could be easily verified by school records as Corfman would have had to change school districts from Gadsden to O'Hatchee. Because of the change in physical custody which would resulted in a change of residence for Corfman, it makes her story improbable as she told it.

    The two most damning allegations come from Corfman and Beverly Nelson.

    Beverly Nelson as you know has a yearbook the Moore campaign has requested on numerous occasions to be analyzed by third party experts. Gloria Alred has refused. Former waitresses at the Ole Hickory have come out and disagree with Nelson over details of her story in her own words ranging from the location of the dumpsters, to the lighting of the parking lot, the time the restaurant closed, the waitresses not permitted to work the counter, the age a waitress had to be to work there and they don't remember Moore being a regular. Are they liars? Is the retired sheriff who stated he knew Roy Moore from the courthouse and he ate dinner at Ole Hickory almost every night before his shift started and never saw Moore in the place. Is he a liar too? You see in Nelson's testimony Moore was a regular.

    The person that was in charge of mall security at the Gadsden Mall who worked there for over 20 years came forward and stated Roy Moore was never banned from the mall after WaPo once again published a piece stating he was banned for trying to pick up young girls. Is the former security officer a liar too?

    Beverly Nelson's own stepson posted a video on Youtube claiming his stepmother is lying. Is the stepson a liar too? Are they all a bunch of damn liars?

    Evidently a good number of Alabamians don't think so. There is a possibility that Moore will win. There will be a call for an ethics investigation and these allegations will be investigated but in doing so the accusers will be challenged in their stories as will Moore.

    I have never supported Moore in this election. I find some of his views on the Constitution to be inaccurate and it is those views that have made him so controversial. But I also don't believe just because two women make allegations against a man that are criminal and 40 years old and made just weeks before a highly charged Senate race should be taken as the gospel either and that both the accused and the accuser be challenged in an ethics hearing.
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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I remember having to explain this to the Clinton defenders. Criminality is not the standard for morality or even basic decency. It's just an offense so bad we are willing to use state violence against you, should you engage in it.

    You have independent, multisource verification with dozens of confirming witnesses, and Moore has changed his story multiple times in self-contradicting ways. the evidence points pretty clearly to there being fire behind this smoke.
    Yes, that he dated girls as young as 16.

    However there is no substantiation for the illegal claims, as we have no actual evidence besides personal testimony.
    The years following Bill Clintons election to the presidency.
    I can recall that you would always see Hillary, just there in the back.
    Always smiling that crazed smile, and always riding his coattails wherever he went.
    I guess its because she knew the front of the garment was always occupied.

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Beverly Young Nelson has finally admitted that she forged a portion of the infamous high school yearbook that
    she and attorney Gloria Allred used as proof of her accusations against U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore.
    Worse still, the ABC reporter actually coaches Nelson, puts words in her mouth, downplay the enormous
    significance of her deceit. I'm astonished that she admitted this now. I was expecting it the day after the election.
    Anyone accepting the accusations of Beverly Nelson is showing an unconscionable bias

    'Alabaman's are unlikely to forget Melissa Myers Bush false claims against Lt. Gov. Steve Windom
    Alabama's first GOP lieutenant governor this century. On a videotape and in a lawsuit, Bush accused Windom
    of sexually assaulting her in 1991. But on the witness stand Thursday, she said she was paid to make the allegation.
    She couldn't recall how much, but, according to others' testimony, she got at least $5,000.'

    "The rumor-mill process of developing false stories has been a part of Alabama politics for at least the last
    60 years," said political scientist Anne Permaloff of Auburn University at Montgomery.
    Among past dirty tricks were rumors spread in 1970 by supporters of Gov. George C. Wallace portraying
    a foe's wife as alcoholic and his daughter as dating blacks.'

    Why some even believe for one second these accusers is beyond me, most stories were debunked within a week.
    'The newest one now is "I dated Roy Moore and had a great time.....but now (after receiving all this money from the DNC)
    I realize it was sexual assault”. On December 13th, these accusers will fade away.

    This race isn't even close as of todays Moore's chances continue to improve with the Las Vegas oddsmakers:
    US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
    Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election -460
    9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election +320

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Yes, that he dated girls as young as 16.
    Which, in addition to having had half-admitted to, he now flatly denies.... making him a liar about his pursuit of young girls in his thirties.

    However there is no substantiation for the illegal claims, as we have no actual evidence besides personal testimony.
    And the fact that she told multiple people about it at the time.

    So if this is some kind of piling-on conspiracy, then why did A) this girl not come forward during the Supreme Court bru-ha-ha with him, and B) how did she manage to travel backwards through time to tell others?

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    Re: Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Beverly Young Nelson has finally admitted that she forged a portion of the infamous high school yearbook that
    she and attorney Gloria Allred used as proof of her accusations against U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore.
    Worse still, the ABC reporter actually coaches Nelson, puts words in her mouth, downplay the enormous
    significance of her deceit. I'm astonished that she admitted this now. I was expecting it the day after the election.
    Anyone accepting the accusations of Beverly Nelson is showing an unconscionable bias
    Not really. She says she added the section underneath his signature, which certainly seems to be his.

    This harms her, certainly. But it leaves him still dammed.

    On December 13th, these accusers will fade away.
    Hopefully not. Should he win, the Senate should investigate and, if they can determine the accusations are credible, they should kick him out. Republican Governor of Alabama can appoint someone else, and we'll be through with this ugly, disenheartening chapter in the history of a once-decent party.

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