• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

OLBERMANN: Trump Resignation Will Happen Suddenly

Chomsky said:
Perhaps.

But dealmaking in public governance is not the same skill-set as dealmaking in private business.

We shall see.
Click to expand...

I think all the people that he has screwed over by declaring bankruptcy time and time again leaving employees, contractors bills unpaid would call him a deal breaker rather than a deal maker...
 
Southern Dad said:
President Trump ran as a novice to politics. He's not the experienced driver of legislation. We knew that going in. Yes, he's a dealmaker and I have high hopes we'll see some of that come out as his term progresses. He's been in office seven months. We have a long time to go.
Click to expand...

Yes but the first 6 months is when presidents get much if not most of their agenda enacted. I agree we have a long time to go, but Trump is no LBJ, Reagan, Clinton, or Obama. He is incompetent at governing, and considering he doesn't like to read and has a notoriously short attention span, I am not sure how he going to ever get competent at it.

Frankly, if I were a Republican and I thus wanted the conservative agenda enacted, I would be praying every day that Trump gets a dementia diagnosis (which it would not surprise me if he did), he had to resign, and Pence was then the president. Unlike Trump, Pence is competent at governing and knows how to get legislation through congress.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes but the first 6 months is when presidents get much if not most of their agenda enacted. I agree we have a long time to go, but Trump is no LBJ, Reagan, Clinton, or Obama. He is incompetent at governing, and considering he doesn't like to read and has a notoriously short attention span, I am not sure how he going to ever get competent at it.

Frankly, if I were a Republican and I thus wanted the conservative agenda enacted, I would be praying every day that Trump gets a dementia diagnosis (which it would not surprise me if he did), he had to resign, and Pence was then the president. Unlike Trump, Pence is competent at governing and knows how to get legislation through congress.
Click to expand...

How long did it take for Obama to sign Obamacare, and when you answer that, that is how many months to come up with Obamacare failure. And yes he got legislation passed but it was failed legislation.
 
Born Free said:
How long did it take for Obama to sign Obamacare, and when you answer that, that is how many months to come up with Obamacare failure. And yes he got legislation passed but it was failed legislation.
Click to expand...

The ACA was the biggest reform of the nation's healthcare system since Medicare. Now you might not like the ACA, but that doesn't change the fact that it took a competent president and congress to get that kind of a bill passed and signed into law.

The fact is, there is little chance of conservatives getting anything they want as long as the incompetent Trump is president. The best thing that could happen to conservatives would be somehow for Trump to have to resign and then Pence is president because he would actually know how to govern and get the conservative agenda enacted. This was a historic opportunity for conservatives, they have both houses of congress, the White House, SCOTUS, and the majority of the federal courts. It could be decades before Republicans have that kind of complete dominance in government again. Had you had a president Kasich, or Jeb, or Rubio, you would have had the ACA repealed, and a slew of conservative legislation signed into law by now.
 
Southern Dad said:
I could see President Donald J Trump resigning by Tweet. I'll bet the left would hate President Mike Pence more than they hate Trump.
Click to expand...

True, but we wouldn't be worried about two completely insane leaders yanking us into nuclear war during a weenie-wagging contest. That, and our allies would heave a sigh of relief that the biggest military power on the planet is no longer in the hands of a two-hundred pound toddler.
 
Last edited:
GDViking said:
I think all the people that he has screwed over by declaring bankruptcy time and time again leaving employees, contractors bills unpaid would call him a deal breaker rather than a deal maker...
Click to expand...

Bankruptcy is a part of business, it is legal. Henry Ford declared bankruptcy. Abraham Lincoln declared bankruptcy. Many people have been bankrupt.
 
Southern Dad said:
Bankruptcy is a part of business, it is legal. Henry Ford declared bankruptcy. Abraham Lincoln declared bankruptcy. Many people have been bankrupt.
Click to expand...

And some, like 45. are just morally bankrupt.
 
Puigb said:
Which is a good thing. It's also why a Pence presidency would be 1000 times worse. But the liberals don't seem to want to hear that. I'd rather have idiot Donald Trump rant on twitter, than Pence and the GOP shoving their garbage agenda down the nation's throat. Trump being as inept as he is, and his own political party clearly disliking him, has prevented the Republicans from moving forward with their agenda the way they would have if say, Rubio would have won the presidency.
Click to expand...

'Placeholder Pence" will have little influence and the GOP Congress will continue to fight among themselves leaving bipartisan measures as the only legislation that can pass. It will not be as bad as you fear. McCain will get his wish for a return to "regular order". Isn't that what most of us should want? We need to get Trumps tiny hands off the "nuclear football" as soon as possible.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes but the first 6 months is when presidents get much if not most of their agenda enacted. I agree we have a long time to go, but Trump is no LBJ, Reagan, Clinton, or Obama. He is incompetent at governing, and considering he doesn't like to read and has a notoriously short attention span, I am not sure how he going to ever get competent at it.

Frankly, if I were a Republican and I thus wanted the conservative agenda enacted, I would be praying every day that Trump gets a dementia diagnosis (which it would not surprise me if he did), he had to resign, and Pence was then the president. Unlike Trump, Pence is competent at governing and knows how to get legislation through congress.
Click to expand...

Are you saying that VP Pence is not working to get Trumps agenda passed now? Why would that be?
 
iguanaman said:
Are you saying that VP Pence is not working to get Trumps agenda passed now? Why would that be?
Click to expand...

Of course he is, as much as he can. However, the orange clown presents quite the headwind for him.
 
Media_Truth said:
Which is probably why many from the Right are now distancing themselves from Trump further, hoping that he'll resign or get impeached. They only have 2 years, as they will lose across the Board in 2018, and 9 months have been wasted.
Click to expand...

The Democrats are powerless. They continue to throw bones of hope to their base. Their tactics of misinformation, do nothing but obstruct, and violence, is going to come back and bite them in the midterms. Trump's popularity may have fallen, but he is still more popular than Congress and the Senate. Trump will sway the voters away from swamp candidates.

The Democrats have more people up for reelection in 2018, many in states and districts that Trump won. Trump is going to lead the changing of the guard, in both parties, while favoring the Republicans. Many new people will run and win, base on term limits, to help drain the do-nothing swamp. Voters from both sides want different things to happen, but no voter wants nothing to happen. The swamp will be under the microscope.

There is too much fun and work ahead for Trump to resign. He may not be able to fight the swamp inside but he is good at fighting the swamp from the outside; bully pulpit and elections.
 
Last edited:
iguanaman said:
'Placeholder Pence" will have little influence and the GOP Congress will continue to fight among themselves leaving bipartisan measures as the only legislation that can pass. It will not be as bad as you fear. McCain will get his wish for a return to "regular order". Isn't that what most of us should want? We need to get Trumps tiny hands off the "nuclear football" as soon as possible.
Click to expand...

Placeholder Pence? Really? Mike Pence is a true conservative. He's what the Republicans have dreamed about getting into the presidency but knew was too far to the right to get elected.
 
Southern Dad said:
Placeholder Pence? Really? Mike Pence is a true conservative. He's what the Republicans have dreamed about getting into the presidency but knew was too far to the right to get elected.
Click to expand...

LOL He will not unite the GOP in the Senate that is for sure. He is too far right and he will be tainted by Trump forever.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Of course he is, as much as he can. However, the orange clown presents quite the headwind for him.
Click to expand...

He will have that "headwind" as President too. He is too far right to unite the party and his approval ratings will be no better than Trumps.
 
iguanaman said:
He will have that "headwind" as President too. He is too far right to unite the party and his approval ratings will be no better than Trumps.
Click to expand...

Approval ratings? I remember those polls saying Trump couldn’t win. I remember hearing the Congress had such low approval rating but the keep getting re-elected. I just don’t think approval ratings mean much.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
iguanaman said:
'Placeholder Pence" will have little influence and the GOP Congress will continue to fight among themselves leaving bipartisan measures as the only legislation that can pass. It will not be as bad as you fear. McCain will get his wish for a return to "regular order". Isn't that what most of us should want? We need to get Trumps tiny hands off the "nuclear football" as soon as possible.
Click to expand...

Do you remember last time there was "regular order" with a GOP president (Bush), with a Republican house and senate? It was a disaster, so bad that even Donald Trump the new GOP president spent years talking about how terrible Bush and the Republicans were.

So yes, I do believe a Pence presidency would be much worse, because the establishment GOP would be much more willing to work with Pence than Trump. Plus, Pence would undoubtedly shove a very socially conservative agenda down the nation's throat.

Trump's a moron, and a man child, but because of his stupidity, and the fact that he constantly fights with members of his own political party, a lot of his agenda can't get passed.
 
Last edited:
Southern Dad said:
Placeholder Pence? Really? Mike Pence is a true conservative. He's what the Republicans have dreamed about getting into the presidency but knew was too far to the right to get elected.
Click to expand...

The only thing the Republicans care about is Tax Cuts. Pence, Rubio, Bush, even Kasich, any of them would have given them tax cuts. Trump will give it to them too, and when he does that, the establishment GOP will throw him to the wolves.

As for Republican voters, they passed up on very "conservative" Ted Cruz for a liberal from NYC like Donald Trump. Trump's rise to the presidency is irrefutable proof that your average Republican voter is anything BUT conservative.
 
Last edited:
SouthernDemocrat said:
The ACA was the biggest reform of the nation's healthcare system since Medicare. Now you might not like the ACA, but that doesn't change the fact that it took a competent president and congress to get that kind of a bill passed and signed into law.

The fact is, there is little chance of conservatives getting anything they want as long as the incompetent Trump is president. The best thing that could happen to conservatives would be somehow for Trump to have to resign and then Pence is president because he would actually know how to govern and get the conservative agenda enacted. This was a historic opportunity for conservatives, they have both houses of congress, the White House, SCOTUS, and the majority of the federal courts. It could be decades before Republicans have that kind of complete dominance in government again. Had you had a president Kasich, or Jeb, or Rubio, you would have had the ACA repealed, and a slew of conservative legislation signed into law by now.
Click to expand...

I'm not entirely convinced of this. I agree that a president Rubio, Kasich, and Bush would have had more GOP legislation signed into law by now, but since it's clear the GOP never had any alternative to the ACA...I'm not sure that even with any of those guys as president, they would have repealed it.
 
Fenton said:
Wow, Olberman's a grade A lunatic, more so since Trump won.

Why would anyone listen to his ravings ?
Click to expand...

Hey, keep up with that talk & Oberman will consider you 'The worst person in the world' & throw
papers at the TV camera like he did in his heyday!
 
MrWonka said:
No, it won't. In fact Trump seems like exactly the type of person who would quit, and pretend he did it because he wanted to rather than face the shame of either losing an election, or being thrown out of office. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him say he just doesn't feel like running for another term because he has better more important things to do. He'll claim that America is on a path to greatness thanks to him, and then run off to a golf course before he faces the humiliation of getting obliterated in 2020.
Click to expand...

Pretty close! Trump will decide that he will have done enough to 'Make America Great Again' and say he has enough faith in Pence
to finish the job & go back to the envious lifestyle he enjoyed before entering politics. Or, or Trump will decide to run 3rd party disgusted
with the likes of Paul Ryan & the 'nevertrumpers'. In this case he may not win but he will certainly get more electoral votes than whoever
the establishment candidate the Republicans pick. In that case the Republican party will be finished!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom