Pretty much the worst take on the NFL kneeling issue

Adriana Cohen of the Boston Herald:

That’s it.

Before we even get to the disrespect and ingratitude that NFL players are showing to this land of opportunity, and all who have sacrificed for our freedoms, let’s consider what else kneeling signifies. No red-blooded, testosterone-jacked man should ever be in a position of submission, as kneeling signifies weakness and capitulation across cultures — and continents.

When ISIS chops off victims’ heads, they are on their knees.

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She went from zero to ISIS pretty fast. For starters, taking A knee is not the same as getting on one's knees ... there's an extra knee involved in the latter. Secondly, football players take a knee all the time DURING PLAY. It's called a touchback, on a kickoff in the end zone. Or the victory formation, where the quarterback puts a team out of its misery.

People also take a knee when they're being knighted in the UK, the highest honor that can be bestowed in that country. Maybe that's a culture this ignorant twat has never heard of.

When Iran captured a U.S. Navy vessel in the Persian Gulf last year, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard forced 10 American soldiers to get on their knees and disseminated those images via propaganda messages — to humiliate America and our military.

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Wait, it gets better.

Again, no American football player, athlete or any other self-respecting man should ever willingly get on his knees unless he’s at God’s mercy or giving his heart to a woman he’s truly, deeply, madly in love with.

It’s about pride and never parting with your masculinity or dignity — even for a minute.

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Name me one man NOT parting with his dignity who has ever proposed to a woman on both knees. That's not a proposal. That's begging.

Yet on Sunday more than 200 NFL players — including 16 New England Patriots players — took a knee during the national anthem, refusing to stand for the American flag — a hard-fought symbol of freedom — over a witches brew of cultural and political issues ranging from perceived racism, anti-cop grievances surrounding the Black Lives Matter movement or just plain old anger toward President Trump for a poorly worded tweet — “If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!

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Yes, it was just about his "poorly worded tweet." Not his speech in Alabama where he called anyone who kneeled a "son of a bitch" and urged NFL owners -- most of whom are rock-ribbed Republicans; hell, Roger Goodell himself is the son of a former GOP Congressman -- to just kick kneelers off the team. That had NOTHING to do with Sunday's display of solidarity against Trump.

Colin Kaepernick's original protest, one joined by players like Seattle star Michael Bennett, was to highlight injustices against black people. Last weekend was players giving a giant middle finger right back to Trump, and good on 'em for it. Donald Trump is an asshole, a worthless ****heel who has NO business in the nation's highest office. But back to the show ...

What NFL players should understand — along with NFL owners, the commissioner and ESPN — is that the world has problems. People have grievances with society, government or even the police. But one of the many reasons millions of regular, non-millionaire Americans watch sports, attend games or support the industry as a whole is to escape. The day-to-day grind that is our workweek. The hardships and challenges we all face in our lives from dreaded commuter traffic to the serious stuff — like battling cancer or burying a loved one. And, for a little while, to escape this nation’s bitter, divisive politics.

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"I had a bad week at work, so screw your whole 'please don't shoot black people' thing." I love this entitled mentality from people that they demand freedom from being offended due to their blatant idolatry of Rock, Flag and Eagle when they want to chill for a few hours on Sunday. They've been sitting here telling us that the Snowflakes with their Safe Spaces aren't entitled to be free from offense, yet here they are, whining about needing an "escape" from their oh-so-difficult lives.

You know who doesn't have a difficult life, you insufferable assholes? Tamir Rice. Because he's dead. How about Philando Castile? He's dead too, thanks to some trigger happy asshole cop who blew a dude away for no reason.

I also find the idea that someone who wants to escape bitter, divisive politics introduced ISIS into the story in the third ****ing paragraph to be hilarious.

What Americans don’t want is social justice warriors hijacking sports.

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"Social Justice Warrior" is a snarl term that has no meaning anymore. It's just devolved into anyone who disputes the wingnut narrative.

Also, it's their game. As long as their employers let them, they can hijack it all they want. LeSean McCoy doesn't come to your work and tell you how to do your job. You don't get to come to his work and tell him how to do his job.

If it’s so hard for them to respect the flag, maybe athletes should think about respecting their fans and keep their politics off the field.

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I've been to 70+ NFL games, just as a spectator (plus a few more as a member of the working media). 90% of the fans are too drunk to care.

There is one other time you take a knee, and that’s in football. When you don’t want to be tackled.

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We've been over your distinct lack of football knowledge.

The way the fans booed on Sunday, the players and the league better tread carefully now, or they won’t know what hit them.

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The NFL will be just fine. Then it's on to the next Wingnut Welfare grift target.

Before we even get to the disrespect and ingratitude that NFL players are showing to this land of opportunity, and all who have sacrificed for our freedoms,

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She never got to that by the way, probably because she knows that talking point is BS too.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not sure if this is the best place for this, but it's media-related so why not.

I'd 'like' the OP except for one sentence at the end.

Well, that's an interesting take on the matter.

I will admit, I am not a die hard sports fan...I will watch it occasionally, and by occasionally, I mean Super Bowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, etc.

My personal take on it is this.....they are really not that much different from actors, or any other paid performers in the entertainment industry.

You are entertainers; I pay money to be entertained....so, entertain me.

I don't go to the movies to watch the actors/actresses kneel for a political statement...If I want to hear political commentary, I can watch CSPAN.

You want to make political/solidarity statements, do it on your own dime and time.

Should they be fired? Don't know and don't care....that's the decision of the owners that pay their salary....it has no effect on me.

But if I went to see Star Wars, and darth Vader jumps up in the opening credits to schill for his favorite cause, "Sith lives matter"..."Support left handed underwater basket weaving hamsters".....Whatever it may be; I wouldn't waste my money on another Star Wars film.

I pay you to entertain me.....not preach to me. If you cant do that, I'll spend my money on Chuck E Cheese instead, or just nap.

But....that's just my silly take on the matter.

Bending the knee is bending the knee.....We all know what that means,.

Polar Bum said:

But if I went to see Star Wars, and darth Vader jumps up in the opening credits to schill for his favorite cause, "Sith lives matter"..."Support left handed underwater basket weaving hamsters".....Whatever it may be; I wouldn't waste my money on another Star Wars film.

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As is your choice to do so. One fan moves on and another appears, just how things go. At the end of the day, the Star Wars franchise has gone on to become one of the best loved sagas of all time. Very unlikely to change.

Even Jar Jar Binks couldn't destroy the franchise.

Hawkeye10 said:

Bending the knee is bending the knee.....We all know what that means,.

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What does it mean?

Polar Bum said:

Well, that's an interesting take on the matter.

I will admit, I am not a die hard sports fan...I will watch it occasionally, and by occasionally, I mean Super Bowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, etc.

My personal take on it is this.....they are really not that much different from actors, or any other paid performers in the entertainment industry.

You are entertainers; I pay money to be entertained....so, entertain me.

I don't go to the movies to watch the actors/actresses kneel for a political statement...If I want to hear political commentary, I can watch CSPAN.

You want to make political/solidarity statements, do it on your own dime and time.

Should they be fired? Don't know and don't care....that's the decision of the owners that pay their salary....it has no effect on me.

But if I went to see Star Wars, and darth Vader jumps up in the opening credits to schill for his favorite cause, "Sith lives matter"..."Support left handed underwater basket weaving hamsters".....Whatever it may be; I wouldn't waste my money on another Star Wars film.

I pay you to entertain me.....not preach to me. If you cant do that, I'll spend my money on Chuck E Cheese instead, or just nap.

But....that's just my silly take on the matter.

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You don't pay them, any more than you pay the actor in a film. You pay to see the product they create. Someone else pays the talent.

Hawkeye10 said:

Bending the knee is bending the knee.....We all know what that means,.

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Trying to decipher your nonsense is getting tiresome.

Kobie said:

You don't pay them, any more than you pay the actor in a film. You pay to see the product they create. Someone else pays the talent.

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Pretty much, which is why I limit my sports viewing to whatever is free on TV, if I watch at all.

Bending both knees is what you do when riding a bicycle, right?

Those protests are not attacking the flag, and they are not attacking the National Anthem or Pledge, and they are not attacking soldiers or sailors, active duty or veterans.

They are merely dissent against failed and criminal policies by government. I'm glad to see dissent. I'm glad to see at least some citizens objecting to the lousy and often criminal policies of government.

The lynch mob mentality stirred up by The Donald is typical for a man like him, and for those who follow demigods.

This is bizarre. The left is trying to protect free speech but the right isn't attacking free speech. The right is suggesting that the playing of the national anthem is not the best time to protest but the left likes it. We can all get on the same page if we all agree that the players can protest whatever they like but doing it during the anthem is probably more self destructive than effective. It isn't as complicated as people think.

Thoreau72 said:

Bending both knees is what you do when riding a bicycle, right?

Those protests are not attacking the flag, and they are not attacking the National Anthem or Pledge, and they are not attacking soldiers or sailors, active duty or veterans.

They are merely dissent against failed and criminal policies by government. I'm glad to see dissent. I'm glad to see at least some citizens objecting to the lousy and often criminal policies of government.

The lynch mob mentality stirred up by The Donald is typical for a man like him, and for those who follow demigods.

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They are not attacking the flag but a whole lot of people take it that way. They should have found a better venue for their protest.

Just keep saying American patriotic supporters are wrong, it won't be long now till we start hurting the bottom line, then we will see if they really stand by there disrespecting our flag. When sponsors start pulling out it's going to be wonderful.


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ecofarm said:

I'd 'like' the OP except for one sentence at the end.

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"But back to the show ..."?

Or the other one regarding a truth about Trump?

This whole issue has been going on for many years in many ways.
Trump decided to turn it into a politically divisive issue AND to cloud the real issue.

Seems to me, he's done pretty good at appealing to emotions rather than rational thought...why not?
It got him elected...and now he's moving forward with the old tried and true method of thought control...if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****...so much winning as he says...but for who?

Looking at his actions, it's obvious he's playing his base...so far he's kept them spinning...surreal

Polar Bum said:

You are entertainers; I pay money to be entertained....so, entertain me.

I pay you to entertain me.....not preach to me.

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You don't find all of this entertaining?

Did you have an issue with their silent protest prior to Trump making an issue of it?

People kneeling? Seems to me they are taking more of a prayer position than one of preaching...now, if one of those "sons of bitches" grabs the microphone during the anthem and tries to make their case...that would be preaching.

Whatever it may be; I wouldn't waste my money on another Star Wars film.

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I'm about like you when it comes to watching sports...rarely...special events and such.

Is it safe to assume that you do continue to watch them only since it comes with the TV package and you don't have to pay extra?

What I have a hard time comprehending: These folks you hear about who tore up their season tickets, due to an issue that was going on before they bought the damn things.

Some people close to me say that how my mind works is one of God's little mysteries...it's beginning to appear as though Trump supporter's are an even bigger mystery...prolly got God scratching his/her head.

SO SAD!!!

Hawkeye10 said:

Bending the knee is bending the knee.....We all know what that means,.

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Of course we do: different things to different people...something that can become divisive when spun properly and used as a propaganda tool...

...enter Trump.

Oh wait, retract that...apparently not all know...and some shall remain clueless for a long long time...obviously

AYSM said:

Of course we do: different things to different people...something that can become divisive when spun properly and used as a propaganda tool...

...enter Trump.

Oh wait, retract that...apparently not all know...and some shall remain clueless for a long long time...obviously

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No not different things to different people....honor and respect always.

fmw said:

This is bizarre. The left is trying to protect free speech but the right isn't attacking free speech. The right is suggesting that the playing of the national anthem is not the best time to protest but the left likes it. We can all get on the same page if we all agree that the players can protest whatever they like but doing it during the anthem is probably more self destructive than effective. It isn't as complicated as people think.

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Can I say that's hogwash in this forum?

I prolly better not.

Reminder to self...play nice upstairs...
...fogetaboutit.

I've been carrying on a non flag salute protest for similar reasons as the players, for about a half century...nobody has ever said a thing about it to my face...it is a free speech issue and trying to make it otherwise is a political exercise contrary to what the country was founded on...a perfect example of why I refer to the 2016 election as...

https://www.debatepolitics.com/government-and-separation-of-powers/296858-240-year-war.html

AYSM said:

Can I say that's hogwash in this forum?

I prolly better not.

Reminder to self...play nice upstairs...
...fogetaboutit.

I've been carrying on a non flag salute protest for similar reasons as the players, for about a half century...nobody has ever said a thing about it to my face...it is a free speech issue and trying to make it otherwise is a political exercise contrary to what the country was founded on...a perfect example of why I refer to the 2016 election as...

https://www.debatepolitics.com/government-and-separation-of-powers/296858-240-year-war.html

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Sure you can say hogwash if you like.

fmw said:

They are not attacking the flag but a whole lot of people take it that way. They should have found a better venue for their protest.

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A venue approved by...who? Somebody in the government?

Perhaps Rosa Parks should have chosen a better venue too?

Thoreau72 said:

A venue approved by...who? Somebody in the government?

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A venue determined by themselves that was not destructive to their cause, their team and themselves.

Perhaps Rosa Parks should have chosen a better venue too?

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Rosa Parks did fine. She didn't choose a venue that would itself be destructive to her.

Kobie said:

Adriana Cohen of the Boston Herald:




She went from zero to ISIS pretty fast. For starters, taking A knee is not the same as getting on one's knees ... there's an extra knee involved in the latter. Secondly, football players take a knee all the time DURING PLAY. It's called a touchback, on a kickoff in the end zone. Or the victory formation, where the quarterback puts a team out of its misery.

People also take a knee when they're being knighted in the UK, the highest honor that can be bestowed in that country. Maybe that's a culture this ignorant twat has never heard of.



Wait, it gets better.



Name me one man NOT parting with his dignity who has ever proposed to a woman on both knees. That's not a proposal. That's begging.



Yes, it was just about his "poorly worded tweet." Not his speech in Alabama where he called anyone who kneeled a "son of a bitch" and urged NFL owners -- most of whom are rock-ribbed Republicans; hell, Roger Goodell himself is the son of a former GOP Congressman -- to just kick kneelers off the team. That had NOTHING to do with Sunday's display of solidarity against Trump.

Colin Kaepernick's original protest, one joined by players like Seattle star Michael Bennett, was to highlight injustices against black people. Last weekend was players giving a giant middle finger right back to Trump, and good on 'em for it. Donald Trump is an asshole, a worthless ****heel who has NO business in the nation's highest office. But back to the show ...

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I'm sure that article rings like music in the ears of those it was intended to reach.

Thoreau72 said:

A venue approved by...who? Somebody in the government?

Perhaps Rosa Parks should have chosen a better venue too?

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Crazy bitch disrespecting her country's generosity. Think of all the people who died so that she could receive subsidized transportation.