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What Real News?

Trump said that yesterday real news was covering his event in Wisconsin. What real news was he talking about?

Easy. Don needs everything to be his way, like a toddler. "Real news" says what he wants to hear. Same with many americans nowadays.
 
Oh geeze.

I'm not your teacher.

Besides, I'd rather just see the continual confirmation of the alternative history many try to create.
So ya can't. Start with Clinton's deregulation of the FCC.
 
Besides, I'd rather just see the continual confirmation of the alternative history many try to create.

Trump does this many, many, many more times in the past five months than the MSM has.
 
So ya can't. Start with Clinton's deregulation of the FCC.

So your trolling me?

I didn't write that I couldn't teach. I wrote that I'm not going to teach.

You're going to need to up your game. The blog banter here is generally on a higher plane than you appear to be accustomed to.
 
So your trolling me?

I didn't write that I couldn't teach. I wrote that I'm not going to teach.

You're going to need to up your game. The blog banter here is generally on a higher plane than you appear to be accustomed to.

Challenge = trolling now, what a snowflake.
 
Oh geeze.

I'm not your teacher.

Besides, I'd rather just see the continual confirmation of the alternative history many try to create.

According to you, there was no bias in the days of. Jefferson (false). I suppose you also don't think that the media savaged Andrew Jackson.

I suppose up until 1960, journalism was completely fair and unbiased until liberals swooped into editorial offices and set up field offices of the DNC?
 
According to you, there was no bias in the days of. Jefferson (false). I suppose you also don't think that the media savaged Andrew Jackson.

I suppose up until 1960, journalism was completely fair and unbiased until liberals swooped into editorial offices and set up field offices of the DNC?

Why are you inventing words I never wrote?

Perhaps that is something you're accustomed to doing when replying to posts, but fabricating what someone has posted is a poor way to debate.
 
Gentlemen and ladies:

All media and all journalism is biased because humans perceive and report the news through their own understanding of the world around them. All history and all current events are simply myths of varying degrees of accuracy which the bulk of society agrees to accept and share according to their preconceived or received notions of the world around them. It is all distorted reality in the fun-house hall of mirrors.

The real problem is not bias but intentional partisanship in much of the media. That and the fact that most people don't bother to expose themselves to other points of view. Instead they prefer to live in a selective echo-chamber which reinforces prejudices and hardens opinions into the metal of ironclad convictions. Conservatives, liberals, libertarians, progressives and other ideologies are just political pigeon holes - labels that don't reflect the whole person. Such terms are tools for dividing folk so that their would be masters can rule them more easily. Like the colour factions in Rome who would on occasion kill each other over games and triumphs. Divide and conquer. What does it matter whether a liberal or a conservative unemployed you and your neighbours by outsourcing your jobs abroad?

Americans need to come together and talk. Then they will realise that they're not that different from each other and that their real political enemies are not around them but above them. Organise and cooperate to make your communities and your country great for yourselves and your neighbours. Don't expect your masters to do it, they serve their own interests. Those who would rule you look down upon the divided and squabbling masses and like the gods of Olympus they laugh, drunk with their own power and the people's impotence. You are all thrall to your divisions and are shackled by your enmity for each other.

Relearn the skills of neighbourliness, civil discussion and political compromise, which the fathers of your great republic used to forge a new, bright nation from a rump of the British Empire. It's not up to Trump or Ryan or Pelosi or McConnell. It's up to you all individually. Make a change and remove the political blinders which narrow your view and blind you to new possibilities. Love thy neighbour and be wary of government for the former is your ally and the latter is a dreadful but necessary leviathan.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Why are you inventing words I never wrote?

Perhaps that is something you're accustomed to doing when replying to posts, but fabricating what someone has posted is a poor way to debate.

I'm trying to figure out your version of the history of media bias. Since according to you there was a time when it wasn't that way.
 
I'm trying to figure out your version of the history of media bias. Since according to you there was a time when it wasn't that way.

So that effort requires you to fabricate what someone has written?

I don't recall how much time you have spent on planet earth, so I don't know what perspective you operate from.

In the 60's and 70's, even into the early 80's, journalism focused on reporting the news. Period. Editorializing was identified as such, whether in print in the Editorial Sections, or on TV, via opinion segments.

That doesn't exist today. Don't take my word for it, look at how people view the news business. The number one complaint is bias. Journalist wrote Op-Eds admitting as much, trying to excuse why they were doing so.

Comey testified the "anonymous sources" news reports were BS. The NYT and CNN were forced to correct claims, and did so.

I can appreciate one would deny this is going on, when the effort favors the "side" you are on, but what happens if that benefit changes? What if the vast majority of the news provided was like Fox News? How would you feel then.

In almost every case of failed society, the first thing the propagators of such failure did was capture the means of disseminating the news to the population.

Think about that.
 
All media and all journalism is biased because humans perceive and report the news through their own understanding of the world around them. All history and all current events are simply myths of varying degrees of accuracy which the bulk of society agrees to accept and share according to their preconceived or received notions of the world around them. It is all distorted reality in the fun-house hall of mirrors.

The real problem is not bias but intentional partisanship in much of the media. That and the fact that most people don't bother to expose themselves to other points of view. Instead they prefer to live in a selective echo-chamber which reinforces prejudices and hardens opinions into the metal of ironclad convictions.

Excellent distinction between bias and intentional partisanship. Couldn't agree more.

Conservatives, liberals, libertarians, progressives and other ideologies are just political pigeon holes - labels that don't reflect the whole person. Such terms are tools for dividing folk so that their would be masters can rule them more easily. Like the colour factions in Rome who would on occasion kill each other over games and triumphs. Divide and conquer. What does it matter whether a liberal or a conservative unemployed you and your neighbours by outsourcing your jobs abroad?

Don't agree here, however. I self-describe as a white man which is a generalization. You cannot know my actual heritage from this statement yet my statement is still true. Further details would be needed for you to know my true self, yet you would have a general idea of what I might look like. When I self describe as a conservative, am I pigeon holed? I should only be generalized, and anyone else should simply be more curious about my particulars.

Americans need to come together and talk. Then they will realise that they're not that different from each other and that their real political enemies are not around them but above them. Organise and cooperate to make your communities and your country great for yourselves and your neighbours.

Need, yes. Possible only to the eternal optimist. There are many people that cannot be reasoned with. I, for example am hated by many people on this forum alone. Just for the incomprehensible crime of voting for Trump.

Don't expect your masters to do it, they serve their own interests. Those who would rule you look down upon the divided and squabbling masses and like the gods of Olympus they laugh, drunk with their own power and the people's impotence. You are all thrall to your divisions and are shackled by your enmity for each other.

This is the exact reason why I advocate for a return to constitutional principles, term limits, and massive shrinking of government via the mechanism of reduced taxation. No matter what you do, people in power like what they have. And they want more of it. I have been into the election machine, and met many of the politicians whose names you would know from my state. They all advocate for whatever gives them your vote in the moment, then act on whatever gives them power down the road. The only viable solution in my opinion is to severely restrict their power, as the constitution was intended to do.

Relearn the skills of neighbourliness, civil discussion and political compromise, which the fathers of your great republic used to forge a new, bright nation from a rump of the British Empire. It's not up to Trump or Ryan or Pelosi or McConnell. It's up to you all individually. Make a change and remove the political blinders which narrow your view and blind you to new possibilities. Love thy neighbour and be wary of government for the former is your ally and the latter is a dreadful but necessary leviathan.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

And to you.:peace

[Please note for purposes of accuracy that I screwed up the posting methodology a little bit. Only the verbiage in the balloons belongs to evilroddy. All other comments are mine.]

Nuber
 
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Nuber:

Your second point is well taken but I was not talking about self-identification. Rather, I was trying to explain (badly) the use of these labels to delineate the "otherness" of people in a public discussion in order to invoke suspicion and skepticism of the other. This induces a pack mentality and a sort of ideological xenophobia making cross-ideological discussion and compromise that much more difficult. Soon these labels cease to be descriptors and become pejorative attacks as the body-politic fragments into an archipelago of fortified, ideological islands with no real means for cross-communication or negotiation. With these islands encysted from one another there is far less room for dialogue and broad-based consensus building needed to make functional compromise solutions. This is what people in power want so that grass roots movements seldom arise to challenge their desired monopoly on power.

If it's any consolation I don't hate you or anyone else on this forum. How can one hate those one does not know? That is once again the insidious effects of "otherness" walling us off from one another and muzzling our ability to cooperate for our mutual benefit. The USA was once a commonwealth and could be again if people would reject "otherness" and work together towards a more perfect union. In the spirit of full disclosure I am not an American citizen and I can be quite critical of America. But on the whole you are great neighbours and Canada won the geographical lottery when we landed up next to you all down south (and north too Alaska, I couldn't forget you folks). So cheer up and know you have at least one sympathetic pair of ears here on DPF. Peace out!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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In the spirit of full disclosure I am not an American citizen and I can be quite critical of America. But on the whole you are great neighbours and Canada won the geographical lottery when we landed up next to you all down south (and north too Alaska, I couldn't forget you folks). So cheer up and know you have at least one sympathetic pair of ears here on DPF. Peace out!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I support your criticism as actually "listening" to it is one method of reducing close-minededness or group-think type mentalities. It has never mattered to me who is right, only what is right.

Your nationality does not lower my opinion of your thoughts, and I reciprocate your "good neighbor" vibes. After all, my daughter married a Canadian (apparently no-one from this country was good enough!).
 
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