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Will FNC Become more Liberal?

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Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter

Michael Wolff: It's James Murdoch's Fox News Now | Hollywood Reporter

With the ouster of Roger Ailes and now Bill O’Reilly, Rupert Murdoch's son has overthrown his own network as he moves to reinvent the family company's profit machine at great risk.

It was, he proudly told friends, a right decision rather than a business decision. The billionaire scion was aligning himself, profits be damned, with a new generation of corporate responsibility.

And, most immediately, this means that Fox News, that constant irritant in James’ view of himself as a progressive and visionary television executive, will begin to change. Virtually overnight.

James’ dream, wherein he hopes to match his father’s accomplishments, and which he has been spinning for all who might listen for many years now, is of combining Sky News and Fox News with the vast Murdoch reach and producing some ultimate global news brand. Where Fox News is parochial and America First, the new global brand is worldly and unlimited. It will give his family’s company, once the pirate company, new meaning and new stature — a force for stability instead of upheaval. Murdoch media, in an age of populist disruption, will stand for the established world order.
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So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter. So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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First it is an opinion piece really light on facts and more like an essay.

Second the advertisers were fleeing Oh Really in droves and the cost benefit ratio was changing for the worse.

Third subbing Tucker isn't a swing to the left... FAAAAARRRRR from it. He is just a 98 lb weakling version of Oh Really's tuff guy persona.

Fox is changing but don't expect a MSNBC format... :peace
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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They made their dollars being the opposite of CNN/MSPMS. He would be a fool.
 
jonny5 said:
So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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Well, that's an interesting question. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is $$ from ad revenues. It seems that FNC is having it's advertisers targeted. Yes, O'Reilly was a dbag that needed to go but the same thing happened to Glenn Beck, who wasn't a harasser of women.

However, FNC has such high ratings because it's the only major news outlet that doesn't have a liberal bias. If they became more liberal they will lose in the ratings as more Republican oriented people will stop watching it and it's not like any Democrat oriented people will switch over. Lower ratings also results in lower ad revenues.

Which will win out or will it ultimately lead to the FNC just folding completely, caught in a no-win situation?
 
As a simple matter of business, FNC would be stupid to move left. It has the conservative cable news market cornered. Its ratings are the result of that. Giving up a secure and exclusive market share of ~50% would be ridiculous. It should continue to let the other news outlets split liberal viewership, while living in the land of milk and honey.

Any liberal show on FNC will compete with 10 other news outlets instead of being the only source of conservative news for that time slot.
 
Fishking said:
Well, that's an interesting question. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is $$ from ad revenues. It seems that FNC is having it's advertisers targeted. Yes, O'Reilly was a dbag that needed to go but the same thing happened to Glenn Beck, who wasn't a harasser of women.

However, FNC has such high ratings because it's the only major news outlet that doesn't have a liberal bias. If they became more liberal they will lose in the ratings as more Republican oriented people will stop watching it and it's not like any Democrat oriented people will switch over. Lower ratings also results in lower ad revenues.

Which will win out or will it ultimately lead to the FNC just folding completely, caught in a no-win situation?
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They might have higher ratings, but I dont know if that means higher revenue. Watch CNN and FNC commercials sometimes. CNN has banks. Fox has the pillow guy.
 
ecofarm said:
As a simple matter of business, FNC would be stupid to move left. It has the conservative cable news market cornered. Its ratings are the result of that. Giving up a secure and exclusive market share of ~50% would be ridiculous. It should continue to let the other news outlets split liberal viewership, while living in the land of milk and honey.

Any liberal show on FNC will compete with 10 other news outlets instead of being the only source of conservative news for that time slot.
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Yeah but the point is liberals care more about perception than success. Corporate Responsibility. Look at MSNBC. Theyre bottom of the pile. They dont care.
 
jonny5 said:
Yeah but the point is liberals care more about perception than success. Corporate Responsibility. Look at MSNBC. Theyre bottom of the pile. They dont care.
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MSNBC is owned by Comcast, I doubt they are a liberal feel good company
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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Why would they change to follow the business model of other liberal cable stations? So they can have lousy ratings too?
 
WCH said:
They made their dollars being the opposite of CNN/MSPMS. He would be a fool.
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Lachlan's wife is on the board of the Clinton Global Initiative so it's the usual global elite incest in the media.

We'll have to see. There has been rumblings off and on the MSNBC can be bought. If Murdoch's kids think they can slice the liberal pie three ways instead of two, they are delusional.

What's I'm reading is they want to have some global presence like CNN. But CNN is already there and doing OK with it. I don't see a world news market in need of competition unless there is a war going on.

EDIT: They don't see the opposing views of Fox as having validity. That is what the beef between Murdoch, Sr. and the brats was all about. But Fox is worth 20% of the corporate
income.
 
The two departing hosts, Megan Kelly and O'Reilly weren't all that conservative so they don't become more liberal just because they left. Plus, I can't imagine them bringing in a lefty too replace one of them. Why try to take market share from cnn or msnbc? No one watches them.
 
jonny5 said:
They might have higher ratings, but I dont know if that means higher revenue. Watch CNN and FNC commercials sometimes. CNN has banks. Fox has the pillow guy.
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That's kinda the point I was making.
 
MaggieD said:
Why would they change to follow the business model of other liberal cable stations? So they can have lousy ratings too?
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Because he's embarrassed at what Fox news is, what it has become, and where it's going, according to the article.
James regarded many of the people at Fox News as thuggish Neanderthals and said he was embarrassed to be in the same company with them.
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James’ dream, wherein he hopes to match his father’s accomplishments, and which he has been spinning for all who might listen for many years now, is of combining Sky News and Fox News with the vast Murdoch reach and producing some ultimate global news brand. Where Fox News is parochial and America First, the new global brand is worldly and unlimited. It will give his family’s company, once the pirate company, new meaning and new stature — a force for stability instead of upheaval. Murdoch media, in an age of populist disruption, will stand for the established world order.
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Global world order, stability....wow. If FOX can help usher that era in to the U.S., wouldn't that be some irony?
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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Th real question is - will Big Time Wrestling ever become real?

Fox News is the highway accident that people love to see. They're getting ripped apart now and gutted like a fish: couldn't be happening to a nicer bunch of people.
 
Will Fox News Become More Liberal?

Perhaps.

It depends on the influence exherted by the new Murdoch's wife, I suppose.

The NEW FOX News: James Murdoch’s Leftie Wife Works for Clinton Climate Initiative – Regularly Trashes Trump on Twitter

As to whether FNC leadership would give up their #1 cable news ratings and their advertise source of income, since when do leftists do well in media?

The network was financially troubled, however. A scandal involving nearly a million dollars in loans from a Boys and Girls Club in New York secretly transacted by Evan Cohen came out in 2005 and was a source of negative publicity. The loans were repaid, and in October 2006, mounting debts forced Air America Radio to file Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The company was bought by Green Family Media, made up of New York real estate investor Stephen L. Green and his brother Mark J. Green, who bought the network in March 2007 for US$4.25 million.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(radio_network)
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Fox News Crushing CNN and MSNBC in Ratings Post-Election - 12/2016

Fox News beats CNN, MSNBC combined in Feb. ratings - Huff&Puff 2/2017

Seems there's an entire industry that's grown up with little more than pushing leftist agenda and losing money and ratings. Doesn't seem to stop them.
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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If it does, the door will be wide open for a centrist/conservative news network to take the ratings by storm.
 
jonny5 said:
They might have higher ratings, but I dont know if that means higher revenue. Watch CNN and FNC commercials sometimes. CNN has banks. Fox has the pillow guy.
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No FNC has the catheter guy. :lol:

 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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Fox News became a success almost overnight because almost all if not all other TV networks are either downright liberal or tilt liberal. Fox News gave the conservatives a channel to view and to become shall I say, their own. Prior to Fox, liberals watched TV and conservatives listened to the radio and stewed every time they turned the tube on.

I think if we have a liberal progressive owner of Fox News now, that it will ultimately move further to the left and yes, lose viewership much like CNN did. Once that starts to happen, the question becomes will the businessman take over and move Fox back to the right or does James Mourdock persists to make Fox over in his personal political ideology? Time will tell as it always does.
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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It all depends who will make them the most money. Look Murdock senior is up in age and his sons are liberal cats.

Look FOX news was started because there was a need of a media that wasn't so engulfed in leftist ideology.

That doesn't mean the Murdocks believed in Conservative causes. Hell the Murdocks combined have given hundreds of millions to the Democrats over the years. From the beginning FOX was started as something needed in the market place that would make FOX money.

From the beginning it was all about making money.
 
I don't see why they would. They're successful because they're the only right-leaning news network.
 
jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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It's almost worth it to get rid of that stupid pillow ad!
 
jonny5 said:
Yeah but the point is liberals care more about perception than success. Corporate Responsibility. Look at MSNBC. Theyre bottom of the pile. They dont care.
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Liberals, blah blah blah...
 
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jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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No.

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jonny5 said:
Thats the topic of this article by the Hollywood Reporter



So, does a Liberal CEO as the head of FNC mean FNC will start shifting to become more like MSNBC or CNN? And thus lose start to lose ratings? Already we have Tucker Carlson interviewing trans people, whats next?
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FOX News will only shift if there is more money in it for them.
 
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