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Trump Vs Obama 1st 100 days coverage

iguanaman said:
And I'de be happier if our leader was not a serial liar and a crook. Then the media would not need to trust leakers for the truth. Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth but it would be better if it came from the Govt. We would not look like such idiots to rest of the world. You do know that what you call "leftist agenda" is just reporting the news.
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Is "nearly turned out to be" the same as being almost pregnant?

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iguanaman said:
LOL What a weak thinker the author of that piece was. If Putin wanted to maximize the effects of his meddling what better way than to have insiders coaching his people on how to use the clandestine methods and armies of trolls to have the maximum effect AND if successful those insiders will be beholding to him and he will have leverage in the highest levels of our Govt. Why wouldn't Putin use Trump if he could is a better question.
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Since we are asking questions, answer this one...

Why would trump collude with anyone to defeat thr weakest opponent in dnc history over thr last 50yrs or more?

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iguanaman said:
There is plenty of evidence that Trump's cohorts were monitored talking with Russian agents during the campaign. Even the British secret service picked that up. The only unanswered question is what they were talking about. Any ideas?
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Produce your evidence. Thrn explaing why bill aires and.jermiah wrights relationship with obama was not important

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eohrnberger said:
Boy. You must have been so I unhappy when Obama was in office. Oh. Wait. The issued talking points didn't tell you to be unhappy. Oh, never mind.

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Hey cut them some slack. They care now

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trouble13 said:
Since we are asking questions, answer this one...

Why would trump collude with anyone to defeat thr weakest opponent in dnc history over thr last 50yrs or more?

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Because he was befriended by Russians who gave him loans for his new golf courses when no other banks would touch him and it all evolved from there. Trump's allegiance is to those that help him and tell him he is the greatest he does not care why or who.
 
trouble13 said:
Produce your evidence. Thrn explaing why bill aires and.jermiah wrights relationship with obama was not important

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The #1 reason would be that they are not a country that is our sworn enemy with 1000's of ICBM's pointed our way. The Russian are the #1 threat to our democracy and those of our allies. The fact that you don't know this just shows how dangerous Putin is.
 
jet57 said:
Your metrics mean nothing up against the facts about Trump since the beginning. For instance, its a proven fact that the man cannot be trusted with anything he says. His nepotism is outrageous and the tweets he puts out make him look like the megalomaniac that he truly is: nobody in the press tweeted for him... The press hasn't made any of that up, they are just reporting on his day to day activities. The man is shooting holes in his own boat and our 4th estate has a fiduciary responsibility to report on it. That's what they're there for.
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As the manipulation and hyperbole feeds your bias, it is understandable you would defend it. What would you do if the effort were flipped 180 degrees? Fox is the scourge of the left, they are obsessed with it and attack it at every turn. Yet it's audience is a fraction of the left's media partners. Imagine what you would be thinking if Fox and other such outlets had 20 or 30 times the reach.

The 4th Estate has a duty to provide the facts to it's readers/viewers. As Comey proved, and as the Podesta emails proved, the 4th Estate has abdicated that role, and has become the propaganda arm of the left, to which they have admitted affiliation.

Those are the documented facts, and everyone should take the necessary steps to reject and confront that.
 
trouble13 said:
There has been allot of talk about the liberal hate machine causing violence. One of the rationalizations from the left has been that it was the same for them for the past 8yrs under Obama.

I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting. However our memories sometimes play tricks on us so I decided to research it a bit and this is the results.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085

TRUMP 80% NEG 20% POS
OBAMA 41% NEG 59% POS
GW BUSH 57% NEG 43% POS
CLINTON 60% NEG 40% POS

Those numbers Trump recieved twice as much negative coverage as Obama and Obama recieved 3 times as much positive coverage than Trump recieves.

That seems to indicate that the toxic enviroment is not the same. It has gotten much worse under Trump by far.

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The media fawned over Obama, not deniable!
 
CMPancake said:
Perhaps if the GOP base didn't vote in a known sexist, cowardly, snake-oil salesman with lawsuits pending against him for fraud the press around the POTUS wouldn't be so negative now would it?
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Worse could be said about Hillary.
 
CMPancake said:
I didn't realize Bill Clinton actively stole money from people with a fake university.



Are you suggesting the press shouldn't have reported on Donald Trump's sexism, and multiple lawsuits being held against him for fraud?
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You mean the Clinton Institute money laundering operation?
 
code1211 said:
Stock markets created between 3 and 4 Trillion dollars of value for the American People since the election.

Unemployment rate to 4.3%.

People who want a job is down to a 12 month low.

The Fed, sensing that the economy is taking off has increased the base interest rate for the second time in 6 months. They raised it twice during the entire 8 years of the Obama tenure.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/16/fed-raises-rates-for-first-time-since-2006.html
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I'm not sure I buy the 4.3% number. I think the BLM has been fudging the numbers or the metric is flawed. I think it's higher. Look at the black population alone.
 
trouble13 said:
You raise an interesting paradox

How do you enforce balance and protect independent thoughts at the same time

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1st amendment rights are sacrosanct, and should never fall to government intervention, and, if absolutely needs to be, with the lightest of possible touch from the government (thinking of yelling fire in a crowded theater).

So in short, the government cannot, and should not, be in charge of enforcing, nor determining, what it balanced.
 
ocean515 said:
As the manipulation and hyperbole feeds your bias, it is understandable you would defend it. What would you do if the effort were flipped 180 degrees? Fox is the scourge of the left, they are obsessed with it and attack it at every turn. Yet it's audience is a fraction of the left's media partners. Imagine what you would be thinking if Fox and other such outlets had 20 or 30 times the reach.

The 4th Estate has a duty to provide the facts to it's readers/viewers. As Comey proved, and as the Podesta emails proved, the 4th Estate has abdicated that role, and has become the propaganda arm of the left, to which they have admitted affiliation.

Those are the documented facts, and everyone should take the necessary steps to reject and confront that.
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What bias? Did I tweet those idiotic things that Trump said? did I hire my own family members as part of the presidential cabinet? Did I insult half of the world's leaders? Am I outspending Obama on travel expenses just in 100 days? Did I back away from the Wall? etc etc etc.

Fox news is getting its comeuppance and none too soon dude.

The 4th estate has a duty to accurately report the news on Trump and his cabal and that;s exactly what they're doing.
 
jet57 said:
What bias? Did I tweet those idiotic things that Trump said? did I hire my own family members as part of the presidential cabinet? Did I insult half of the world's leaders? Am I outspending Obama on travel expenses just in 100 days? Did I back away from the Wall? etc etc etc.

Fox news is getting its comeuppance and none too soon dude.

The 4th estate has a duty to accurately report the news on Trump and his cabal and that;s exactly what they're doing.
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"has a duty to accurately report the news on Trump and his" cabinet / administration.
Absolutely true.

"that;s exactly what they're doing."
Absolutely false.
How many of the 'news' media's claims have been proven false? Without basis in fact?
I think we are in the 100's by now.

The 'news' media needs to improve in their performance on accuracy, to put it kindly.
 
jet57 said:
What bias? Did I tweet those idiotic things that Trump said? did I hire my own family members as part of the presidential cabinet? Did I insult half of the world's leaders? Am I outspending Obama on travel expenses just in 100 days? Did I back away from the Wall? etc etc etc.

Fox news is getting its comeuppance and none too soon dude.

The 4th estate has a duty to accurately report the news on Trump and his cabal and that;s exactly what they're doing.
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Fox and Dudge etc. made up news about Obama almost daily. They needed no facts, or evidence, hell even Trump jumped on that bandwagon with his Birther BS and lies. The Cons and Republicans looked the other way, in many cases they cheered.

Now with Trump those same Cons and Republicans are crying foul about the media, even when the news they are reporting about Trump is true.

Too bad.
 
eohrnberger said:
"has a duty to accurately report the news on Trump and his" cabinet / administration.
Absolutely true.

"that;s exactly what they're doing."
Absolutely false.
How many of the 'news' media's claims have been proven false? Without basis in fact?
I think we are in the 100's by now.

The 'news' media needs to improve in their performance on accuracy, to put it kindly.
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It's been and is being accurately reported: Trump is an asshole full stop. The man has no respect for the office of the presidency. The man has no respect for people and his mind the one thing that each person has to get is that it's a Trump world and you're in it.

So how many of the news media's claims about Trump's behavior and his lying have been absolutely false?

Name them.

Trump set fire to himself.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Fox and Dudge etc. made up news about Obama almost daily. They needed no facts, or evidence, hell even Trump jumped on that bandwagon with his Birther BS and lies. The Cons and Republicans looked the other way, in many cases they cheered.

Now with Trump those same Cons and Republicans are crying foul about the media, even when the news they are reporting about Trump is true.

Too bad.
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Yep, that's what propaganda does: they throw out so much **** so fast that you have trouble trying to keep up with what might be real and what surely is not. THAT is Trump's MO with this tweeting BS. He cannot be trusted to say anything truthful so the smart world has simply pegged him as a lying fool. HIS supporter think he's doing a great bang-up job, and that's only because they're so silly anyway they can't separate reality from God's plan for you. They want 'Merica to be tough, but they have no idea what that really means.
 
jet57 said:
It's been and is being accurately reported: Trump is an asshole full stop. The man has no respect for the office of the presidency. The man has no respect for people and his mind the one thing that each person has to get is that it's a Trump world and you're in it.
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I'd point out that these are subjective opinions, and not facts. As such, you are more than entitled to them, but that doesn't change what they are.

So how many of the news media's claims about Trump's behavior and his lying have been absolutely false?

Name them.
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As posted earlier: https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...s-coverage-post1067324937.html#post1067324937 (you'll need this post to follow the links).

LIST: 24 Pieces of MSM Fake News in 5 Days
John Nolte, January 31, 2017

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.
Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.
P.S. Here is last week's list.

1. Entire Media Lies About Trump's Refugee Pause Being a "Muslim Ban"
2. CNN Lies About Tying Fox News In the Ratings On Inauguration Day
3. Time Magazine Blames Misreporting On Trump
4. Washington Post "Fact Checker" Attempts to Gin Up Dissent Against Trump
5. EXTRAORDINARY Lies of Omission About Foreign-Born Threats to America
6. AP Reports that Trump's Vote Fraud Expert is Registered in Three States
7. The Viral Lie that Dick Cheney Blasted Trump Over His Refugee Pause
8. Media Lies About Trump's Refugee Pause Based On His Business Interests
9. ABC News Accuses Trump of Not Having Family Photos in the Oval Office
10. The Islamophobic Media Lie That Refugee Pauses Create Terrorists
11. The Lie That Mike Flynn's Son Called the Refugee Pause a 'Muslim Ban'
12. Media Spreads Lies of "Mass Resignations" at State Department
13. New York Times' Maggie Haberman Claims Only San Bernardino Shootings Involved 'Non-US-Born Attacker'
14. Media Falsely Claims Obama Did Not Discriminate Against Christian Refugees
15. CNN's Jim Sciutto Spreads Lie That "Refugee Policy Is Not Based On Religion"
16. Media Lies About Trump Installing a Gag Order Against the EPA
17. Media Covered Up and Lied About Obama's 2011 Refugee Ban
18. Washington Post Publishes Partisan Editorial as Straight News Story
19. NBC's Chuck Todd Falsely Claims Fear of Sexism Contributed to Major Hillary Cover-up
20. Philadelphia Inquirer Contradicts Its Own Reporting to Gotcha Trump
21. Even MORE Corrections from the Atlantic on Their Fake News Reporting About the Unborn
22. Media Spreads Lie That Trump's Chief Advisor Told the Media to "Shut Up"
22. ABC News Memory-Holes Key Part of Trump Interview
23. WINTER IS COMING: ABC News Busted Promoting Fake Image of Trump
24. Media Falsely Claim There Is Zero Evidence of Widespread Vote Fraud
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Trump set fire to himself.
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Yes, Trump does shoot himself in the foot quite often, as well as cut the legs out from under his own administration. They say that he's smart and learns very quickly. I wonder if he's going to alter this aspect of him or not. I guess we'll see.

And even so. He's not as bad as a President Hillary would have been, in my opinion.
 
trouble13 said:
I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting.
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I personally don't remember any POTUS in my lifetime as terrible and Godawful as Donald Trump. He makes Carter look like SuperPOTUS.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I personally don't remember any POTUS in my lifetime as terrible and Godawful as Donald Trump. He makes Carter look like SuperPOTUS.
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So you think the amount and level of negativity is appropiately proportionate to Trumps actions?

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eohrnberger said:
I'd point out that these are subjective opinions, and not facts. As such, you are more than entitled to them, but that doesn't change what they are.



As posted earlier: https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...s-coverage-post1067324937.html#post1067324937 (you'll need this post to follow the links).





Yes, Trump does shoot himself in the foot quite often, as well as cut the legs out from under his own administration. They say that he's smart and learns very quickly. I wonder if he's going to alter this aspect of him or not. I guess we'll see.

And even so. He's not as bad as a President Hillary would have been, in my opinion.
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I would be interested in seeing if anyone could compile a list of articles like those but about Obama.

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eohrnberger said:
"Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth"
Oh? There's Trump Russian collusion? No evidence yet.
Oh? Rob Rosenstein was going to quit over the memo he penned? Nope, the never did, yet the media claimed it.

You are all upset about being lied to. I think you need to more closely re-examine who's lying to you.



But do as you will.
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Well, right off the top, Rudy Giuliani told Fox News it as a Muslim ban, so that's what the press reported and when an order bans Muslim immigration from Muslim countries - it's a Muslim ban.

Now your entire list is suspect.

And I certainly did think up all that stuff that Trump is charged with as examples of being a bad human being; Trump did.
 
trouble13 said:
So you think the amount and level of negativity is appropiately proportionate to Trumps actions?
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No. Trump deserves far more negativity for totally ignoring the Russia attacks on our election process.

Rather than warn them to never ever do this again, Trump invited them into the Oval Office for ketchup burgers and laughs.

Nothing burns me more than giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

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trouble13 said:
There has been allot of talk about the liberal hate machine causing violence. One of the rationalizations from the left has been that it was the same for them for the past 8yrs under Obama.

I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting. However our memories sometimes play tricks on us so I decided to research it a bit and this is the results.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085

TRUMP 80% NEG 20% POS
OBAMA 41% NEG 59% POS
GW BUSH 57% NEG 43% POS
CLINTON 60% NEG 40% POS

Those numbers Trump recieved twice as much negative coverage as Obama and Obama recieved 3 times as much positive coverage than Trump recieves.

That seems to indicate that the toxic enviroment is not the same. It has gotten much worse under Trump by far.

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Your fundamental premise is flawed. You are assuming that Obama and Trump are equally presidential and equally qualified for the job. They were not.

Never in US history have we elected someone that failed to receive the endorsement of ANY major newspaper. The significance of that is that every newspaper in the US (whether they we liberal or conservative leanings) effectively denounced Trump as unqualified for office.... so, when his actions were consistent with the un-qualifications cited (be it his temperament or his experience), it is human tendency to insert an "I told you so".

Then, to compound problems, Trump chose (let me emphasize - chose) to go to war with the press; continually challenging their professional integrity. It is human tendency to fight back.

Trump's problems with the press are entirely his own. The ability to manage the message (and the press) is an important attribute of a President. Trump fails miserably at this.

This continual whining the Trump is not getting a fair shake is wrong, tiresome and weak.
 
jet57 said:
Well, right off the top, Rudy Giuliani told Fox News it as a Muslim ban, so that's what the press reported and when an order bans Muslim immigration from Muslim countries - it's a Muslim ban.
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The temporary travel restriction affects a single digit percentage of the world's Muslim population, and yet, you claim it's a Muslim ban. Think about that for a moment.

Now your entire list is suspect.
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As would your claim of all the claims about Trump being true.

And I certainly did think up all that stuff that Trump is charged with as examples of being a bad human being; Trump did.
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