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How the media pushes an agenda subtly

TurtleDude

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If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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Hollywood does this a lot too...
Not long ago a guy from work wanted to go see that Matt Damon Movie the Great Wall. I recalled the movie Elysium that Damon was in which seemed to have a lot of immigration and healthcare undertones... you might recall if you saw it.
I was thinking hrm is the Great Wall have some immigration metaphors .. being that Trump is talking about a wall. I'm glad it wasn't about that.
Movie was kind of a silly premise but man was it visually stunning.
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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The free market sucks, huh? :lamo
 
sangha said:
The free market sucks, huh? :lamo
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I will give you credit for a novel attempt to derail the point I made and totally ignore the gist of the thread in an effort to try to divert away from what ABC often does
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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You do realize that Designated Survivor is a show about the aftermath of the entire f**king government blown up whereas a totally unqualified person is put in charge of it and he has to steer the ship right? Remind you of anyone??? Designated Survivor is such a good show. It's way better than Madam Secretary (which is the show you should be targeting if any) I could care less what policies they push for in it or any TV show really. It is a fantasy/entertainment. As long as they put a good realistic argument for what type of policy they shoot for. It's fine by me. And some shows might have really interesting takes on topics, that you might never have thought of before...

I haven't seen tonight's episode so I can't comment on context yet, but it boggles the mind why conservatives still watch the "feel good nonsense," Hollywood pumps out on a daily basis. Shouldn't you spend your time watching something like Hunting Turkeys or something?

If you want to have Republican Talking points in your TV shows, watch Duck Dynasty...
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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There are pretty much only two scripted shows which don't - Blue Bloods and Last Man Standing.
 
ModerateGOP said:
You do realize that Designated Survivor is a show about the aftermath of the entire f**king government blown up whereas a totally unqualified person is put in charge of it and he has to steer the ship right? Remind you of anyone??? Designated Survivor is such a good show. It's way better than Madam Secretary (which is the show you should be targeting if any) I could care less what policies they push for in it or any TV show really. It is a fantasy/entertainment. As long as they put a good realistic argument for what type of policy they shoot for. It's fine by me. And some shows might have really interesting takes on topics, that you might never have thought of before...

I haven't seen tonight's episode so I can't comment on context yet, but it boggles the mind why conservatives still watch the "feel good nonsense," Hollywood pumps out on a daily basis. Shouldn't you spend your time watching something like Hunting Turkeys or something?

If you want to have Republican Talking points in your TV shows, watch Duck Dynasty...
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its a good show as is Madam Secretary but I am merely pointing out that the big three networks use entertainment to push their agenda
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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Them, the so-called journalists, and the movies.....it is the story tellers who get to decide the story.

They are indoctrinating, and they are willing to wait a generation or two to get their UTOPIA if need be but it had better not take that long.
 
sangha said:
The free market sucks, huh? :lamo
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Citizens United only won with a 5-4 decision. A lot of Supremes want to take away the free market.
 
TurtleDude said:
its a good show as is Madam Secretary but I am merely pointing out that the big three networks use entertainment to push their agenda
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But how is this different than any other conservatives telling us this for the past twenty years? You were the one who mentioned the west wing... I have actually begun to see a slight conservative edge to Hollywood since Trump got elected. More shows are introducing conservative policies or the after affects of conservative policies and are featuring plot lines that take place in Middle America. Lots of states are offering producers tax breaks to film there in order to bring in new business. Chicago (Dick Wolf and Chicago Franchise) and Albuquerque (Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul) are two big examples of mini-hollywoods coming out right now. Baltimore (House of Cards) and Atlanta (The Walking Dead) are up and coming too.
So not all filming is being done in NYC, or LA anymore like it always has been. With the streaming stuff coming out, someone could literally think up a new city and film there with no hesitations from Netflix. I just watched Startup on Crackle and it took place entirely in Miami and it was about decentralized digital currency. About as conservative as a plotline you can get.

So I think designated survivor is low on the totem poll of overly biased TV Shows.
 
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ModerateGOP said:
But how is this different than any other conservatives telling us this for the past twenty years? You were the one who mentioned the west wing... I have actually begun to see a slight conservative edge to Hollywood since Trump got elected. More shows are introducing conservative policies or the after affects of conservative policies and are featuring plot lines that take place in Middle America. Lots of states are offering producers tax breaks to film there in order to bring in new business. Chicago (Dick Wolf and Chicago Franchise) and Albuquerque (Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul) are two big examples of mini-hollywoods coming out right now. Baltimore (House of Cards) is up and coming too.
So not all filming is being done in NYC, or LA anymore like it always has been. With the streaming stuff coming out, someone could literally think up a new city and film there with no hesitations from Netflix. I just watched Startup on Crackle and it took place entirely in Miami and it was about decentralized currency. About as conservative as a plotline you can get.

So I think designated survivor is low on the totem poll of overly biased TV Shows.
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What could you have possibly seen since November which indicates a more "conservative" edge to Hollywood?
 
I agree that the media pushes these agendas, but it may not be deliberately in the sense that it's a liberal conspiracy. Consider that a lot of media is based out of Hollywood which is socially more liberal. The people running Hollywood will naturally insert their values into the work. Also consider that the majority of the U.S. lives in major urban areas which tend to be more liberal, so they have to pitch the content to a certain audience. I think ratings and money are therefore the driving force behind this, and not really ideology.

One thing that really bugs me about Hollywood in general, whether it's movies with a more conservative or liberal slant, is that they are subtlety teaching the public what to expect of the future. Right now the theme seems to be a dismal future, where everyone is impoverished, or America is a waste land. They are training people to get used to scarcity through these narratives because the writing is on the wall that the middle class won't be around that much in the coming decades. I think we all need to be resistant to that narrative and remember that we all have the power to make daily choices which inform a different kind of future, a better one.

I really like foreign film because it operates outside of the American box. You get to explore different kinds of realities without worrying about if someone is trying to program you.
 
Harshaw said:
What could you have possibly seen since November which indicates a more "conservative" edge to Hollywood?
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New? Off the top of my head?

Drama:
There's Billions. The Crown. Luke Cage. And though I haven't seen it I'm pretty sure MacGyver is conservative... Also the entire Chicago franchise is pretty politically neutral. There's more shows I haven't seen too, like Shooter and The Americans (that's not very new though)
Comedy:
The Great Indoors- Main character constantly makes fun of his millennial co-workers. Man With a Plan - Particularly has grandpa yelling at Obama for everything wrong in his life.
Sci-Fi:
The Expanse and Humans. These are pretty conservative futuristic outlooks compared to their counterparts Star Trek and Westworld.

I don't think this list would have been this long four years ago.
 
I watched the episode and was a little disappointed by the high emphasis on the issue and the one sided handling. Unfortunate. I don't mind shows with "liberal" themes but that episode seemed to verve off into propaganda and not entertainment.
 
If conservatives and other right wing people want to change Hollywood then they need to watching their shows and movies.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will give you credit for a novel attempt to derail the point I made and totally ignore the gist of the thread in an effort to try to divert away from what ABC often does
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In one thing he is right, though. At least in English there are programs from all over the world to balance one's opinions with. In mid sized non English speaking and poor countries they only have the local language to rely on. This can lead to an exceedingly homogeneous and often dangerously slanted view on many topics aspects of the world.
 
Well, all I can do is ask the eternal question:

Does art imitate life, or does life imitate art?

I've always believed the former, despite Turtle's seemingly claims here to the latter, so I think that's what's at play here.

Those shows & plots are what they are, because they sell.
 
Chomsky said:
Those shows & plots are what they are, because they sell.
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This. I think people seeing grand political themes across the industry are reading a lot more in to entertainment shows than is actually there, not least because one of the things that will make a show successful is that different viewers are able to take a whole range of morals and messages from them. There are definitely socio-political influences and motives behind much of what creators and writers will do but I think they will generally be much more diverse and balanced than is being implied here, certainly among those shows which succeed.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will give you credit for a novel attempt to derail the point I made and totally ignore the gist of the thread in an effort to try to divert away from what ABC often does
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No derailment. It speaks directly to the issue you raised. The bottom line is that shows include those liberal themes because they are popular.

There is no left wing conspiracy. You are not a victim of Hollywood.
 
ModerateGOP said:
New? Off the top of my head?

Drama:
There's Billions. The Crown. Luke Cage. And though I haven't seen it I'm pretty sure MacGyver is conservative... Also the entire Chicago franchise is pretty politically neutral. There's more shows I haven't seen too, like Shooter and The Americans (that's not very new though)
Comedy:
The Great Indoors- Main character constantly makes fun of his millennial co-workers. Man With a Plan - Particularly has grandpa yelling at Obama for everything wrong in his life.
Sci-Fi:
The Expanse and Humans. These are pretty conservative futuristic outlooks compared to their counterparts Star Trek and Westworld.

I don't think this list would have been this long four years ago.
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The idea that these shows are "conservative" is . . . questionable at best. And by "questionable," I mean "zzzzzzzt!"

But your larger problem is, they all came into being well before the election. (I mean, Humans is YEARS old. And British.)
 
TurtleDude said:
If you watch the Main stream television shows, and pay attention, you will see that the big three often push the leftwing agenda in shows that are "entertainment". The West wing was a classic example of what was basically a campaign commercial for the Democrat party. Tonight, on "Designated Survivor" the theme is pushing for the worthless feel good nonsense of "Mandatory background checks" for private gun sales. The arguments advanced were the exact same arguments Hillary and Obama advanced even though in this case, the actors at least gave some support to the second amendment-something Hillary never did but which Obama almost always started his arguments in favor of more gun control with.
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Your general point, as I see it, that MSM and Hollywood are active in promoting propaganda favoring one agenda or the other is valid. It is too damn true.

From "24" to "Zero Dark Thirty", our movies and TV are meant to manipulate the public perception, to advance a given agenda. Gun Control issues, War On Terror issues and others are blatantly promoted by Hollywood and TV.
 
Harshaw said:
The idea that these shows are "conservative" is . . . questionable at best. And by "questionable," I mean "zzzzzzzt!"

But your larger problem is, they all came into being well before the election. (I mean, Humans is YEARS old. And British.)
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These are newer shows with conservative elements. If you can't see that I'm not sure what to tell you but just because a show is British doesn't mean it isn't conservative.

Humans deals with what happens to normal people when robots gain consciousness. One of the main characters lost his job to a robot and he has to deal with the fallout...
I see many conservatives complain about how this is going to destroy the economy that they know... So you gotta give better examples as to why you think the shows I listed don't have conservative elements in them, other than you saying I'm wrong.
 
ModerateGOP said:
These are newer shows with conservative elements. If you can't see that I'm not sure what to tell you but just because a show is British doesn't mean it isn't conservative.

Humans deals with what happens to normal people when robots gain consciousness. One of the main characters lost his job to a robot and he has to deal with the fallout...
I see many conservatives complain about how this is going to destroy the economy that they know... So you gotta give better examples as to why you think the shows I listed don't have conservative elements in them, other than you saying I'm wrong.
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OK. One, they're not "conservative." Dick Wolf is a notorious lefty who injects it into all of his shows, including the Chicago shows.

Two, you said this change came "since the election," at least implying it's related, but everything you referenced was around before the election, sometimes *years* before.

Three, you said "Hollywood." Then you listed a British TV show.
 
Harshaw said:
OK. One, they're not "conservative." Dick Wolf is a notorious lefty who injects it into all of his shows, including the Chicago shows.

Two, you said this change came "since the election," at least implying it's related, but everything you referenced was around before the election, sometimes *years* before.

Three, you said "Hollywood." Then you listed a British TV show.
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Lolz. That's not disproving my examples.

Point to examples in the shows I listed that speaks to your claims. If you actually watch them this shouldn't be too hard but, still there are a heck of a lot of conservative elements to these shows and trump has been running for president for at least two years before November...
 
Northern Light said:
I agree that the media pushes these agendas, but it may not be deliberately in the sense that it's a liberal conspiracy. Consider that a lot of media is based out of Hollywood which is socially more liberal. The people running Hollywood will naturally insert their values into the work. Also consider that the majority of the U.S. lives in major urban areas which tend to be more liberal, so they have to pitch the content to a certain audience. I think ratings and money are therefore the driving force behind this, and not really ideology.

One thing that really bugs me about Hollywood in general, whether it's movies with a more conservative or liberal slant, is that they are subtlety teaching the public what to expect of the future. Right now the theme seems to be a dismal future, where everyone is impoverished, or America is a waste land. They are training people to get used to scarcity through these narratives because the writing is on the wall that the middle class won't be around that much in the coming decades. I think we all need to be resistant to that narrative and remember that we all have the power to make daily choices which inform a different kind of future, a better one.

I really like foreign film because it operates outside of the American box. You get to explore different kinds of realities without worrying about if someone is trying to program you.
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I think the root cause is a lot of USA/CIA funding in Hollywood. Movies and series get funded with subtle CIA adjustments to the story line. Glorify war. Glorify the CIA. USA uber alles. Disney's CIA connections were revealed after his death. You are definitely right about the "American Box." The same happens in the MSM by only printing one side of a story when two sides are equally believable i.e., White Helmets and the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. These are both propaganda mouthpieces for the Al Qeda in Syria and indirectly funded by CIA connected money, and in the current dialectic they have become the witnesses to Sarin gassing in Syria, while having been found promoting many false flag events in recent history. These two groups are part of the terror network, not humanitarians, and not believable. A perfect of example of media bias by only revealing one side of the issue. Reporters are supposed to dig out the truth, not push the "narrative."
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