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Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context'

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The Patriots aren't very happy with the New York Times right now. If you follow Donald Trump on Twitter, then you probably know that one of his favorite things to do on the social media site is to call out the New York Times for their "#FakeNews." If you don't follow him on Twitter, well, then just trust me, it's one of his favorite things to do.
Trump must've inspired the Patriots because the NFL team also called out the Times following the team's visit to the White House on Wednesday .


LOOK: Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context' - CBSSports.com

The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
 
holbritter said:
The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
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That’s true and on the face of it the New York Times was being dishonest for copy (an unfortunately common media practice, regardless of politics).

Of course it could be argued that “Sport Team visits President” isn’t really news at all and when the Whitehouse tries to manufacture the whole thing for a bit of positive spin, it’s inevitable that others will try to turn it in to negative spin. It’s also worth remembering that Trump isn’t on very firm ground in the field of honestly comparing the number of people at similar events. ;)
 
So then it's the New York Time's fault the White House organizers elected to sit the Patriot staff instead of having them up there? Or for the fact roughly 40% of the team chose not to attend for one reason or the other? Regardless of how you want to spin this as a "attack from the press" Trump got shafted from the Patriots. Tom Brady himself didn't attend, (which he announced only a few hours prior to the event.) Danny Amendola didn't attend (to which lead to the funny as **** gaff with Trump turning around to look for Amendola.) And to top it all off not a single player who did attend signed the helmet given to Trump whereas Obama was given a helmet full of signatures from the Patriots two years prior. (NFL helmet, not a safety helmet that Trump needs.)


Honestly, the time I'll ever consider people who unironically use the phrase "fake news" sincere will be the time they admit the guy they elect and support is a serial liar and spreader of "fake news."
 
holbritter said:
The Patriots aren't very happy with the New York Times right now. If you follow Donald Trump on Twitter, then you probably know that one of his favorite things to do on the social media site is to call out the New York Times for their "#FakeNews." If you don't follow him on Twitter, well, then just trust me, it's one of his favorite things to do.
Trump must've inspired the Patriots because the NFL team also called out the Times following the team's visit to the White House on Wednesday .


LOOK: Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context' - CBSSports.com

The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
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Screw Trump the constant liar.
 
CMPancake said:
So then it's the New York Time's fault the White House organizers elected to sit the Patriot staff instead of having them up there? Or for the fact roughly 40% of the team chose not to attend for one reason or the other? Regardless of how you want to spin this as a "attack from the press" Trump got shafted from the Patriots. Tom Brady himself didn't attend, (which he announced only a few hours prior to the event.) Danny Amendola didn't attend (to which lead to the funny as **** gaff with Trump turning around to look for Amendola.) And to top it all off not a single player who did attend signed the helmet given to Trump whereas Obama was given a helmet full of signatures from the Patriots two years prior. (NFL helmet, not a safety helmet that Trump needs.)


Honestly, the time I'll ever consider people who unironically use the phrase "fake news" sincere will be the time they admit the guy they elect and support is a serial liar and spreader of "fake news."
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Tom Brady didn't attend for Obama either. Did you even read it?
And it wasn't even Trump who said anything this time, it was the Patriots .
 
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holbritter said:
Tom Brady didn't attend for Obama either.
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That's irrelevant to the point, but I'm not the least bit surprised the point went over your head. Should I say it slower and with more finger waving?

holbritter said:
Did you even read it?
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Did you read my post? Or was there not enough finger wagging and slow talking for you?
 
CMPancake said:
That's irrelevant to the point, but I'm not the least bit surprised the point went over your head. Should I say it slower and with more finger waving?



Did you read my post? Or was there not enough finger wagging and slow talking for you?
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your doing the deflection here. You said Trump got shafted from the Patriots. Tom Brady himself didn't attend. Just pointing out he didn't attend last time either, so I guess Obama got shafted as well.

Your statement about talking slower is incredibly rude and uncalled for, but if it makes you feel good about yourself, I can take it.
 
holbritter said:
The Patriots aren't very happy with the New York Times right now. If you follow Donald Trump on Twitter, then you probably know that one of his favorite things to do on the social media site is to call out the New York Times for their "#FakeNews." If you don't follow him on Twitter, well, then just trust me, it's one of his favorite things to do.
Trump must've inspired the Patriots because the NFL team also called out the Times following the team's visit to the White House on Wednesday .


LOOK: Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context' - CBSSports.com

The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
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Yeah, that was dishonest.
 
holbritter said:
your doing the deflection here.
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I haven't deflected. I responded to your thread with my thoughts, inserted some facts and meanwhile your response is quite literally "Hurrr Brady didn't see Obama either." Like that somehow deflates the rest of my post like the way Tom Brady deflates footballs. (Zing!) Either address my points, or admit you made this thread in a childish attempt to draw the attention away from the fact the Patriots as a whole did their best to not be associated with President Trump.

holbritter said:
You said Trump got shafted from the Patriots.
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Yep, that's what I said. And I also followed that up with mentioning the fact 40% of the team refused to go, and along with the fact not a single Patriot signed the helmet given to Trump.

Imagine having 40% of the people you invited to a massive event you planned just for those people. Hell, imagine if 40% of the people you invited to your birthday party or your wedding did not show up. And the ones who did only gave you a fistbump and a pat on the back. I couldn't really picture a bigger spat in the face.

holbritter said:
Tom Brady himself didn't attend. Just pointing out he didn't attend last time either, so I guess Obama got shafted as well.
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You're showing you didn't read my post. Which is understandable, after all it was a whole paragraph large and used big words like "signatures" and "helmet." But if you read my post the whole way through (which we both know you didn't.) You would see that Trump got a signatureless helmet from the 30 or so Patriots that attended the event. Whereas Obama got a helmet full of signatures from the 50 players that attended his event.

holbritter said:
Your statement about talking slower is incredibly rude and uncalled for, but if it makes you feel good about yourself, I can take it.
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I'm just "tellin' it like it is." It got one clown elected to the highest office in the land, I figure it can at least get me a gift card to TGI Fridays at the very least.
 
holbritter said:
The Patriots aren't very happy with the New York Times right now. If you follow Donald Trump on Twitter, then you probably know that one of his favorite things to do on the social media site is to call out the New York Times for their "#FakeNews." If you don't follow him on Twitter, well, then just trust me, it's one of his favorite things to do.
Trump must've inspired the Patriots because the NFL team also called out the Times following the team's visit to the White House on Wednesday .


LOOK: Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context' - CBSSports.com

The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
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The NYT was clearly mocking Trump who loves his crowd sizes. Good for them.
 
CMPancake said:
So then it's the New York Time's fault the White House organizers elected to sit the Patriot staff instead of having them up there?
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No, it’s their fault for either not checking the facts before posting (or for knowing the facts but deliberately misrepresenting them). In their rush to profit from the politics, they messed up.

CMPancake said:
Regardless of how you want to spin this as a "attack from the press" Trump got shafted from the Patriots.
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I think you’re overselling it but it does seem there was some level of political snub of Trump by some of the players. Maybe the NYT should have put some real journalistic effort in to actually reporting and discussing that rather than just throwing out a jokey comment based on a couple of official pictures.

CMPancake said:
Honestly, the time I'll ever consider people who unironically use the phrase "fake news" sincere will be the time they admit the guy they elect and support is a serial liar and spreader of "fake news."
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Trump’s many, many failing don’t reduce or mitigate the many, many failings of the media industry. The “fake news” meme has run wildly off course (though it had a valid starting point that has been sadly lost) but the “bad journalism” reality has continued on regardless.
 
That is the problem with getting your news from tweets. The actual story linked in the tweet did provide context. But the NYT knows most people will share the tweet without actually reading the article.
 
HonestJoe said:
No, it’s their fault for either not checking the facts before posting (or for knowing the facts but deliberately misrepresenting them).
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What facts were there to check? It is demonstrably true that less players showed up to Trump's White House event than at Obama's. It's not up to the New York Times to tell the White House organizers "Hey make sure you gather up your staff to join in on this picture exactly like how Obama did it two years ago!"


HonestJoe said:
In their rush to profit from the politics, they messed up.
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Or perhaps in the Alt-Right's rush to hop on their victim trains they once again thud their foreheads against the steering wheel like Michael J. Fox in a bumper car.

HonestJoe said:
I think you’re overselling it but it does seem there was some level of political snub of Trump by some of the players.
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Overselling it? Former Patriot Chris Long said outright he doesn't want his children to ever see him in a photo with Trump. Bennett is very open about his political beliefs regarding Trump. And while others may have had other issues, and reasons why they didn't attend, it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to tell you that 40% of a team refusing to meet the President while all but five refused to meet the former President just two years ago is a political statement.


HonestJoe said:
Maybe the NYT should have put some real journalistic effort in to actually reporting and discussing that rather than just throwing out a jokey comment based on a couple of official pictures.
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Or maybe Trump shouldn't be such a putz that scares away celebrities and athletes from wanting to be associated with what should be the most powerful person in the free world. Oh, and whoever decided that the employees that directly aided the New England Patriots should be snubbed from a photo with the President should be canned too.

HonestJoe said:
Trump’s many, many failing don’t reduce or mitigate the many, many failings of the media industry.
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I won't argue against the fact the media does have a bias, but it shouldn't have to apologize for reporting on the fact less players attended Trump's white house event.
 
The absolute most pathologically dishonest faction of America today is the mainstream media.

Period.
 
CMPancake said:
What facts were there to check?
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That the pictures they were using actually depicted what they claimed they depicted.

CMPancake said:
It is demonstrably true that less players showed up to Trump's White House event than at Obama's. It's not up to the New York Times to tell the White House organizers "Hey make sure you gather up your staff to join in on this picture exactly like how Obama did it two years ago!"
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No. The Whitehouse was free to arrange it’s seating arrangements and take official photographs however it wanted. If the NYT is going to take two of those pictures and present them as a side-by-side comparison though, they have a responsibility to ensure they’re actually comparing like with like.

CMPancake said:
Overselling it? Former Patriot Chris Long said outright he doesn't want his children to ever see him in a photo with Trump. Bennett is very open about his political beliefs regarding Trump. And while others may have had other issues, and reasons why they didn't attend, it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to tell you that 40% of a team refusing to meet the President while all but five refused to meet the former President just two years ago is a political statement.
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Yes, but not a highly significant one. Professional football players are no more (or less) important than anyone else, so all this is really about is that a subset of a group of Americans really don’t like Trump, something that hardly counts as news.

CMPancake said:
I won't argue against the fact the media does have a bias, but it shouldn't have to apologize for reporting on the fact less players attended Trump's white house event.
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It isn’t reporting actual facts anyone is objecting to, it was the presentation of the two side-by-side photos and falsely asserting that they represented the full team attendance. It’s worth noting that the NYT appears to have acknowledged this was a mistake since they’ve removed it from the article (and presumably deleted or changed the tweet that focused on it). All their failure has done is distract from any real point to be made by the players (and staff? Though nobody seems to care about them because they’re not famous) who chose not to attend for political reasons.
 
holbritter said:
The Patriots aren't very happy with the New York Times right now. If you follow Donald Trump on Twitter, then you probably know that one of his favorite things to do on the social media site is to call out the New York Times for their "#FakeNews." If you don't follow him on Twitter, well, then just trust me, it's one of his favorite things to do.
Trump must've inspired the Patriots because the NFL team also called out the Times following the team's visit to the White House on Wednesday .


LOOK: Patriots call out 'New York Times' for White House photo tweet: 'Lacks context' - CBSSports.com

The more this crap happens, the more I distrust the media. Why they continue to do this when they have been called out on it is beyond me. Give it up already and just report factual news,
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Yeah it wasn't just the NYT's that spread this fake story but CNN and MSNBC did too.

Glad the Patriots called them out and made the point that over 40 staffers were in the picture in 2015 and this time the staffers were seated in the audience. The truth is the difference in the number of players between 2015 and this year that came to the WH were 2 less this year.

CNN, MSNBC, NY Times Spread False Story About Less Patriots Visiting Trump White House
 
I don't know what's more pathetic - the fact that the Trump nation citizens are weeping and gnashing their teeth over this, or the fact that the President Tweeted calling this a "big lie".

Meanwhile we here in New England are waiting for Trump's evidence of the 3000 voters bussed into NH on Election Day. Big lie!
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't know what's more pathetic - the fact that the Trump nation citizens are weeping and gnashing their teeth over this, or the fact that the President Tweeted calling this a "big lie".

Meanwhile we here in New England are waiting for Trump's evidence of the 3000 voters bussed into NH on Election Day. Big lie!
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No one is weeping here. I think it's almost comical that the NYT is yet again caught lying. And why shouldn't the President defend himself. What's pathetic is how people don't seem to care about being lied to by the press.
 
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holbritter said:
No one is weeping here. I think it's almost comical that the NYS is yet again caught lying. And why shouldn't the President defend himself. What's pathetic is how people don't seem to care about being lied to by the press.
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It wasn't a lie. There were fewer Patriot players there than the last time they went to the WH.

"Defend himself"? Does anyone in the country care how many football players show up for the WH ceremony....no.

I care about being lied to by the press. I also care about being lied to by the President. In fact, I care more about his lies than about them not pointing out that the Patriots staff was sitting versus standing in that picture. I know you don't care about his lies.
 
holbritter said:
No one is weeping here. I think it's almost comical that the NYT is yet again caught lying. And why shouldn't the President defend himself. What's pathetic is how people don't seem to care about being lied to by the press.
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But by that same metric, lots of people don't seem to care at all about lies when it's coming from Trump and his administration. The NYT was dishonest in this instance, but Donald Trump and his team acted similar, back when the inauguration attendance controversy was going on.
 
Oh look, Trump doing a 'terrorist fist bump'!
 
TheGoverness said:
The NYT was dishonest in this instance, but Donald Trump and his team acted similar, back when the inauguration attendance controversy was going on.
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Agree with this.
 
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