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Fox News retracts story on Seth Rich murder investigation

Erod said:
Sounds a lot like this Russian story, ya think?
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Not a bit.

Just off the top of my head.

We have actually confirmed that meetings took place between campaign officials and Russian officials and the campaign originally denied that these took place. To date there is no confirmation of any meeting between Seth Rich and any Wikileaks people.

We have confirmed that people in the Trump administration have lied about what they have told to Russian officials and we have even had a national security advisor fired/resign over the dishonesty. There have been no lies brought forth to date in the Seth Rich case (other than right wing conspiracy theories which have been shown to be false and since retracted).

US intelligence agencies have confirmed Russia did run a campaign to get Trump elected/to make Hillary lose. This was an extremely aggressive campaign including fake news, internet trolls, russian media, creating talking points etc. which falls in line with other attempts made by Russia on other elections in the world.

We have confirmed that people in the Trump administration did not disclose money received from foreign governments that are close to Russia.

The FBI has deemed that an investigation is required on the Trump Russia story and not on the Seth Rich story by all accounts.

Took me all of five seconds to think this up.

No, we don't have any public direct evidence of any Trump-Russia collusion. But we have tons of facts that just don't make sense and would appear incredibly odd to any bystander. This mixed with the fact that Trump has spoken with the FBI director about letting this investigation go, that Trump has been less transparent than any modern administration, that the treasury department is currently stalling requests by congress for information, the republican in charge of leading the investigation in the house made an absolute mockery of the congress by trying to divert attention and did such a poor job of it he had to step aside. etc.

My stance on this is simple. Appoint a special counsel who is above reproach and highly regarded as above board (done) and let him investigate privately. Give him all the info. If he finds no wrongdoing, then so be it. If he determines this was a witch hunt, then make that be publicly known. If he thinks that the trump campaign behaved stupidly but did nothing illegal then also let that be known. I will gladly 100% stand behind any assessment that Mueller makes.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Not a bit.

Just off the top of my head.

We have actually confirmed that meetings took place between campaign officials and Russian officials and the campaign originally denied that these took place. To date there is no confirmation of any meeting between Seth Rich and any Wikileaks people.

We have confirmed that people in the Trump administration have lied about what they have told to Russian officials and we have even had a national security advisor fired/resign over the dishonesty. There have been no lies brought forth to date in the Seth Rich case (other than right wing conspiracy theories which have been shown to be false and since retracted).

US intelligence agencies have confirmed Russia did run a campaign to get Trump elected/to make Hillary lose. This was an extremely aggressive campaign including fake news, internet trolls, russian media, creating talking points etc. which falls in line with other attempts made by Russia on other elections in the world.

We have confirmed that people in the Trump administration did not disclose money received from foreign governments that are close to Russia.

The FBI has deemed that an investigation is required on the Trump Russia story and not on the Seth Rich story by all accounts.

Took me all of five seconds to think this up.

No, we don't have any public direct evidence of any Trump-Russia collusion. But we have tons of facts that just don't make sense and would appear incredibly odd to any bystander. This mixed with the fact that Trump has spoken with the FBI director about letting this investigation go, that Trump has been less transparent than any modern administration, that the treasury department is currently stalling requests by congress for information, the republican in charge of leading the investigation in the house made an absolute mockery of the congress by trying to divert attention and did such a poor job of it he had to step aside. etc.

My stance on this is simple. Appoint a special counsel who is above reproach and highly regarded as above board (done) and let him investigate privately. Give him all the info. If he finds no wrongdoing, then so be it. If he determines this was a witch hunt, then make that be publicly known. If he thinks that the trump campaign behaved stupidly but did nothing illegal then also let that be known. I will gladly 100% stand behind any assessment that Mueller makes.
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You haven't "confirmed" any of that.

What is confirmed is that thousands of senators, representatives, and administration personnel have met with thousands of Russian representatives for decades. Including most every Democrat in Washington.
 
Mac77 said:
You read Fox News and then attacked Fox News.
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And? I've never said they are 100% wrong. They can get stuff right. In the future there will be a time where Fox will report something I find hard to believe and they will be found out to be right and I will accept it when they are proven right. That has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Where/what should I be reading that shows that Seth Rich leaked anything to wikileaks or that Clinton had him murdered?
 
Erod said:
You haven't "confirmed" any of that.

What is confirmed is that thousands of senators, representatives, and administration personnel have met with thousands of Russian representatives for decades. Including most every Democrat in Washington.
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So you don't think it's confirmed that Flynn lied about what he discussed over the phone with the Russian ambassador? You think that's just speculation?

Erod, please take an honest approach to this question. The man was fired for lying by the same guy that appointed him. Are you really telling me that he didn't in fact lie about this?
 
roughdraft274 said:
So you don't think it's confirmed that Flynn lied about what he discussed over the phone with the Russian ambassador? You think that's just speculation?

Erod, please take an honest approach to this question. The man was fired for lying by the same guy that appointed him. Are you really telling me that he didn't in fact lie about this?
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He was fired. OK, fine. He gave me the willies to begin with, just like Rick Perry and Bannon.

All presidents hire some wrong people. And they replace them. There's nothing new there.

Especially for a guy who's never been in politics. Trump is learning on the job for sure. Who wouldn't be?

I don't like Trump, but this is BEYOND nuts the way he's being pounded daily.

The media and intelligence agencies were called out by Trump throughout the election. They're getting even. That's all this is.
 
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Erod said:
He was fired. OK, fine. He gave me the willies to begin with, just like Rick Perry and Bannon.

All presidents hire some wrong people. And they replace them. There's nothing new there.

Especially for a guy who's never been in politics. Trump is learning on the job for sure. Who wouldn't be?

I don't like Trump, but this is BEYOND nuts the way he's being pounded daily.

The media and intelligence agencies were called out by Trump throughout the election. They're getting even. That's all this is.
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You completely avoided my point. First you said I made all of that stuff up, then you avoided it.

Very simple.


Was Flynn fired/made to resign because he lied about what he communicated to Russian officials?

Also another very simple question.

Did Trump fire him when he found out about this lie, or did he wait until it became public?

I know you think this is nothing because you support Trump, but if even just his tiny part of the scandal was one of Hillary's appointees you'd be screaming bloody murder for prosecution. I just gave you an entire post full of facts that you just ignore and side step. You don't like reality because it doesn't agree with you. I don't blame you, thats human nature, but you need to learn to deal with this.
 
Erod said:
Funny how everybody dies the most incredible deaths around this clan.
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Funny how you'll cry fake news from NYT ro WaPo but cling to nutjob conspiracy theories from the most fringe of sources.
 
poweRob said:
Funny how you'll cry fake news from NYT ro WaPo but cling to nutjob conspiracy theories from the most fringe of sources.
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Clinging to nothing. I just wish the NY Times would cover, or not cover, both stories. The evidence is the same.

But they have elections to win for their beloved DNC.
 
Erod said:
We'll see.

Hannity claims that he's really close to a huge story on this. He's going to be quiet right now, but he claims he's talking to Rich's parents on a daily basis. He's got a team of reporters putting the final pieces together.

His career depends on it. He'd better prove it.

Of course, CNN has zero proof on this Russian nonsense, but they aren't held to the same standard.
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You are comparing apples to oranges. With what you are calling the Russian nonsense, there is a serious investigation, and there is even a Special Prosecutor involved. The so called Seth Rich murder? Nothing of the kind, and FOX News has even retracted the story. Washington Police are saying that the murder was most likely the result of an attempted robbery. Hannity is going to resign in disgrace.
 
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