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Why do conservatives complain about media bias?

So was the media conservative biased under Bush?

In Europe or at least in Germany and France the media were severely biased against Bush a the damage that did made it rational for Schröder to position himself with Putin in support of Saddam in the negotiations running up to the invasion. Arguably this was one of the causes that led to the invasion.
 
The complaint is in certain organizations PRETENDING to be professional news (and then their biased viewers doing the same)...on one hand...and then in the other resorting to mafia-Esque tactics to blackmail and bully people into not espousing opposing viewpoints. And of course blatant lies and misleading the public and creating a narrative that gets people shot or some people accused of racism and compromising their right to a fair trial (Zimmerman NBC edited audio).

Yeah, that was a pretty big stain for them wasn't it.
 
My question has always been....If the left wing controls the media how did the right wing get so weak and powerless in this area?

Watergate
Vietnam
Shift to a liberal ideology in Colleges.

Those three things combined have given 4 generations of liberal outlook in journalism as well as cementing it into the college environment. Moving it back to a neutral observance standard will be a monumental task. Of course, first journalism has to be honest enough to admit their lack of objectivity...don't hold your breath.
 
For one the environment of the 'mainstream media' ( I kind of hate that term but that's another subject ) is far from a free market. As to turning to other media sources. Some do of course. I suppose that's how Fox came to be. well until the murdochs kids got a hold of it now its turning away so I hear.
Myself, I got sick of news media years ago. I will watch vid clips and read articles. I always when possible check multiple sources.

How is it far from the free market??? You didn't explain this.
 
The free market should not exist in news media. There should be one rule.. report the facts and ALL the facts, and let the people decide.

Why not?
How do you know "reporting the facts," won't lead to the same so-called media bias you perceive now?
 
And how did the right wing get so little representation in the media? And if a media outlet can get rich with a right wing bias....why wouldn't they do it?

Your premise if false - who's getting rich in media these days?? I'd only be guessing, but I don't know too many people making a fortune in media these days. Murdoch made a fortune in newspapers starting in Australia and then Britain, and parlayed that into FOX with a lot of success, but nobody is investing in new on air news and print media because the internet is where it's at and far cheaper to enter.

All of which is irrelevant to the initial point I made.
 
Why not?
How do you know "reporting the facts," won't lead to the same so-called media bias you perceive now?

Because reporting ALL the facts is just that... facts. There is no bias if all the facts are given.
 
They government (FCC) regulates them. There have been government stipulations as to what is and is not media which sometimes plays favorites.

The FCC does not regulate content. That is simply wrong
 
According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

FOX news is a new station, specializing in one thing. ABC, NBC and CBS have all types of programing, from sitcoms to movies, to drama, to news, to concerts, to sports. It is more about entertainment then education. They have sports announcers making political statements where entertainment merges with education. Their market share is more geared toward entertainment, with news stuck in the middle between entertainment shows. The 11 o'clock news is between drama and late night comedy.

An analogy between FOX and ABC, is like going to a specially paint store, that sells paint and paint sundries versus a Big Box store that sells everything. If the goal is to paint your house, the paint store will have specialty products and information to meet your specific needs. The Big Box has a little of everything, such that people coming in for wood, may also decide they will need to paint. The Big Box is more about cost savings and self service, than top self product and expert advice. This can make some people not think they should look for a second opinion.

Conservatives know that many people watch main stream news between their bread and butter programs; drama and comedy. If the big box wanted to keep them entertained, for viewer continuity, they could focus news on gossip and drama, and not just facts. This is a better formula for an entertainment driven audience, who the networks do not wish to stray. They prefer them not be bored with a purely educational news program. FOX is a one trick pony whose audience is more about education.

CNN is news based but since it is part of the liberal media complex, which is dominated by entertainment, they tend to use the mainstream formula, since their viewers tend to prefer entertainment, fantasy and sport statistics; polls.
 
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Because reporting ALL the facts is just that... facts. There is no bias if all the facts are given.

Who says they don't? The way you are saying that makes me think you want it done from a certain perspective. Even though that itself will be a form of regulation. Regulating what journalists and talking heads can and can't speculate on.
 
Who says they don't? The way you are saying that makes me think you want it done from a certain perspective. Even though that itself will be a form of regulation. Regulating what journalists and talking heads can and can't speculate on.

They dont. It is not a right wing or left wing thing.. it is pretty much universal. It is often excused as "editorial prerogative", but it is often a bull**** excuse.

Take the coverage of the Trump speech in Poland.

You had the right wing media praising his presidential speech and trying to link him to Reagan yet again.
You had the left wing media basically doing nothing to challenge the right wing narrative and even some praising the speech.

What you did not have to any significant aspect, was reporting (by either side), that the crowd was bussed in and the fact that Polish government is a right wing government with deep ties to the GOP. These 2 bits of information are vital in context of the speech and the crowds. What you also did not have in the coverage of the speech, was the fact that he was basically reading up Polish history to a bunch of Poles... read the speech and you will see. Basically, key facts were left out by both sides that would have shown the true nature of the speech...and from that you can as a person make up your own mind if he is the next coming of Reagan or just a hustler.

Another example from the last few days. The US right is claiming now that Comey via a Hill article.. divulged classified material in his memos about the Trump meeting. Fine, but what very few did was question the article and especially the journalist behind the article. Not only was there the usual "unnamed sources", but the fact that the guy use to be an editor on the Washington Times, and worked for the Sinclair Broadcast Group.. should have sent up red flags instantly. Again, lack of facts and information on a story. Oh and if you did not know, the Sinclair Broadcasting Group is a pro-Trump local media organisation that pushes right wing propaganda in their news reporting.

Or the sadly classic of Brexit. The pro-Brexit media were lying through their teeth the whole campaign. The anti-Brexit were far better in reporting the facts.. problem was, that the pro-Brexit media dominates British media and the only semi independent media, aka the TV broadcasting, more than once dropped the ball. I never saw any reporting on the fact that the UK can deport unemployed EU migrants. Why? Because it is up to the British government to implement such a policy, something none of them ever have... why is that? Is it not worth the reporting time to point this out? Why was this fact left out of the debate?.. among many facts about the EU and migration.

Time and time facts are being left out so that a specific narrative can be formed by the media in question.. that is NOT THEIR JOB!. They are there to report the facts and let the people form their own opinion based on ALL THE FACTs.

You might call me naive or whatever... I believe in freedom of the press from interference from politicians and the corporate elite. We the people deserve to know the facts, not the alternative facts that the politicians want us to know and it is the job of the media to provide those facts and police the political and corporate establishment.
 
They dont. It is not a right wing or left wing thing.. it is pretty much universal. It is often excused as "editorial prerogative", but it is often a bull**** excuse.

Take the coverage of the Trump speech in Poland.

You had the right wing media praising his presidential speech and trying to link him to Reagan yet again.
You had the left wing media basically doing nothing to challenge the right wing narrative and even some praising the speech.

What you did not have to any significant aspect, was reporting (by either side), that the crowd was bussed in and the fact that Polish government is a right wing government with deep ties to the GOP. These 2 bits of information are vital in context of the speech and the crowds. What you also did not have in the coverage of the speech, was the fact that he was basically reading up Polish history to a bunch of Poles... read the speech and you will see. Basically, key facts were left out by both sides that would have shown the true nature of the speech...and from that you can as a person make up your own mind if he is the next coming of Reagan or just a hustler.

Another example from the last few days. The US right is claiming now that Comey via a Hill article.. divulged classified material in his memos about the Trump meeting. Fine, but what very few did was question the article and especially the journalist behind the article. Not only was there the usual "unnamed sources", but the fact that the guy use to be an editor on the Washington Times, and worked for the Sinclair Broadcast Group.. should have sent up red flags instantly. Again, lack of facts and information on a story. Oh and if you did not know, the Sinclair Broadcasting Group is a pro-Trump local media organisation that pushes right wing propaganda in their news reporting.

Or the sadly classic of Brexit. The pro-Brexit media were lying through their teeth the whole campaign. The anti-Brexit were far better in reporting the facts.. problem was, that the pro-Brexit media dominates British media and the only semi independent media, aka the TV broadcasting, more than once dropped the ball. I never saw any reporting on the fact that the UK can deport unemployed EU migrants. Why? Because it is up to the British government to implement such a policy, something none of them ever have... why is that? Is it not worth the reporting time to point this out? Why was this fact left out of the debate?.. among many facts about the EU and migration.

Time and time facts are being left out so that a specific narrative can be formed by the media in question.. that is NOT THEIR JOB!. They are there to report the facts and let the people form their own opinion based on ALL THE FACTs.

You might call me naive or whatever... I believe in freedom of the press from interference from politicians and the corporate elite. We the people deserve to know the facts, not the alternative facts that the politicians want us to know and it is the job of the media to provide those facts and police the political and corporate establishment.

Sure it is getting harder and harder for people to distinguish who they can trust in the media, but that's not the fault of the media. The media goes through hoops getting people that can be controversial or news-worthy so that they can so that they can get the most rounded opinions on the topic. If they are noisy well that's the fault of the commentator not the news media itself. There's lots of competition out there and sometimes that's what you gotta do to be heard.

I may not like how cozy certain media outlets have been to politicians and I wish their interviews were more hard-hitting interrogations rather than just letting politicians walk all over them with talking points, but usually I can find right after the interview hard-hitting analysis of the thing. The fact that you were able to find the information you were looking for on all the topics that you talked about only proves your point wrong. The facts are out there, and it IS up to the people to decide. CNN isn't a history channel. They don't do research on ancient facts left out by President Trump (unless obvious).
 
According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

Feeding people the lies they want to hear is just as financially successful as feeding the truth, more so in some cases, so your argument is completely invalid.
 
Feeding people the lies they want to hear is just as financially successful as feeding the truth, more so in some cases, so your argument is completely invalid.

I don't think that invalidates his point at all! If people buy into lies, that just means the free market is working. Because they have the freedom to choose the truth over lies and they choose not to.
 
I don't think that invalidates his point at all! If people buy into lies, that just means the free market is working. Because they have the freedom to choose the truth over lies and they choose not to.

His whole point is that telling the truth equates to sound fiscal results, when the facts are that telling lies is just as fiscally sound. It's a house of cards that's easily toppled.
 
Your premise if false - who's getting rich in media these days?? I'd only be guessing, but I don't know too many people making a fortune in media these days. Murdoch made a fortune in newspapers starting in Australia and then Britain, and parlayed that into FOX with a lot of success, but nobody is investing in new on air news and print media because the internet is where it's at and far cheaper to enter.

All of which is irrelevant to the initial point I made.

Are you kidding? Do you think those media outlets are charities? They are for profit businesses and they care about making money. That is ridiculous
 
Watergate
Vietnam
Shift to a liberal ideology in Colleges.

Those three things combined have given 4 generations of liberal outlook in journalism as well as cementing it into the college environment. Moving it back to a neutral observance standard will be a monumental task. Of course, first journalism has to be honest enough to admit their lack of objectivity...don't hold your breath.

So the right wing is just too weak and powerless to be an effective force in the media?
 
According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

Because the MSM claims they arent biased. Do you see conservatives complaining all the time about actually liberal admitted media? They distrust the MSM because it is intentionally deceptive.
 
Because the MSM claims they arent biased. Do you see conservatives complaining all the time about actually liberal admitted media? They distrust the MSM because it is intentionally deceptive.

If they are biased its because that is what the people want. Ratings are king
 
Because that's the impression you get from reading the posts in this forum. CNN, ABC, NBC etc. are all assumed to have some "liberal bias" while Fox, Breitbart and others are assumed to be relatively free of it. Most people clearly feel that way about their political views, or they wouldn't have herded themselves into camps like they do.

Obviously, news networks with biased audiences will deliberately avoid stories that question their viewers biases, but that doesn't mean the stories they do aren't worthy, legitimate pieces of journalism. I just find it hard for someone to fathom how major Mainstream Media outlets can be biased when sites like Drudge Report aren't. The alternative is to go ahead and say "well, all media is biased" and that clearly isn't the case.

My point here is that you can have channels like Fox or MSNBC that deliberately filter out information that doesn't subtract from the legitimate journalism these outlets are essentially forced to do because of their viewership. You can't reach millions of people while only catering to the biases of a select few all or most of the time.

Who on this forum claims that FNC or Breitbart is free from bias?
 
When the masses are being brainwashed in a dishonest way, about the most important topics, do you really need to ask why people are opposed to it?

I could say the same thing about people who rely Brietbart and Fox News for their info. It seems like Republican politicians can use the "liberal media" as a get out of jail free card and their base will allow to that do. The liberal media card increasing seems like a way to demand zero accountability from Republican politicians.

But a couple if questions:

1. Is media bias questions still relevant in an age where I can find type of news site I want on the web?

2. How liberal is the media? It seems like the media gave Bush a free pass in the lead up to the Iraq war and if the media is so liberal, why doesn't Noam Chomsky have a show on CNN?
 
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His whole point is that telling the truth equates to sound fiscal results, when the facts are that telling lies is just as fiscally sound. It's a house of cards that's easily toppled.

No his whole point is that the conservatives whining about fake news don't realize that most people trust the media. That if the media really were telling all these lies there would be mass non-partisan backlash. There is only pointless conservative backlash. So the conservatives move on to other sources they trust. That's the free market at work.
 
According to free market economics, bias in the mainstream media shouldn't be a thing. If a news company produces one biased report, then consumers would be turned off and consume some other, competing, non-biased news source, which would subsequently be consumed by more people. That would be bad for the news company, which has had to invest significant time and resources to produce these reports. So why is it that conservatives only distrust news companies that have clearly succeeded in this system such as ABC, NBC, CNN etc.?

In the land of free speech and free press, anything short of written malice is A-OK. Markets decide if that winner is the Enquirer or ABC or Fox. Of course, the Right wants to limit free speech and free press, make everything like Fox. But that is not really what you are addressing.
 
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