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Trump Voters Don't Believe Don Jr. Met Russian Lawyer

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The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.

Trump Voters Don't Believe Don Jr. Met Russian Lawyer

Less than half of recently polled Trump supporters believe Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer, despite the president's eldest son admitting he attended the controversial meeting.

The latest survey from Public Policy Polling finds that only 45 percent of Trump voters believe Trump Jr. attended a meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Trump has said he agreed to the June rendezvous at Trump Tower under a promise of dirt on President Donald Trump opponent Hillary Clinton – a claim that has drawn great public interest but has been largely downplayed by the White House and the president.

In spite of confirmation from Trump Jr. himself, 32 percent of respondents said the meeting didn't happen and 24 percent said they're not sure.
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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump's son-in-law and now-senior adviser, Jared Kushner, also attended the meeting with at least five participants linked to Russia. Despite this, survey respondents largely cleared Kushner and Trump Jr. of any broader wrongdoing, with only 9 percent saying they believed either of them engaged in illegal activity to help the president get elected.

That finding is consistent with Trump supporters' overall mindset about possible collusion, according to the findings. Just under a quarter of Trump voters said they want an investigation into whether the campaign colluded with Russia, compared to 64 percent of respondents who said they were against one.
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The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
 
Who ever has gone broke overestimating the stupidity of the American people?
 
Bad numbers in bad results out! ;)

There's Something Wrong With America's Premier Liberal Pollster
The problem with PPP's methodology
https://newrepublic.com/article/114682/ppp-polling-methodology-opaque-flawed

Pollsters, though, tend to judge one another based more on methodology than record. And for experts and competitors, the firm’s success remains difficult to explain. PPP doesn’t follow many of the industry’s best practices, like calling voters' cell phones; the firm only calls landlines. It discards hundreds of respondents in an unusual process known as “random deletion.” And because PPP's interviewers rely on lists of registered voters—rather than random digit dialing—and simply ask non-voters to hang up the phone, the firm can’t use census numbers to weight their sample, as many other pollsters do. This forces PPP to make more, and more subjective, judgments about just who will be voting.


After examining PPP’s polls from 2012 and conducting a lengthy exchange with PPP’s director, I've found that PPP withheld controversial elements of its methodology, to the extent it even has one, and treated its data inconsistently. The racial composition of PPP’s surveys was informed by whether respondents voted for Obama or John McCain in 2008, even though it wasn’t stated in its methodology. PPP then deleted the question from detailed releases to avoid criticism. Throughout its seemingly successful run, PPP used amateurish weighting techniques that distorted its samples—embracing a unique, ad hoc philosophy that, time and time again, seemed to save PPP from producing outlying results. The end result is unscientific and unsettling.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Bad numbers in bad results out! ;)

There's Something Wrong With America's Premier Liberal Pollster
The problem with PPP's methodology
https://newrepublic.com/article/114682/ppp-polling-methodology-opaque-flawed

Pollsters, though, tend to judge one another based more on methodology than record. And for experts and competitors, the firm’s success remains difficult to explain. PPP doesn’t follow many of the industry’s best practices, like calling voters' cell phones; the firm only calls landlines. It discards hundreds of respondents in an unusual process known as “random deletion.” And because PPP's interviewers rely on lists of registered voters—rather than random digit dialing—and simply ask non-voters to hang up the phone, the firm can’t use census numbers to weight their sample, as many other pollsters do. This forces PPP to make more, and more subjective, judgments about just who will be voting.


After examining PPP’s polls from 2012 and conducting a lengthy exchange with PPP’s director, I've found that PPP withheld controversial elements of its methodology, to the extent it even has one, and treated its data inconsistently. The racial composition of PPP’s surveys was informed by whether respondents voted for Obama or John McCain in 2008, even though it wasn’t stated in its methodology. PPP then deleted the question from detailed releases to avoid criticism. Throughout its seemingly successful run, PPP used amateurish weighting techniques that distorted its samples—embracing a unique, ad hoc philosophy that, time and time again, seemed to save PPP from producing outlying results. The end result is unscientific and unsettling.
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Nice source you got there. For some reason FiveThirtyEight.com gives PPP a B+ rating
 
Somerville said:
The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.



The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
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From Donald Trump. They believe every word he says.
 
Somerville said:
The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.



The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
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I was watching Fox News this morning and they were complaining about the fact that the intelligence community and the MSM were twisting Trump's message. They basically said, that Trump was right and all those other people are wrong.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I was watching Fox News this morning and they were complaining about the fact that the intelligence community and the MSM were twisting Trump's message. They basically said, that Trump was right and all those other people are wrong.
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Fox is officially the trump news network.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I was watching Fox News this morning and they were complaining about the fact that the intelligence community and the MSM were twisting Trump's message. They basically said, that Trump was right and all those other people are wrong.
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"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield." – George Orwell
 
Somerville said:
The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.



The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
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Praise Allah, there was a shortage of leftist loonery on DP.
 
Somerville said:
The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.



The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
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It's polarization in action. Most Democrats and Clinton supporters will never believe Trump or Trump Jr. innocent whether he is or not. Most Republicans and especially Trump supporters will never believe he is guilty of anything whether he is or not. Neither is willing to give the system a chance and neither will believe the outcome if it is opposite of what they now believe.
 
Perotista said:
It's polarization in action. Most Democrats and Clinton supporters will never believe Trump or Trump Jr. innocent whether he is or not. Most Republicans and especially Trump supporters will never believe he is guilty of anything whether he is or not. Neither is willing to give the system a chance and neither will believe the outcome if it is opposite of what they now believe.
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lol, we don't believe Trump because he has lied to our face hundreds of times, IN HIS OWN WORDS, basically his entire presidency (and the run-up)!
I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt during the campaign, and I made it maybe 3 weeks into his presidency before he convinced me that he had no business being in office.

I had one view, and changed it based on Trump's words/deeds.

Is that asking too ****ing much of hyper-partisan asshats? Yes, yes it is. Don't try to whitewash it as though this is all normal and both sides are guilty, that's bull****.
 
Perotista said:
It's polarization in action. Most Democrats and Clinton supporters will never believe Trump or Trump Jr. innocent whether he is or not. Most Republicans and especially Trump supporters will never believe he is guilty of anything whether he is or not. Neither is willing to give the system a chance and neither will believe the outcome if it is opposite of what they now believe.
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I tire of the false equivalency. Trump and his supporters are more politically reckless and less informed than other political factions. There is no balance anymore.
 
Mach said:
lol, we don't believe Trump because he has lied to our face hundreds of times, IN HIS OWN WORDS, basically his entire presidency (and the run-up)!
I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt during the campaign, and I made it maybe 3 weeks into his presidency before he convinced me that he had no business being in office.

I had one view, and changed it based on Trump's words/deeds.

Is that asking too ****ing much of hyper-partisan asshats? Yes, yes it is. Don't try to whitewash it as though this is all normal and both sides are guilty, that's bull****.
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I'm one a a very few who just sits quietly and waits on Mueller. I probably would be more inclined to view Trump like you do if the Democrats hadn't set out to destroy him since the day after the election. I can't determine what is true and what isn't. Fact or political propaganda. So I shall wait. He may be guilty as all Hades, or it may be nothing more than the politics of personal destruction.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I tire of the false equivalency. Trump and his supporters are more politically reckless and less informed than other political factions. There is no balance anymore.
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Has there ever been? Politics have left the arena of substance and gone into personal destruction. There was no substances, no putting forth of ideas, solutions, visions even last year. Just each side trying to destroy the other. Trump was more guilty of that than Clinton or anyone else. That I'll give you. He's an egotistical, obnoxious reality TV show host of manage against all odds to beat a baggage laden Hillary Clinton.
 
JamesBY said:
Don Jr. said he met the Russians.

Trump voters must be stupid.
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You should paint houses for a living, that broad brush you like use could complete a house in a couple of strokes.
 
Mach said:
I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt during the campaign, and I made it maybe 3 weeks into his presidency before he convinced me that he had no business being in office.
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Really? I don't think I lasted 24 hours. I remember talking to my landlord when he announced. She loved him, but I thought something was off with his message. Just like I did when Obama announced. But for Trump, It wasn't just the same feel good type political promise, it was like he was mocking the people who believed what he was talking about. Then a few months later he was talking about abortion and he said that in a world where abortions were illegal people who had abortions would have to go to jail. This isn't what any conservative person wants! If I liked Trump within those few months between his announcement and that comment it disappeared completely after that. Then it all went to hell shortly afterwards.
 
hanger4 said:
You should paint houses for a living, that broad brush you like use could complete a house in a couple of strokes.
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hanger4, Don Jr. said it. No ifs ands or buts. There is no broad brush. If you believe what you say, then you are with Trump until the bitter end. And there is a political price to pay for that. The Dems will wrench the entire system to the far left.
 
Somerville said:
The propaganda machinery has been so successful in creating hatred toward mainstream media outlets, that even when the person named in an article admits the article is true, some Americans refuse to accept the news.



The question that must be answered: WHERE are these deniers getting their 'news'?
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They are so used to Trump lies. FOX iies. Breitbart lies. Etc, etc. They live in some parallel universe.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Who ever has gone broke overestimating the stupidity of the American people?
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Reminiscent of the German people with Hitler. Remember your God and idol said that his little minions would be loyal even if he shot someone on Main street.

You must be so proud

Cue up you "Elite" retort.
 
Top Cat said:
Reminiscent of the German people with Hitler. Remember your God and idol said that his little minions would be loyal even if he shot someone on Main street.

You must be so proud

Cue up you "Elite" retort.
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Strange, I thought it was 5th Ave.
 
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