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Trump Vs Obama 1st 100 days coverage

trouble13 said:
There has been allot of talk about the liberal hate machine causing violence. One of the rationalizations from the left has been that it was the same for them for the past 8yrs under Obama.

I personally dont remember any potus in my life time receiving as much negative attention as Trump seems to be getting. However our memories sometimes play tricks on us so I decided to research it a bit and this is the results.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085

TRUMP 80% NEG 20% POS
OBAMA 41% NEG 59% POS
GW BUSH 57% NEG 43% POS
CLINTON 60% NEG 40% POS

Those numbers Trump recieved twice as much negative coverage as Obama and Obama recieved 3 times as much positive coverage than Trump recieves.

That seems to indicate that the toxic enviroment is not the same. It has gotten much worse under Trump by far.

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Overall you can see a trend here.

Since Clinton, Democrats receive more positive coverage than negative, and Republicans receive more negative coverage than positive. Clearly, the media biased has swung to support Democrats, as if there was any doubt, given their behavior over the last 1 year or so.

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Further, we can see exactly how disproportionate the coverage of Trump is in comparison.

Harvard Study Reveals Huge Extent of Anti-Trump Media Bias
By Heat Street Staff May 19, 2017
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/harvard-study-reveals-huge-extent-of-anti-trump-media-bias/

A major new study out of Harvard University has revealed the true extent of the mainstream media’s bias against Donald Trump.
Academics at the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy analyzed coverage from Trump’s first 100 days in office across 10 major TV and print outlets.
They found that the tone of some outlets was negative in as many as 98% of reports, significantly more hostile than the first 100 days of the three previous administrations:

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This coupled with the OP's statistics clearly shows the media to be biased to the left in their allegedly factual, allegedly news coverage.
Naaa. It's not news. Its rank partisan political propaganda, to the level of Pravda.
 
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code1211 said:
All anyone need do is look at the reporting.

I love particular phrases that open the door to "News" stories.

First, a rumor is described. Then the threat that the reporter is trying to relay is stated. Then they say something along the lines of: "This raises question that..."

When or you hear that phrase, get ready for a trip out of reality and into fantasy. After that phrase, the "reporter" is allowed to say and crap they care to make up. they are literally reporting the rumors that they and their buddies have dreamt up.

Another is the if-then sequence. When any reporter says "If" and follows it with "then" after the fictional "If" has been stated, then we are, again, in a space where the "Reporter" can make up any crap they want and they are free from liability.

Another is the group discussion that is rampant on the cable news networks also based on the if-then scenario. The premise is set by the ring leader and the rest are then free to paint the walls with crap.

If any of this is feeling familiar, it's because this is the nature of the journalism malpractice of the period of time following the last US Presidential election.

The trouble is that, as the American Public, we are standing against the wall when our "journalists" paint the walls with crap.

Ethical journalism answers the questions who, what where, when and why.

An unnamed source in not a who.

A crime that is not committed is not a what.

A crime that is never committed has no where.

A crime that is never committed has no when.

A crime that is never committed can have a why and THAT is all they are publishing. Unceasingly.

That is the evidence of a lack of ethics. they are crafting lies to sound like truth. Our media have no ethics.
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Well I asked for the evidence and you gave none. Furthermore most all of the "leaks" have turned out to be true. Trump did not get Flynn out until the leaks about his Russian involvement were published. I suppose you would have liked Flynn to remain at the NSA?
 
eohrnberger said:
Overall you can see a trend here.

Since Clinton, Democrats receive more positive coverage than negative, and Republicans receive more negative coverage than positive. Clearly, the media biased has swung to support Democrats, as if there was any doubt, given their behavior over the last 1 year or so.

EDIT:

Further, we can see exactly how disproportionate the coverage of Trump is in comparison.



This coupled with the OP's statistics clearly shows the media to be biased to the left in their allegedly factual, allegedly news coverage.
Naaa. It's not news. Its rank partisan political propaganda, to the level of Pravda.
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Speaking of Pravda, the Russian coverage of this has been much more positive towards Trump. They are even calling it a witch hunt just like you and Trump . It appears you would be happier with a State controlled press that only publishes what the leader want them to. You can always just move to Russia if it bothers you so much.

“If Joe McCarthy were alive today, he would easily recognize the witch-hunt hysteria consuming Washington,” said Peter Lavelle, host of "CrossTalk," which calls itself RT's flagship show. “Blaming Russia is targeting Donald Trump. The outcome of this is dangerously unclear,” Lavelle added.

The show’s discussion treated as credible Trump’s unfounded accusation that Obama ordered a wiretap on him.

Obama’s influence has been a recurring theme. A recent segment on the Sunday news show "Voskresnoe Vremya" (“Times on Sunday”) was “punctuated with ominous music, [and] Obama was portrayed as a villain who might have said goodbye but, in fact, has never left Washington D.C. for his native Chicago,” according to a description in the Moscow Times.
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Russia: Kremlin-backed media turns on Trump - POLITICO
 
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iguanaman said:
Well I asked for the evidence and you gave none. Furthermore most all of the "leaks" have turned out to be true. Trump did not get Flynn out until the leaks about his Russian involvement were published. I suppose you would have liked Flynn to remain at the NSA?
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Flynn was dismissed.

Do you want proof of a lack of ethics?

Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUD003UyCQ

Go to the 6:20 point in this tape. It's ridiculous. Sununu asks if there is any proof and the reporter says she has none.

No Crime. No evidence. No story. That does not stop her, though.

Where are the ethics in this?

What we know about leaks is that there are people breaking their sworn oaths for whatever reason they may have.

Do you have a list of leaks and a compilation of how many of the total are "true"?
 
trouble13 said:
Were you deeply concerned when obama touched those things or were you cheering him acelerating its bankruptcy?

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Medicare isn't bankrupt. Right wing radio claims yet another victim.
 
code1211 said:
Flynn was dismissed.

Do you want proof of a lack of ethics?

Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUD003UyCQ

Go to the 6:20 point in this tape. It's ridiculous. Sununu asks if there is any proof and the reporter says she has none.

No Crime. No evidence. No story. That does not stop her, though.

Where are the ethics in this?

What we know about leaks is that there are people breaking their sworn oaths for whatever reason they may have.

Do you have a list of leaks and a compilation of how many of the total are "true"?
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My point was it was the media that got Flynn removed. Trump was informed of Flynn's dangerous indiscretions 18 days before he was fired and was furious about the leak that forced him to do it. He made the false charge about Obama wiretapping him right after that. The media is doing their job and thank goodness for them. We are not Russia and our reporters are charged with keeping us that way. Scream all you want but you would not be free without them. As far as the no evidence meme, all that shows is a lack of understanding of our justice system. Evidence will not be released until indictments are made and then it will be to the jury.
 
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iguanaman said:
My point was it was the media that got Flynn removed. Trump was informed of Flynn's indescretions 18 days before he was fired and was furious about the leak that forced him to do it. The media is doing their job and thank goodness for them. We are not Russia and our reporters are charged with keeping us that way.
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Damn shame the entire thing is in the hands of half a dozen multinational corporations thanks to Clinton's deregulation of the FCC. You may like the way it went this time? But your media machine is nothing but corporate state PR. That watchdog bit left the building long ago.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Damn shame the entire thing is in the hands of half a dozen multinational corporations thanks to Clinton's deregulation of the FCC. You may like the way it went this time? But your media machine is nothing but corporate state PR. That watchdog bit left the building long ago.
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Yes I know capitalism is a bitch but all the replacements are even worse so we need to live with it. It can work with the proper regulations.
 
iguanaman said:
Speaking of Pravda, the Russian coverage of this has been much more positive towards Trump. They are even calling it a witch hunt just like you and Trump . It appears you would be happier with a State controlled press that only publishes what the leader want them to. You can always just move to Russia if it bothers you so much.



Russia: Kremlin-backed media turns on Trump - POLITICO
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No. I wouldn't. I'd be much happier if the free press trafficked in facts, rather than constantly pushing their leftist agenda and ideology to the point is tabloid political propaganda.

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eohrnberger said:
No. I wouldn't. I'd be much happier if the free press trafficked in facts, rather than constantly pushing their leftist agenda and ideology to the point is tabloid political propaganda.

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And I'de be happier if our leader was not a serial liar and a crook. Then the media would not need to trust leakers for the truth. Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth but it would be better if it came from the Govt. We would not look like such idiots to rest of the world. You do know that what you call "leftist agenda" is just reporting the news.
 
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iguanaman said:
My point was it was the media that got Flynn removed. Trump was informed of Flynn's dangerous indiscretions 18 days before he was fired and was furious about the leak that forced him to do it. He made the false charge about Obama wiretapping him right after that. The media is doing their job and thank goodness for them. We are not Russia and our reporters are charged with keeping us that way. Scream all you want but you would not be free without them. As far as the no evidence meme, all that shows is a lack of understanding of our justice system. Evidence will not be released until indictments are made and then it will be to the jury.
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And yet the evidence of the Hillary email scandal-that-never-happened was everywhere, but the "watchdog" press seemed committed to burying it.

I don't remember the outrage on the network news that an indictment was not being pursued. maybe I just missed it...

When every story is preceded by an IF, then the story is not a news story.

Politico asks a great question:

A Scandal About Smoke - POLITICO Magazine
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Yet, the most plausible of these suspicions, the Russian collusion, has never made much sense on the face of it.

The Russians hacked Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign emails and walked across the street to hand them over to WikiLeaks for dissemination.

Why would any coordination with the Trump campaign be necessary?
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Why, indeed!

As I say repeatedly on this board, regarding anything that sounds incredible, always ask this question: If this is true, what else must be true?

Our press asks this question instead: If this isn't true, what can we do to imply that it's true.

Our press that you seem to like is biased beyond any rational measure and proud to be so.
 
code1211 said:
And yet the evidence of the Hillary email scandal-that-never-happened was everywhere, but the "watchdog" press seemed committed to burying it.

I don't remember the outrage on the network news that an indictment was not being pursued. maybe I just missed it...

When every story is preceded by an IF, then the story is not a news story.

Politico asks a great question:

A Scandal About Smoke - POLITICO Magazine
<snip>
Yet, the most plausible of these suspicions, the Russian collusion, has never made much sense on the face of it.

The Russians hacked Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign emails and walked across the street to hand them over to WikiLeaks for dissemination.

Why would any coordination with the Trump campaign be necessary?
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Why, indeed!

As I say repeatedly on this board, regarding anything that sounds incredible, always ask this question: If this is true, what else must be true?

Our press asks this question instead: If this isn't true, what can we do to imply that it's true.

Our press that you seem to like is biased beyond any rational measure and proud to be so.
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LOL What a weak thinker the author of that piece was. If Putin wanted to maximize the effects of his meddling what better way than to have insiders coaching his people on how to use the clandestine methods and armies of trolls to have the maximum effect AND if successful those insiders will be beholding to him and he will have leverage in the highest levels of our Govt. Why wouldn't Putin use Trump if he could is a better question.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL What a weak thinker the author of that piece was. If Putin wanted to maximize the effects of his meddling what better way than to have insiders coaching his people on how to use the clandestine methods and armies of trolls to have the maximum effect AND if successful those insiders will be beholding to him and he will have leverage in the highest levels of our Govt. Why wouldn't Putin use Trump if he could is a better question.
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Why does every one of these conspiracy theories ALWAYS start with IF?

The answer, for those of you not really tuned in to what's happening is that there is no evidence!
 
code1211 said:
Why does every one of these conspiracy theories ALWAYS start with IF?

The answer, for those of you not really tuned in to what's happening is that there is no evidence!
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There is plenty of evidence that Trump's cohorts were monitored talking with Russian agents during the campaign. Even the British secret service picked that up. The only unanswered question is what they were talking about. Any ideas?
 
iguanaman said:
And I'de be happier if our leader was not a serial liar and a crook. Then the media would not need to trust leakers for the truth. Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth but it would be better if it came from the Govt. We would not look like such idiots to rest of the world. You do know that what you call "leftist agenda" is just reporting the news.
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Boy. You must have been so I unhappy when Obama was in office. Oh. Wait. The issued talking points didn't tell you to be unhappy. Oh, never mind.

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iguanaman said:
Speaking of Pravda, the Russian coverage of this has been much more positive towards Trump. They are even calling it a witch hunt just like you and Trump . It appears you would be happier with a State controlled press that only publishes what the leader want them to. You can always just move to Russia if it bothers you so much.



Russia: Kremlin-backed media turns on Trump - POLITICO
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Meaning exactly nothing except as an indication of how off in left field the present state of US media is. As is demonstrated in the post and video below.

code1211 said:
Flynn was dismissed.

Do you want proof of a lack of ethics?

Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUD003UyCQ

Go to the 6:20 point in this tape. It's ridiculous. Sununu asks if there is any proof and the reporter says she has none.

No Crime. No evidence. No story. That does not stop her, though.

Where are the ethics in this?

What we know about leaks is that there are people breaking their sworn oaths for whatever reason they may have.

Do you have a list of leaks and a compilation of how many of the total are "true"?
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iguanaman said:
And I'de be happier if our leader was not a serial liar and a crook. Then the media would not need to trust leakers for the truth. Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth but it would be better if it came from the Govt. We would not look like such idiots to rest of the world. You do know that what you call "leftist agenda" is just reporting the news.
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"Those leaks have nearly all turned out to be truth"
Oh? There's Trump Russian collusion? No evidence yet.
Oh? Rob Rosenstein was going to quit over the memo he penned? Nope, the never did, yet the media claimed it.

You are all upset about being lied to. I think you need to more closely re-examine who's lying to you.

LIST: 24 Pieces of MSM Fake News in 5 Days
John Nolte, January 31, 2017

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.
Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.
P.S. Here is last week's list.

1. Entire Media Lies About Trump's Refugee Pause Being a "Muslim Ban"
2. CNN Lies About Tying Fox News In the Ratings On Inauguration Day
3. Time Magazine Blames Misreporting On Trump
4. Washington Post "Fact Checker" Attempts to Gin Up Dissent Against Trump
5. EXTRAORDINARY Lies of Omission About Foreign-Born Threats to America
6. AP Reports that Trump's Vote Fraud Expert is Registered in Three States
7. The Viral Lie that Dick Cheney Blasted Trump Over His Refugee Pause
8. Media Lies About Trump's Refugee Pause Based On His Business Interests
9. ABC News Accuses Trump of Not Having Family Photos in the Oval Office
10. The Islamophobic Media Lie That Refugee Pauses Create Terrorists
11. The Lie That Mike Flynn's Son Called the Refugee Pause a 'Muslim Ban'
12. Media Spreads Lies of "Mass Resignations" at State Department
13. New York Times' Maggie Haberman Claims Only San Bernardino Shootings Involved 'Non-US-Born Attacker'
14. Media Falsely Claims Obama Did Not Discriminate Against Christian Refugees
15. CNN's Jim Sciutto Spreads Lie That "Refugee Policy Is Not Based On Religion"
16. Media Lies About Trump Installing a Gag Order Against the EPA
17. Media Covered Up and Lied About Obama's 2011 Refugee Ban
18. Washington Post Publishes Partisan Editorial as Straight News Story
19. NBC's Chuck Todd Falsely Claims Fear of Sexism Contributed to Major Hillary Cover-up
20. Philadelphia Inquirer Contradicts Its Own Reporting to Gotcha Trump
21. Even MORE Corrections from the Atlantic on Their Fake News Reporting About the Unborn
22. Media Spreads Lie That Trump's Chief Advisor Told the Media to "Shut Up"
22. ABC News Memory-Holes Key Part of Trump Interview
23. WINTER IS COMING: ABC News Busted Promoting Fake Image of Trump
24. Media Falsely Claim There Is Zero Evidence of Widespread Vote Fraud
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But do as you will.
 
iguanaman said:
My point was it was the media that got Flynn removed. Trump was informed of Flynn's dangerous indiscretions 18 days before he was fired and was furious about the leak that forced him to do it. He made the false charge about Obama wiretapping him right after that. The media is doing their job and thank goodness for them. We are not Russia and our reporters are charged with keeping us that way. Scream all you want but you would not be free without them. As far as the no evidence meme, all that shows is a lack of understanding of our justice system. Evidence will not be released until indictments are made and then it will be to the jury.
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Without an investigation how can you determine trumps claim about obama is false?

Shouldnt we have an INDEPENDENT councilnassigned to investigate that too?

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iguanaman said:
Yes I know capitalism is a bitch but all the replacements are even worse so we need to live with it. It can work with the proper regulations.
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Such as?

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eohrnberger said:
No. I wouldn't. I'd be much happier if the free press trafficked in facts, rather than constantly pushing their leftist agenda and ideology to the point is tabloid political propaganda.

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You raise an interesting paradox

How do you enforce balance and protect independent thoughts at the same time

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