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Beware of "Judicial Watch" [W:208]

Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
The ALT Right targeted the non-profit ACORN, with their vast financial resources. How can you trust anything from a lying media group that includes James O'Keefe. He and his friend posed as a pimp and a prostitute, to visit ACORN offices around the country, in an effort to defame the group. They succeeded, in that ACORN went bankrupt. In the meanwhile, the two pimps were exposed - caught red-handed, along with Breitbart and FOX, so it was all a huge coordinated Right-Wing Lie.

James O'Keefe, NPR-Slayer: What Kind of Journalist is This?

"What he does isn't journalism," said Marty Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at USC's Annenberg School for Communication. "It's agitpop, politi-punking, entrapment-entertainment. There is no responsible definition of journalism that includes what he does or how he does it. His success at luring his prey into harming themselves is a measure of how fallible and foolish anyone, including good people, can sometimes be."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

In July and August 2009, Giles and O'Keefe visited ACORN offices in Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Brooklyn, San Bernardino, San Diego, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Miami. Giles dressed as a prostitute, while O'Keefe wore white khakis with a blue dress shirt and/or tie and claimed to be her boyfriend.[27] Giles and O'Keefe recorded the encounters using hidden cameras[17] and pretended to be seeking advice on how to run an illegal business[28] that included the use of underage girls in the sex trade.

On June 14, 2010, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) released its findings on ACORN, by then disbanded. It said that there was no evidence that the group, or any of its related organizations, mishandled any of the $40 million in federal money that they had received in recent years.

The Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes cleared ACORN employees in the local office of criminal wrongdoing on March 1, 2010, after a five-month investigation. A law enforcement source said, "They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” the Daily News quoted.[138] The ACORN lawyer Arthur Schwartz commented that ACORN was "gratified that the DA has concluded something we knew all along.” He said that O'Keefe and Giles had "used subterfuge to convince Congress and the media to vilify an organization that didn't deserve it."
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Except for, you know, all those voter fraud cases.

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182750646102435
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/04/court-upholds-conviction-acorn-voter-registration-/

Just a few of MANY examples.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
ACORN was engaged in voter fraud in several places in the US. Your entire argument breaks apart with that point.
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They were not. See how misinformed you are? You need to find better sources for information if you do not want to appear so ignorant.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

OpportunityCost said:
Except for, you know, all those voter fraud cases.

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182750646102435
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/04/court-upholds-conviction-acorn-voter-registration-/

Just a few of MANY examples.
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ACORN hired some people who faked registrations. In no way shape or form did they ask their workers to do such things. THEY are the ones who called the police.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
The ALT Right targeted the non-profit ACORN, with their vast financial resources. How can you trust anything from a lying media group that includes James O'Keefe. He and his friend posed as a pimp and a prostitute, to visit ACORN offices around the country, in an effort to defame the group. They succeeded, in that ACORN went bankrupt. In the meanwhile, the two pimps were exposed - caught red-handed, along with Breitbart and FOX, so it was all a huge coordinated Right-Wing Lie.

James O'Keefe, NPR-Slayer: What Kind of Journalist is This?

"What he does isn't journalism," said Marty Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at USC's Annenberg School for Communication. "It's agitpop, politi-punking, entrapment-entertainment. There is no responsible definition of journalism that includes what he does or how he does it. His success at luring his prey into harming themselves is a measure of how fallible and foolish anyone, including good people, can sometimes be."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

In July and August 2009, Giles and O'Keefe visited ACORN offices in Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Brooklyn, San Bernardino, San Diego, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Miami. Giles dressed as a prostitute, while O'Keefe wore white khakis with a blue dress shirt and/or tie and claimed to be her boyfriend.[27] Giles and O'Keefe recorded the encounters using hidden cameras[17] and pretended to be seeking advice on how to run an illegal business[28] that included the use of underage girls in the sex trade.

On June 14, 2010, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) released its findings on ACORN, by then disbanded. It said that there was no evidence that the group, or any of its related organizations, mishandled any of the $40 million in federal money that they had received in recent years.

The Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes cleared ACORN employees in the local office of criminal wrongdoing on March 1, 2010, after a five-month investigation. A law enforcement source said, "They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” the Daily News quoted.[138] The ACORN lawyer Arthur Schwartz commented that ACORN was "gratified that the DA has concluded something we knew all along.” He said that O'Keefe and Giles had "used subterfuge to convince Congress and the media to vilify an organization that didn't deserve it."
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Well, the only problem with all that is, most of those cases against them were BEFORE James O'keefe ever did his undercover videos.

But hey, we all know that you're going to believe whatever Media Matters tells you to believe, so I don't expect the truth will mean a damned thing to you.


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Media_Truth said:
The Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes cleared ACORN employees in the local office of criminal wrongdoing on March 1, 2010, after a five-month investigation. A law enforcement source said, "They edited the tape to meet their agenda,” the Daily News quoted.[138] The ACORN lawyer Arthur Schwartz commented that ACORN was "gratified that the DA has concluded something we knew all along.” He said that O'Keefe and Giles had "used subterfuge to convince Congress and the media to vilify an organization that didn't deserve it."[/I]
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Here's something else for you to chew on... That DA was a democrat who to this very day, has never pointed out one example from any of those tapes that substantiates that statement... I've even asked on this forum more times than I can count, for someone, anyone, to point to any example, from any of those tapes, where they had been edited in such a way that it a) misrepresented what any of those ACORN worker said, b) took them out of context, or c) made people believe that they said something that they really hadn't said. To this very day, not one person on this forum has ever done so, nor has anyone been able to post a link to any website that has done so.

If you would like to be the first, have at it... but I already know that you can't provide any such evidence, because no such evidence exists.


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Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
They were not. See how misinformed you are? You need to find better sources for information if you do not want to appear so ignorant.
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Better sources than the Wall St Journal and CNN?
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
ACORN hired some people who faked registrations. In no way shape or form did they ask their workers to do such things. THEY are the ones who called the police.
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That's why it was happening in multiple locations?
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
ACORN hired some people who faked registrations. In no way shape or form did they ask their workers to do such things. THEY are the ones who called the police.
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Not according to the news reports. Secretaries of multiple states and registrars did. Faking registrations is fraud.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Not according to the news reports. Secretaries of multiple states and registrars did. Faking registrations is fraud.
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Again, it was not ACORN dictating it. In fact, THEY were the ones who contacted the police.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

OpportunityCost said:
Except for, you know, all those voter fraud cases.

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182750646102435
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/04/court-upholds-conviction-acorn-voter-registration-/

Just a few of MANY examples.
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From your very own link:

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
So? Think about it for a second... what good would registering fake people -- like Mickey Mouse -- bring to ACORN?
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If they looked real enough, it could do the DNC more good than ACORN.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
Again, it was not ACORN dictating it. In fact, THEY were the ones who contacted the police.
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Nope. Registrars and circuit clerks and Secretaries of State did in many of the cases after multiple fakes were turned in.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
From your very own link:

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.
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You didn't look at the date apparently. That was true in 2008. It wasn't AS true after.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Grim17 said:
Here's something else for you to chew on... That DA was a democrat who to this very day, has never pointed out one example from any of those tapes that substantiates that statement... I've even asked on this forum more times than I can count, for someone, anyone, to point to any example, from any of those tapes, where they had been edited in such a way that it a) misrepresented what any of those ACORN worker said, b) took them out of context, or c) made people believe that they said something that they really hadn't said. To this very day, not one person on this forum has ever done so, nor has anyone been able to post a link to any website that has done so.

If you would like to be the first, have at it... but I already know that you can't provide any such evidence, because no such evidence exists.
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I don't think anybody owes anything to you. You honestly think a District Attorney is going to jeopardize his position, by lying about something like that, when he could be called on it, at anytime? You're delusional. And then there's the Maryland case, where the perpetrators are being sued.

ACORN sues undercover filmmakers - UPI.com

ACORN's release accuses filmmakers James O'Keefe, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, and the film's distributor, Breitbart.com, of violating a Maryland law prohibiting audio recording without the consent of the subject.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Middleground said:
ACORN hired some people who faked registrations. In no way shape or form did they ask their workers to do such things. THEY are the ones who called the police.
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My only issue with the entire ACORN defamation and bankruptcy, is that Democrats didn't seize this issue to expose the culprits, and more imporantly, the media outlets that aired the lies over and over. Had the tables been turned, FOX would have run with this story for years.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

OpportunityCost said:
Except for, you know, all those voter fraud cases.

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182750646102435
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/04/court-upholds-conviction-acorn-voter-registration-/

Just a few of MANY examples.
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You're really reaching. First of all, both of your other links involved the state of Nevada. This is all you could find throughout the entire US of A? No wonder others rebuked your claims. Again, from your own link:

The state did not prosecute anybody for submitting fraudulent voter registration because it could not prove which canvassers were involved. But the court said the “evidence demonstrates that the possibility of fraud is real.”

Sketchy at best. And you want to compare this to the witchhunt by Judicial Watch, O'Keefe, Breitbart, Rush, and FOX; that bankrupted an organization that works with housing the poor?
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
You're really reaching. First of all, both of your other links involved the state of Nevada. This is all you could find throughout the entire US of A? No wonder others rebuked your claims. Again, from your own link:

The state did not prosecute anybody for submitting fraudulent voter registration because it could not prove which canvassers were involved. But the court said the “evidence demonstrates that the possibility of fraud is real.”

Sketchy at best. And you want to compare this to the witchhunt by Judicial Watch, O'Keefe, Breitbart, Rush, and FOX; that bankrupted an organization that works with housing the poor?
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There were multiple states involved. Just because you chose to stick your head in the sand and want me to do all the legwork doesn't change that. You could quit being uninformed and go look for all the cases involved as there was some 10 states at minimum.

If their GOTV efforts were tainted with fraudulent registrations, why give them government money to do so? That's like saying a doctor that falsifies his medicaid documents doesn't deserve to go bankrupt because he helps the poor get healthcare.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
I don't think anybody owes anything to you. You honestly think a District Attorney is going to jeopardize his position, by lying about something like that, when he could be called on it, at anytime? You're delusional. And then there's the Maryland case, where the perpetrators are being sued.

ACORN sues undercover filmmakers - UPI.com

ACORN's release accuses filmmakers James O'Keefe, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, and the film's distributor, Breitbart.com, of violating a Maryland law prohibiting audio recording without the consent of the subject.
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Just as I thought... You can't offer up one example.

Don't worry though, you're not alone... Nobody else has been able to back up that bogus accusation either.

Oh, btw... Maryland courts dismissed that 2009 lawsuit back in March of 2010.
 
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Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

OpportunityCost said:
Nope. Registrars and circuit clerks and Secretaries of State did in many of the cases after multiple fakes were turned in.
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Why would you say such a thing when it is public record? Why lie about something that is easily provable?

Nevermind. So not worth it.
 
Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Media_Truth said:
My only issue with the entire ACORN defamation and bankruptcy, is that Democrats didn't seize this issue to expose the culprits, and more imporantly, the media outlets that aired the lies over and over. Had the tables been turned, FOX would have run with this story for years.
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What lies were those? Can you names some of them for us and substantiate your accusations?

The only lie I know of (if you can even call it that), is that they didn't actually wear the the pimp/hooker outfits they showed at the beginning of some of the videos, in the actual undercover recordings themselves... which of course we all know doesn't change a damned thing that those ACORN workers said on those tapes.


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Re: Beware of "Judicial Watch"

Parrish said:
Why would you say such a thing when it is public record? Why lie about something that is easily provable?

Nevermind. So not worth it.
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Then prove it. I know who reports voter fraud and asks for investigations and its county and state officials, not private companies.
 
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