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Antifa Group Plans Nationwide 'Deface Columbus Day' Actions for Monday

What did Columbus win, exactly? World's Worst Navigator? :lamo

Dude thought he'd found India. Despite the size of the earth being known to a percent or two since the Greeks, Columbus somehow got the size of the planet wrong by several thousand miles.

Not really. A Greek pretty much correctly calculate the Earth but later a Roman made a bad calculation that was accepted by the Emperor and that one stuck for well over a thousand years. Columbus was going off accepted science of the time.
 
Columbus Day is a celebration of the impact his discovery had on Western Civilization not so much the discovery in isolation. It ushered in an age of discovery and radically changed the way Western societies geographically understood the world. I find those who promote the replacement of this holiday with Indigenous Peoples Day typically predicate their argument on a “noble savage” fallacy.

I think it has more to do with the savagery of Columbus.
 
This is the dumbest attempt to conflate two very different issues. One might think the person who posted this nonsense, failed to pay attention in basic history class when they were 12 or 13 years old.

Personally I would keep the Columbus statues, with new plaques telling the ignorant a little bit about what he did during his voyages to the Caribbean - you know Columbus never managed to land on the shores of what today is known as the United States of America, don't you?

As John Oliver pointed out on his show last night, the vast majority of the Confederate statues and memorials were put in place during years when people of color were just beginning to enjoy the rights that those of European descent had known from the beginning.



Anti-Confederate memorial protestors aren't saying, "You don't celebrate and pay tribute to the losers.". Instead they are saying, we shouldn't be celebrating the actions of traitors and losers.

Some guy named Robert E Lee in a letter regarding war monuments (1869) that were to be raised at Gettysburg.


Apparently they think going out and actually learning national history, is like forcing the to opt for a fresh tetanus shots.

I think people just don't have the will to learn anymore.
 
HOLY ****!

Look at all that antifa wrought.
They are really a force to be reckoned with not just an internet bogeyman used to frighten children!
Oh. wait. anitifa didn't do diddly but buy a few cans of spray paint.

Maybe they are just an internet bogey man used to frighten children.

So this thread can be filed under "Antifa doesn't even exist" I presume?

No, this particular bogey man is very, very real.

Anitfa is entirely the equivalent of the multitude of multi-generational white supremacists organizations.
Just as well connected and just as powerful.

That is why we must do whatever we are told by the folks who will protect us from the bogey man.
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Fwiw, I am the lead dragon protector for North America. I protect NA from dragons
Ever see a dragon in NA?
You're welcome.
 
HOLY ****!

Look at all that antifa wrought.
They are really a force to be reckoned with not just an internet bogeyman used to frighten children!
Oh. wait. anitifa didn't do diddly but buy a few cans of spray paint.

Maybe they are just an internet bogey man used to frighten children.



No, this particular bogey man is very, very real.

Anitfa is entirely the equivalent of the multitude of multi-generational white supremacists organizations.
Just as well connected and just as powerful.

That is why we must do whatever we are told by the folks who will protect us from the bogey man.
[/sarcasm]


Fwiw, I am the lead dragon protector for North America. I protect NA from dragons
Ever see a dragon in NA?
You're welcome.




So you are saying ANTIFA doesn't exist?


Who are all them black clad violent thugs then at all these rallys and protests?
 
So you are saying ANTIFA doesn't exist?
Who are all them black clad violent thugs then at all these rallys and protests?
I re-read what I wrote, and I am pretty certain I said something different.
:shrug:

My apologies for not being more clear.

Obviously, someone bought those cans of spray paint with their allowance.
 
Re: Antifa

The people who defend antifa communists are at the least, communists sympathizers.
Antifa is in no way pro-communist. You're just pulling this crap out of your ass. Anti-fa only official position is to oppose fascism.
 
Re: Antifa

Antifa is in no way pro-communist. You're just pulling this crap out of your ass. Anti-fa only official position is to oppose fascism.

Antifa is absolutely communist.
 
Re: Antifa

Antifa is in no way pro-communist. You're just pulling this crap out of your ass. Anti-fa only official position is to oppose fascism.

Do they actually have any "officials" to have positions?

My ignorant impression is that they're a loosely affiliated, ragtag group consisting primarily of other loosely affiliated, ragtag groups.
 
Re: Antifa

Is that what I said?
It seems like you said it.

But maybe you meant something else entirely.

What did you mean when you said that we had the 2nd Amendment for when people deface monuments?

Please feel free to elaborate on what you meant exactly.

It seems you were somehow trying to connect the defacing with the right of Americans to keep and carry firearms.

Were you suggesting that the Antifa folks arm themselves for their defacing activities?

:shrug:
 
Re: Antifa

Do they actually have any "officials" to have positions?

My ignorant impression is that they're a loosely affiliated, ragtag group consisting primarily of other loosely affiliated, ragtag groups.

Generally, that is correct, but at the very least they chose a name for themselves, and their name directly implies their purpose which is to be anti-fascism.
 
I think it has more to do with the savagery of Columbus.

Yes, a criticism leveled by people who would rather celebrate the culture of those who enslaved, scalped, and dismembered each other.
 
Yes, a criticism leveled by people who would rather celebrate the culture of those who enslaved, scalped, and dismembered each other.

This is an all too common belief. Yes, there were native tribes which enslaved, scalped and dismembered those of other tribes but then so did the Conquistadores and other European when they arrived on these shores. HOWEVER, there were other tribes which didn't do those bad things. With more than 5000 tribes scattered across what are today Canada, the US and Mexico, there were nearly as many different cultures with multiple moral values.

One example The Great Law of Peace
Among the Haudenosaunee (the "Six Nations," comprising the Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga, Seneca, and Tuscarora peoples) the Great Law of Peace is the oral constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy. The law was written on wampum belts, conceived by Dekanawidah, known as The Great Peacemaker, and his spokesman Hiawatha. The original five member nations ratified this constitution near modern-day Victor, New York, with the sixth nation (the Tuscarora) being added in c. 1722.

The laws were first recorded and transmitted not in written language, but by means of wampum symbols that conveyed meaning. In a later era it was translated into English and various accounts exist. The Great Law of Peace is presented as part of a narrative noting laws and ceremonies to be performed at prescribed times. The laws called a constitution are divided into 117 articles. The united Iroquois nations are symbolized by an eastern white pine tree, called the Tree of Peace. Each nation or tribe plays a delineated role in the conduct of government.

Attempts to date the founding of the Iroquois Confederacy have focused on a reported solar eclipse, which many scholars identify as the one that occurred in 1451 AD, though some debate exists with support for 1142.
 
This is an all too common belief. Yes, there were native tribes which enslaved, scalped and dismembered those of other tribes but then so did the Conquistadores and other European when they arrived on these shores. HOWEVER, there were other tribes which didn't do those bad things. With more than 5000 tribes scattered across what are today Canada, the US and Mexico, there were nearly as many different cultures with multiple moral values.

One example The Great Law of Peace

The point was that accusations of savagery are a poor excuse to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day.
 
So you are saying ANTIFA doesn't exist?


Who are all them black clad violent thugs then at all these rallys and protests?

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OH MY GOD ANTIFA WENT BACK IN TIME TO 1999! Here's proof of them in Seattle during the WTO protests!

They're called anarchists. Antifa is what media outlets who want more readers call them. They've been around for longer than I've been alive.
 

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OH MY GOD ANTIFA WENT BACK IN TIME TO 1999! Here's proof of them in Seattle during the WTO protests!

They're called anarchists. Antifa is what media outlets who want more readers call them. They've been around for longer than I've been alive.




in 1999 they were the AFA (antifascist action).


ANTIFA is the latest incarnation which stemmed from American soccer fans trying to emulate european soccer fans, which then spread past that into the universities.


https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/bmqgxv/the-socialist-soccer-fans-who-saved-mls-from-neo-nazis
 
Re: Antifa

Antifa is in no way pro-communist. You're just pulling this crap out of your ass. Anti-fa only official position is to oppose fascism.

Anti-fa are all hard-left and almost all anarchists, mostly anarcho-communists and anarcho-syndicalists. Officially, they are anti-Marxist-Leninist, but they seem to be reasonably happy to work with the latter/defend them lately. I saw someone with a video of someone with an anarchist flag mocking a memorial to the victims of communism recently! Maybe they're ignorant of their own movement's history.

They oppose actual fascists and all sorts of other people. They are lawless thugs, certainly.
 
in 1999 they were the AFA (antifascist action).


ANTIFA is the latest incarnation which stemmed from American soccer fans trying to emulate european soccer fans, which then spread past that into the universities.


https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/bmqgxv/the-socialist-soccer-fans-who-saved-mls-from-neo-nazis

I knew soccer was behind the string of vicious attacks in the United States.

Vice is doing sports now? What are they going to do, ride dirty with Beast Mode?
 
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