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The two most respected men on Fox News dish it out and agree on all the lies!
Junior's email chain -- which he forwarded to Manafort and Kushner long before its release -- has exposed the lie in pretty much every single thing the Trump administration has said about Russia in the last year.
At the very least, there's a few people guilty of perjury here.
Only if they lied under oath. Who has done that?
Sessions, Flyn and Kushner at the very least. Why do you ask?
A disclosure form is a document that is sworn to.
The question is how many in the current administration have done that? I think we can think of a few, don't you all agree?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin#cite_note-Eckel-7In 2009, he obtained citizenship of the United States. Akhmetshin told Politico: "Just because I was born in Russia doesn't mean I am an agent of [the] Kremlin."
What is your basis for that legal opinion? Are you a lawyer, sir?
Junior's email chain -- which he forwarded to Manafort and Kushner long before its release -- has exposed the lie in pretty much every single thing the Trump administration has said about Russia in the last year.
At the very least, there's a few people guilty of perjury here.
The basis is that they lied under oath. It's an objective fact. I.E., it's reality.
I only deal in reality. I recommend that to everyone.
I take your failure to answer my question as your acknowledgment that you're not a lawyer. Some people might think that's relevant in deciding how much weight to give your assertions about matters of law.
Disclosure forms can be amended retroactively. It is done all the time.
In fact, the meeting in question was "discovered" as the result of Jared Kushner's amending his disclosure form.
Of note; according to the news reports there were three other people present at the Trump Jr. meeting.
This included: Rinat Akhmetshin a Russian-American lobbyist; a translator; and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting.
The "Russian Agent" Trump Jr. is supposed to have failed to mention is Rinat Akhmetshin...who happens to be a naturalized AMERICAN citizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin#cite_note-Eckel-7
Nor is he registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), although some believe that he should be.
He is a lobbyist for hire and has been working with Veselnitskaya's organization to overturn the Magnitsky adoption ban sanctions.
As he is an American citizen, there is no obligation to report him as a "foreign contact" on any disclosure form.
Do you think the amending happened out of a spontaneous recall....or do you think he amended because it is better for him to do it before the "aha" moment happened ?Disclosure forms can be amended retroactively. It is done all the time.
In fact, the meeting in question was "discovered" as the result of Jared Kushner's amending his disclosure form.
Of note; according to the news reports there were three other people present at the Trump Jr. meeting.
This included: Rinat Akhmetshin a Russian-American lobbyist; a translator; and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting.
The "Russian Agent" Trump Jr. is supposed to have failed to mention is Rinat Akhmetshin...who happens to be a naturalized AMERICAN citizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin#cite_note-Eckel-7
Nor is he registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), although some believe that he should be.
He is a lobbyist for hire and has been working with Veselnitskaya's organization to overturn the Magnitsky adoption ban sanctions.
As he is an American citizen, there is no obligation to report him as a "foreign contact" on any disclosure form.
Born in Russia, Akhmetshin served in the Soviet military and emigrated to the U.S., where he holds dual citizenship.
Former Soviet Counterintelligence Officer at Meeting With Donald Trump Jr. and Russian Lawyer - NBC News
Do you think the amending happened out of a spontaneous recall....or do you think he amended because it is better for him to do it before the "aha" moment happened ?
The elite have been bigtime liars for a long time, there is nothing new here.
A disclosure form is a document that is sworn to.
The question is how many in the current administration have done that? I think we can think of a few, don't you all agree?
Irrelevant. :shrug:
I don't see this as an either/or proposition like you propose. I prefer to look at things in the best light possible. In this case, after the Flynn incident I think all of Trump's staff were told to do a fact check and update their forms to the best of their ability.
I think that people meet lots of other people over the course of their lifetimes, typically considering such meetings unimportant.
I also believe it is easy to forget meeting with "foreigners" when the meeting is of minor or non-importance.
I would challenge anyone to list ALL the people they have ever met that might be a citizen of a foreign nation.
Finally, this meeting with Trump Jr. was probably one of several hundred that were going on during the campaign, and according to all reports, turned out to be a bait and switch. Since nothing came of it there was nothing to remember.
Irrelevant. :shrug:
I don't see this as an either/or proposition like you propose. I prefer to look at things in the best light possible. In this case, after the Flynn incident I think all of Trump's staff were told to do a fact check and update their forms to the best of their ability.
As for being expected to remember every meeting that subsequently seems to be important, when it was not considered so at the time?
I think that people meet lots of other people over the course of their lifetimes, typically considering such meetings unimportant.
This meeting with Trump Jr. was probably one of several hundred that were going on during the campaign, and according to all reports, turned out to be a bait and switch. Since nothing came of it there was nothing to remember.
I also believe it is easy to forget meeting with "foreigners" when the meeting is of minor or non-importance.
I would challenge anyone to list ALL the people they have ever met that might be a citizen of a foreign nation.
Junior's email chain -- which he forwarded to Manafort and Kushner long before its release -- has exposed the lie in pretty much every single thing the Trump administration has said about Russia in the last year.
At the very least, there's a few people guilty of perjury here.
It is not necessary for a person to remember each and every meeting ever.
But if someone wants security clearance and such and cannot remember a meeting that was taken with foreign players in order to attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the opponents campaign.....they either have serious memory loss and should see a neurologist ASAP or they purposefully left it off a form. This was not a spontaneous meeting. It was planned and important to him.....even if it did turn out to be a "nothing burger"
I stand by what I said.
I believe he was in danger of being outed during the ongoing investigation and tried to cover his ass.
It was "planned and important," then turned out to be nothing of the kind.
Ask any campaign organizer; how many attempts are made to meet and influence a candidate which end up being a complete waste of time?
One can recall such meetings may have happened, but one would typically considered them unimportant simply because they were a waste of time.
What you and other's seem to think is that simply because he agreed to meet to hear some dirt, this means there was intent to collude and thus probably actual collusion.
However, listening to alleged information, and using it are two different things.
Let's try looking at this in the best (rather than your lean, the worst) light possible.
Suppose Trump Jr. wanted to hear it to see if it was usable, isn't is also possible that he wanted to hear it to see if it needed to be reported?
In any case, I repeat...it turned out to be a complete waste of time, just another lobby attempt for a special interest, and that's the end of it.
NOTE: I still don't believe there was any collusion. However, if actual evidence of clear criminality is revealed? I have no problem with taking the appropriate legal action to deal with it, even if this ultimately results in valid impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors."