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Trump Vs Obama 1st 100 days coverage

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There has been allot of talk about the liberal hate machine causing violence. One of the rationalizations from the left has been that it was the same for them for the past 8yrs under Obama.

I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting. However our memories sometimes play tricks on us so I decided to research it a bit and this is the results.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085

TRUMP 80% NEG 20% POS
OBAMA 41% NEG 59% POS
GW BUSH 57% NEG 43% POS
CLINTON 60% NEG 40% POS

Those numbers Trump recieved twice as much negative coverage as Obama and Obama recieved 3 times as much positive coverage than Trump recieves.

That seems to indicate that the toxic enviroment is not the same. It has gotten much worse under Trump by far.

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trouble13 said:
There has been allot of talk about the liberal hate machine causing violence. One of the rationalizations from the left has been that it was the same for them for the past 8yrs under Obama.

I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting. However our memories sometimes play tricks on us so I decided to research it a bit and this is the results.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085

TRUMP 80% NEG 20% POS
OBAMA 41% NEG 59% POS
GW BUSH 57% NEG 43% POS
CLINTON 60% NEG 40% POS

Those numbers Trump recieved twice as much negative coverage as Obama and Obama recieved 3 times as much positive coverage than Trump recieves.

That seems to indicate that the toxic enviroment is not the same. It has gotten much worse under Trump by far.

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Every metric I have seen shows the media has fixated on negative reporting on the Trump Administration at levels never seen before.

The left and their media partners will argue it is because the President himself is the cause.

As Comey's testimony proved, their efforts involve fabrication, deceit, and little more than propaganda.

The left and their MSM partners have a media reach that is many multiples of 10 greater than any other form of communication, conservative, or mainstream.

They are using it on a continuous and coordinated basis in an effort to overthrow the Trump Administration.

People should resist this effort as it sets a terrible precedent.
 
Perhaps if the GOP base didn't vote in a known sexist, cowardly, snake-oil salesman with lawsuits pending against him for fraud the press around the POTUS wouldn't be so negative now would it?
 
ocean515 said:
Every metric I have seen shows the media has fixated on negative reporting on the Trump Administration at levels never seen before.

The left and their media partners will argue it is because the President himself is the cause.

As Comey's testimony proved, their efforts involve fabrication, deceit, and little more than propaganda.

The left and their MSM partners have a media reach that is many multiples of 10 greater than any other form of communication, conservative, or mainstream.

They are using it on a continuous and coordinated basis in an effort to overthrow the Trump Administration.

People should resist this effort as it sets a terrible precedent.
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The media is so negative that a thinking individual must arrive at one of two thought destinations:

The media knows something that they just are not telling us. This is irrational as they relish telling anything. At some point, you'd think they'd allow a fact, even one, to slip out.

OR

The media is a directed group of propagandists engaged in spreading "The Big Lie".

Unless and until they can actually bring forth a reputable source with a smoking gun, they are just rumor mongering.

Since they are all mongering the same rumor, it seems appropriate to ask why they are doing this.

The rumor is based on nothing, supported by nothing and harmonious to the rest.

If they were working in a real profession that followed stated ethics, they's have all been censured by their governing body long ago.
 
trouble13 said:
I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting.
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That's because most presidents actually try and score some positive achievements in the first few months of their presidencies. Generates good will and good press.

Trump tried a different approach: Twitter tirades, public feuds and tantrums, zero policy achievements. Doesn't seem to have worked.

In fairness, he did try it with the "mean" AHCA, holding a triumphant presser and party after House passage (which is pathetic in its own right--you celebrate after you sign it). But that didn't work either, since his signature legislation is sitting at 17% approval, 62% disapproval.
 
CMPancake said:
Perhaps if the GOP base didn't vote in a known sexist, cowardly, snake-oil salesman with lawsuits pending against him for fraud the press around the POTUS wouldn't be so negative now would it?
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I lost track...

Were you talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.
 
ocean515 said:
Every metric I have seen shows the media has fixated on negative reporting on the Trump Administration at levels never seen before.

The left and their media partners will argue it is because the President himself is the cause.

As Comey's testimony proved, their efforts involve fabrication, deceit, and little more than propaganda.

The left and their MSM partners have a media reach that is many multiples of 10 greater than any other form of communication, conservative, or mainstream.

They are using it on a continuous and coordinated basis in an effort to overthrow the Trump Administration.

People should resist this effort as it sets a terrible precedent.
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What inspired this thread was from people rationalizing, almost justify the recent attack on the gop congressmen. Its being said that the right brought this on themselves because of how they treated obama.

What that paper shows does not prove the right was nice to Obama but it does show that the oress gave the public every opprotunity to like him. That same curtosey has not been shown to Trump.

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CMPancake said:
Perhaps if the GOP base didn't vote in a known sexist, cowardly, snake-oil salesman with lawsuits pending against him for fraud the press around the POTUS wouldn't be so negative now would it?
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Perhaps if the press didn't exagerate its coverage of him so negativily their lemming subscribers would hold a different opinion of him


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Greenbeard said:
That's because most presidents actually try and score some positive achievements in the first few months of their presidencies. Generates good will and good press.

Trump tried a different approach: Twitter tirades, public feuds and tantrums, zero policy achievements. Doesn't seem to have worked.

In fairness, he did try it with the "mean" AHCA, holding a triumphant presser and party after House passage (which is pathetic in its own right--you celebrate after you sign it). But that didn't work either, since his signature legislation is sitting at 17% approval, 62% disapproval.
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I think you make a fair point to some extent. He himself has a confrontational personality.

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code1211 said:
I lost track...

Were you talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.
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I didn't realize Bill Clinton actively stole money from people with a fake university.

trouble13 said:
Perhaps if the press did exagerate its coverage of him so negativily their lemming subscribers would hold a different opinion of him


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Are you suggesting the press shouldn't have reported on Donald Trump's sexism, and multiple lawsuits being held against him for fraud?
 
CMPancake said:
I didn't realize Bill Clinton actively stole money from people with a fake university.



Are you suggesting the press shouldn't have reported on Donald Trump's sexism, and multiple lawsuits being held against him for fraud?
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Im suggesting the press should if covered him objectively

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Greenbeard said:
That's because most presidents actually try and score some positive achievements in the first few months of their presidencies. Generates good will and good press.

Trump tried a different approach: Twitter tirades, public feuds and tantrums, zero policy achievements. Doesn't seem to have worked.

In fairness, he did try it with the "mean" AHCA, holding a triumphant presser and party after House passage (which is pathetic in its own right--you celebrate after you sign it). But that didn't work either, since his signature legislation is sitting at 17% approval, 62% disapproval.
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Could be he's entering into the Obama Zone.

Everyone loved the Big 0 but his policies? Not so much.

Trump just hit 50% approval in the Rasmussen Poll.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
 
trouble13 said:
Im suggesting the press should if covered him objectively

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Objectively speaking, Donald Trump started up a fake college to steal money from thousands of people, of those people there were veterans who spent their GI bill at a fake college. How do you continue to support a man like this?
 
CMPancake said:
I didn't realize Bill Clinton actively stole money from people with a fake university.



Are you suggesting the press shouldn't have reported on Donald Trump's sexism, and multiple lawsuits being held against him for fraud?
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No. But it's nice of you to stand up a straw man.

Bill was a sexual predator and he and Hillary colluded to defraud donations for their Clinton Foundation which is said to have given about 15% of the "take" to charity.

Also, about 95% of the charitable contributions reducing the Clinton's personal tax liability went to the Clinton Foundation.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/1...ll-clinton-or-donald-trump-of-sexual-assault/

96 Percent Of Hillary's Charitable Donations Went To Clinton Foundation | The Daily Caller

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ities-that-are-not-controlled-by-the-Clintons
 
code1211 said:
The media is so negative that a thinking individual must arrive at one of two thought destinations:

The media knows something that they just are not telling us. This is irrational as they relish telling anything. At some point, you'd think they'd allow a fact, even one, to slip out.

OR

The media is a directed group of propagandists engaged in spreading "The Big Lie".

Unless and until they can actually bring forth a reputable source with a smoking gun, they are just rumor mongering.

Since they are all mongering the same rumor, it seems appropriate to ask why they are doing this.

The rumor is based on nothing, supported by nothing and harmonious to the rest.

If they were working in a real profession that followed stated ethics, they's have all been censured by their governing body long ago.
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People forget the some of the top names in the business either admitted to bias, or were caught colluding with the DNC and Hillary campaigns via the email leaks of Podesta's.

The issue of bias is only debated by those who benefit from it, and feel a need to defend it.
 
code1211 said:
No. But it's nice of you to stand up a straw man.
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Where's a straw man? I haven't misrepresented you, or Donald Trump.

code1211 said:
Bill was a sexual predator and he and Hillary colluded to defraud donations for their Clinton Foundation which is said to have given about 15% of the "take" to charity.

Also, about 95% of the charitable contributions reducing the Clinton's personal tax liability went to the Clinton Foundation.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/1...ll-clinton-or-donald-trump-of-sexual-assault/

96 Percent Of Hillary's Charitable Donations Went To Clinton Foundation | The Daily Caller

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ities-that-are-not-controlled-by-the-Clintons
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I agree, the Clinton's are absolutely repugnant people who should have no business in politics. Yet how come you find their actions so vile yet are seemingly turning a blind eye to Trump?
 
Typical modern day conservative, always blaming someone for their screwups. The Republican party is the party of self-responsibility my ass.

Anyway Trump called the media 'enemy of the people'. He declared war on them so he could throw some red meat to his RW rabid media hating base. So now he has to take the consequences.
 
trouble13 said:
What inspired this thread was from people rationalizing, almost justify the recent attack on the gop congressmen. Its being said that the right brought this on themselves because of how they treated obama.

What that paper shows does not prove the right was nice to Obama but it does show that the oress gave the public every opprotunity to like him. That same curtosey has not been shown to Trump.

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What's interesting to me, and points to the one sidedness relates to the coverage of EX President Obama, versus the early days of President Trump.

With Obama there was the birther thing, which had few legs, but if you review the coverage, it was actually used to put down those pushing the issue, rather than just report on it.

The big issue the left's media partners would not touch, was the EX Presidents background he chose to hide. The left's media partners hardly lifted a finger, despite some really controversial issues surrounding the EX President's past.

With President Trump, the opposite has been true by amounts that would stagger the casual observer.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Typical modern day conservative, always blaming someone for their screwups. The Republican party is the party of self-responsibility my ass.

Anyway Trump called the media 'enemy of the people'. He declared war on them so he could throw some red meat to his RW rabid media hating base. So now he has to take the consequences.
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They were already railroading him on coverage before that. What's he supposed to do?

Rabid? No. Resigned to their bias? Yes.
 
CMPancake said:
Objectively speaking, Donald Trump started up a fake college to steal money from thousands of people, of those people there were veterans who spent their GI bill at a fake college. How do you continue to support a man like this?
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Stock markets created between 3 and 4 Trillion dollars of value for the American People since the election.

Unemployment rate to 4.3%.

People who want a job is down to a 12 month low.

The Fed, sensing that the economy is taking off has increased the base interest rate for the second time in 6 months. They raised it twice during the entire 8 years of the Obama tenure.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/16/fed-raises-rates-for-first-time-since-2006.html
 
CMPancake said:
Objectively speaking, Donald Trump started up a fake college to steal money from thousands of people, of those people there were veterans who spent their GI bill at a fake college. How do you continue to support a man like this?
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Now your deflecting, well in fairness you've been deflecting from the start. I should of said your deflecting again. Just in case you think it wasnt noticed.

To answer your quesion....
Trumps involvment in trump university was dispicable and i dont defend his role in it.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Typical modern day conservative, always blaming someone for their screwups. The Republican party is the party of self-responsibility my ass.

Anyway Trump called the media 'enemy of the people'. He declared war on them so he could throw some red meat to his RW rabid media hating base. So now he has to take the consequences.
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The press must also live with being called out for who they are, bias ideolouges who abandon objectivity in favor of propaganda

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OpportunityCost said:
They were already railroading him on coverage before that. What's he supposed to do?
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You mean the free publicity he got during the campaign and even Trump admitted he liked. That he even stroked.

The media is made up of people, Trump calls them 'enemies', basically traitors. He's got to expect those 'people' are going to be pissed off and fire back at him.

People who voted for Trump say they love him being a straight talker, how he takes no crap from anyone. But when that is turned on him you guys cry foul. Trump is very thin skinned, and it appears so are his supporters.
 
ocean515 said:
What's interesting to me, and points to the one sidedness relates to the coverage of EX President Obama, versus the early days of President Trump.

With Obama there was the birther thing, which had few legs, but if you review the coverage, it was actually used to put down those pushing the issue, rather than just report on it.

The big issue the left's media partners would not touch, was the EX Presidents background he chose to hide. The left's media partners hardly lifted a finger, despite some really controversial issues surrounding the EX President's past.

With President Trump, the opposite has been true by amounts that would stagger the casual observer.
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What amazes me that the more it's exposed, the more they double down on it. Its a huge gamble. They are hoping they can uncover something to save face. Something terrible that they can justify to the public why thry had to go all in against TRUMP. If they fail, they will of damaged their reputation to the point of bankrupting their organizations

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CMPancake said:
Where's a straw man? I haven't misrepresented you, or Donald Trump.



I agree, the Clinton's are absolutely repugnant people who should have no business in politics. Yet how come you find their actions so vile yet are seemingly turning a blind eye to Trump?
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Everything I encounter has good and bad points.

Bill Clinton is a sexual predator using his power and prestige to prey on the women he impressed. In any other setting he would have been punished under statute of the legal system. Hillary joined him in the personal assassinations of those that were first wounded by the curse of knowing them.

Together, everything they touch is tinged with corruption and question and their power is resultant from the public trust. Their wealth is resultant from the perversion of the public trust.

Trump has done things that are not particularly lily white in nature, but they were done in the private sector.

Aside from that, he has employed thousands and signed the paycheck on the front.

The Clintons seem to pay full time salaries to people like Huma Abadin who already have full time jobs paid for from the public treasury. What's wrong with this picture?

On balance, Trump seems to be like a big dog in a room filled with fragile tables holding crystal nick knacks. He's just doing what he does, but he seems to be knocking over a bunch or dainty tables.

The Clintons seem like a pair of swindlers who are always right on the edge of illegality. They sometimes hurt and hurt badly those that reveal their selfish narcissism.

What would we be saying about Monica today if she had sent that blue dress to the cleaners?
 
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