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Why do conservatives complain about media bias?

According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

No his whole point is that the conservatives whining about fake news don't realize that most people trust the media. That if the media really were telling all these lies there would be mass non-partisan backlash. There is only pointless conservative backlash. So the conservatives move on to other sources they trust. That's the free market at work.

Maybe you should re-read his post. His whole argument is based on the economic repercussions of producing erroneous reports. What he misses is that a LOT of people don't want truth, they want to have their biases reinforced.
 
Just sayin
 

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Just a couple of points here:

1. What makes you think that news media is "successful" in any economic sense these days? Newspapers are closing up shop on a regular basis, laying off staff regularly, losing advertising revenue at alarming rates and generally no longer trusted by those who were their regular customers/audience.
Newspapers are largely getting killed not because people consume less news media, but because people are mostl consuming news online, and want it for free.

Newspapers were heavily reliant on subscriptions for physical paper, as well as classified ads. Both of those were severely damaged by competitors offering the same services for free (Craigslist), or news stories for free. Or worse, offering that media outlet's stories for free (via news aggregators and/or deep linking).

Media outlets also underwent a big round of consolidation in the wake of the Reagan and other deregulations.

Unsurprisingly, the news media is subject to political polarization. E.g. nearly 90% of Democrats believe the media should have a watchdog role; Republicans knock that down to 42%. In January 2016, over 70% of both Democrats and Republicans believed that was an important role. Hmmmmm

As to other types of success, the media may be on a bit of an upswing. Companies like the NY Times have seen a big run-up in paid subscriptions; more people are watching cable news; more people are paying attention to media in general; and mobile devices are used more and more for news. (Americans? Attitudes About the News Media Deeply Divided Along Partisan Lines | Pew Research Center)

As to trust: That is a broader issue, affecting numerous institutions in the US. Congress, churches, banks, and the Presidency have all lost more trust than the news media.

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]2. Not sure if the US is the same as Canada, but the government here, and I suspect in the US as well, controls not only who has access to the limited slots available on the airwaves but also regulates what can be carried over those airwaves.
Nope, that's mostly gone. It's been deregulated for years.

OTA TV is purely a commercial venture. "Equal time" requirements went away in the 80s.

There are no ideological requirements whatsoever for cable news. It's strictly commercial.


There was a time when journalists like Walter Cronkite were watched and trusted world wide to report the news in an unbiased and straight forward manner. Those days are long gone.
That's because there were far fewer news outlets, and more trust in a variety of institutions.

Back then, it was basically ABC, CBS, NBC, public broadcasting (both TV and radio), and your local newspaper. That was pretty much it. Today, there are hundreds of media outlets, instant international access to news events, and people filming events and posting them on Facebook Live.

And if Cronkite were alive and working today, he'd be vilified for his reporting. Partisans aren't looking for neutrality, y'know.

The media also did things that would not fly today. For example, the media was well aware of shenanigans in the White House, such as JFK's mistresses; they kept it quiet. For a variety of reasons, that got blown away by the Gary Hart scandal (How Gary Hart and 'Monkey Business' Changed the Media and Politics - The Leonard Lopate Show - WNYC). These days, a failure to report something like a mistress would be classified not as restraint, but as favoritism.
 
Yeah, that was a pretty big stain for them wasn't it.

Yea. I have no idea how they escaped that one. It was blatant AND intentional. It fooled me originally. To the point that my opinion on the incident was different than now. I learned from that though. Sadly many others are not thah bright.
 
Maybe you should re-read his post. His whole argument is based on the economic repercussions of producing erroneous reports. What he misses is that a LOT of people don't want truth, they want to have their biases reinforced.

but cons complain about the bias of successful news orgs. How is it they are facing economic repercussions. If they are biased they shouldn't be doing well
 
They just point it out as it occurs because media bias is many things not the least of which is common, wrong, and usually blatantly hypocritical....

Kill ‘Fox & Friends’ before it’s too late

A washington post opinion piece from yesterday from a tds sufferer leading with the same words that inspire islamic and democrat terrorists alike.


The double standard is clear.

When the cnn logo got bodyslammed in a humor video:

[video]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/trump-wrestling-tweet-cnn-ana-navarro-media-killed-response-latest-a7821336.html[/video]

[video]http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/02/media-horrified-after-trump-tweets-video-body-slamming-cnn/[/video]

At least the first guy doesnt claim to be news. Unfortunately the washington compost does and they are now complicit if another inspired democrat terrorist guns down the staff while they are playing baseball.

The terrible atmosphere of the 24 hour social media news cycle with the ability to join identity politics echo chamber groups has changed the way people think. In this day and age it is ok to shut down anyone that disagrees with you any way you can (ridicule, name calling, tear up a starbucks, attack a speech, etc). If you cannot shut them down then in some cases the result is to go get a gun.


Sad.
 
but cons complain about the bias of successful news orgs. How is it they are facing economic repercussions. If they are biased they shouldn't be doing well

Did you even read what he said? He said "a lot of people don't want truth, they want to have their biases reinforced." If they're biased, they'll do well among those who want that bias.
 
Did you even read what he said? He said "a lot of people don't want truth, they want to have their biases reinforced." If they're biased, they'll do well among those who want that bias.

So? As I said, that's the free market at work.

If the press was as bad as you guys say it is, then they shouldn't be doing well, but it turns out it is doing just fine.

Conservative complaining about media bias means that conservatives are complaining about the free market. If people want those biases, there's nothing in a free market that says you can't have them and if you want to you can choose not to listen to them.
 
So? As I said, that's the free market at work.

If the press was as bad as you guys say it is, then they shouldn't be doing well, but it turns out it is doing just fine.

This is idiotic.

It was just explained to you why this argument is idiotic. Heck, I explained as much in the third post of this thread.

If a lot of people want their news to be biased, then that news will do well. Why are you having such trouble understanding that?
 
Why do conservatives complain about media bias?

Because we are not in the USSA yet, and we enjoy using our Constitutional Right to free speech to illustrate the extremes of The Goebbels Media's collusion and propagandizing on behalf of the Demo*rat Partei.

It has been quite successful, especially since Trump declared his candidacy.

Since Trump's announcement, and especially since the SHOC* & AWE of November 8, 2016, the Goebbels Media has exposed itself as being just that, bat**** crazy propagandists, and with it have destroyed their credibility. Flushed down the crapper, as CNN's 13th place in the ratings ... behind cartoons... has illustrated.

Spreading the word and pointing out their sic* bias is to the benefit of the nation. Of course, Demo*rats do not like it.

If people believe The Goebbels Media is doing a wonderful job, let me answer where they are heading>>> Air Ameri*a. If only Air Ameri*a had marketed themselves as a comedy network... they'd have had a following of more than seven listeners.

Might be something for The Goebbels Media to consider, because they have become... a jo*e.
 
How true, most people want their political ideology reinforced by whatever news station or channel they are watching.

Not everyone. I get enough information that I know when a source is mostly utter BS. I have a list of what I think are reasonably unbiased news sources, and none of the major networks or syndicated radio shows are on it. I can't stand bloviators or obvious shills. Unfortunately, it sells so there are a lot of them.

This is a pretty decent filter : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
 
This is idiotic.

It was just explained to you why this argument is idiotic. Heck, I explained as much in the third post of this thread.

If a lot of people want their news to be biased, then that news will do well. Why are you having such trouble understanding that?

The free market dictates if they don't like a certain bias, then that bias shouldn't be doing well. Supply and Demand. Right?
 
So the right wing is just too weak and powerless to be an effective force in the media?

It appears you read it, it doesn't appear you comprehended what you read. It was an incremental process over the course of 3 generations. It will not reverse itself in 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years...maybe 30.
 
The free market dictates if they don't like a certain bias, then that bias shouldn't be doing well. Supply and Demand. Right?

People in this thread: "If a lot of people want bias, then bias will do well in the market."

You, repeatedly, in response: "If it's biased, then why is it doing well?"

Seriously, what IS your problem?
 
It appears you read it, it doesn't appear you comprehended what you read. It was an incremental process over the course of 3 generations. It will not reverse itself in 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years...maybe 30.

But why was it a an incremental process? It was not done by force. No one stopped the right wing from gaining any influence in the media. They must have just stopped themselves. Why?
 
People in this thread: "If a lot of people want bias, then bias will do well in the market."

You, repeatedly, in response: "If it's biased, then why is it doing well?"

Seriously, what IS your problem?

No that is not what I said. I said if a certain bias is not wanted, then it shouldn't be doing well. I never once questioned why biases do well in the media. That's what conservatives are doing. They don't seem to want a liberal bias. At all!
 
But why was it a an incremental process? It was not done by force. No one stopped the right wing from gaining any influence in the media. They must have just stopped themselves. Why?

Either you are ignorant about the cultural impact of Watergate and Vietnam on journalism and who it attracted as a profession or you are playing you don't understand the issue. But you could educate yourself independently of my input, because I am not going spend time laying it all out and sourcing it all.
 
Either you are ignorant about the cultural impact of Watergate and Vietnam on journalism and who it attracted as a profession or you are playing you don't understand the issue. But you could educate yourself independently of my input, because I am not going spend time laying it all out and sourcing it all.

You seem upset. I am well versed in our history I assure you. I think you are seeing the truth and you do not like it. If the media is liberal in the US its because that is they way the people want it.
 
Probably complain for the same reason liberals complain about Fox...if it doesn't support their personal political opinion it must be bias. Or these days "fake". ;)
 
Not everyone. I get enough information that I know when a source is mostly utter BS. I have a list of what I think are reasonably unbiased news sources, and none of the major networks or syndicated radio shows are on it. I can't stand bloviators or obvious shills. Unfortunately, it sells so there are a lot of them.

This is a pretty decent filter : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

That's why I said most people. I usually switch back and forth between CNN and Fox. Compare and take each with a grain of salt.
 
That's why I said most people. I usually switch back and forth between CNN and Fox. Compare and take each with a grain of salt.

My gym has a long row of TVs. I can look at Fox, then look over at MSNBC - that's amusing.

CNN is at the other end. I don't really pay them a lot of attention. I read the CC from time to time, but I'm mostly listening to music.
 
Yeah, you did:

That is not what I believe. That is what the Cons complaining about the media bias are saying. Oftentimes I hear about the fact that there is a stranglehold on the news media because there are so many liberals operating in it. Well there is literally nothing stopping Breitbart or Fox News or other newer outlets from being successful in the business. So Cons completely contradict themselves by wondering why liberal outlets tend to do better. Obviously con thinking is in the minority.
 
According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

Because they display the greatest amount of bias. I'm not sure people want unbiased news. If they did then your scenario would play out and that appears not to be the case. Personally I find the bias entertaining but not convincing.
 
That is not what I believe. That is what the Cons complaining about the media bias are saying. Oftentimes I hear about the fact that there is a stranglehold on the news media because there are so many liberals operating in it. Well there is literally nothing stopping Breitbart or Fox News or other newer outlets from being successful in the business. So Cons completely contradict themselves by wondering why liberal outlets tend to do better. Obviously con thinking is in the minority.

This is gibberish.
 
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