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MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual Americans)

Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Uh, the trend in Gallup has shown Ind greater than Dem greater than GOP, a trend in place since '06...and reflected in the Pew data.

LOL. You don't think the Dem/GOP skew is more important to the outcome?

Oh...and this:

This survey uses statistical weighting procedures to account for deviations in the survey
sample from known population characteristics, which helps correct for differential survey
participation and random variation in samples. The overall adult sample is weighted to
recent Census data using a sample balancing procedure to match the demographic makeup of
the population by region, gender, age, education and race. Margins of sampling error for
this survey are not adjusted for design effect.

Beware polls that don't specifically spell out how they are weighting for political biases when the poll is specifically about political opinions. In this case they only mention non-political characteristics and make no mention of what their assumed political affiliation split was.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Uh, the poll is a reflection of the US populace FROM A DEMOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT which is what you objected to, further it is weighed (and little of that was required BECAUSE OF the posted distribution) to Census numbers. You are not RATIONALLY rejecting the data, you don't even understand the the data or methodology.

LOL!! Yeah...that always works: "you don't even understand the the data or methodology". Whatever it takes to ignore the fact that polls are manipulated...bogus.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

LOL. You don't think the Dem/GOP skew is more important to the outcome?
You don't understand how weighting results works in stats? (inflection rising)



Beware polls that don't specifically spell out how they are weighting for political biases when the poll is specifically about political opinions.
I'm sure if you explore Quinnipiac's site...or inquire...you will receive more than you can comprehend.
In this case they only mention non-political characteristics and make no mention of what their assumed political split was.
They aren't "assuming", and what they use to weigh with was spelled out, yer just not reading.
 
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Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

LOL!! Yeah...that always works: "you don't even understand the the data or methodology". Whatever it takes to ignore the fact that polls are manipulated...bogus.
"the nerds make me mad!"
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

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On nearly every issue, more Americans oppose Trump's agenda than support it


By Philip Bump March 8 at 2:51 PM

Among the many questionable claims that have come from the White House over the past month and a half, one of the most questionable came from an unexpected source: Chief of Staff Reince Priebus. Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference last month, Priebus asserted that the policies President Trump had outlined to that point met with the approval of 80 percent of the American public. We considered that claim and determined it to be true — if you considered only Republicans to be Americans.

An expansive new poll from Quinnipiac University allows us to look at the question more closely. The pollsters gauged public opinion on a broad range of issues that have already emerged from the Trump White House — policy on Russia, transgender school bathroom use, deportations. On only one did more people agree with Trump’s position than oppose it.

Here is the data, broken out by party. In those situations where support or opposition tops 50 percent, the bars are slightly darker in color.

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(In most cases, the question posed by the pollster was whether Trump should or should not take an action. The question on policy toward Russia was approve/disapprove. “Support” for Trump’s position on transgender students is to oppose bathroom choice. On deportation, the question was whether Trump was being too aggressive; “support” for Trump in this case was a combination of “acting appropriately” and “not aggressive enough.” Gaps in the bars indicate those responding who weren’t sure of their opinion.)

more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._term=.40d03dbb2f64&wpisrc=nl_politics&wpmm=1

Quinnipiac National Poll, 3/8/17

:mrgreen:

I still cannot believe we have enough idiots in this country that the buffoon could become president. He's not even qualified to be dog catcher and lacks the temperament to be a crossing guard.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

The 'polls' on November 7th said "Hillary Wins in a Landslide!"

One would think you had learned your lesson by now about 'polls'.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

You don't understand how weighting results works in stats? (inflection rising)

I do understand, but I am beginning to think you don't.

I'm sure if you explore Quinnipiac's site...or inquire...you will receive more than you can comprehend.They aren't "assuming", and what they use to weigh with was spelled out, yer just not reading.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with the word "assume" as well. In this case it means "to take as granted or true", which I would assume they had done with their political affiliation data before weighting their results by them. Are you saying they didn't?

Also, my point is that you are so unsure about statistics that you offered as proof of political weighting a blurb from the poll that doesn't even talk about the weighting you assumed they used.

Is the provided affiliation data in the cross tabs the raw data, or is that how they skewed the raw data?
 
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I do understand, but I am beginning to think you don't.
Unsubstantiated opinion.



I think you need to familiarize yourself with the word "assume" as well. In this case it means "to take as granted or true which I would assume they had done with their political affiliation data before weighting their results by them. Are you saying they didn't?
Uh, yer changing the subject, you said:

make no mention of what their assumed political affiliation split was

ergo, yer the one say'in they did not.

Also, my point is that you are so unsure about statistics that you offered as proof of political weighting a blurb from the poll that doesn't even talk about the weighting you assumed they used.
Their stating they weigh the results with Census data...is NOT "talking" about the methodology of the weighing? Yer sure 'bout that?

Is the provided affiliation data in the cross tabs the raw data, or is that how they skewed the raw data?
Uh, it clearly says:

PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING - Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

The results posted from that pdf are their "raw" data from respondents. thats why they call it "Sample and Methodology detail".
 
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Unsubstantiated opinion.

LOL! What is it with the you guys today with calling people on "unsubstantiated opinion" in response to your unsubstantiated opinions.

Did you guiys break all of your mirrors after the Maddow show last night?



Uh, yer changing the subject, you said:

make no mention of what their assumed political affiliation split was

ergo, yer the one say'in they did not.

I said they made no mention, true, and they didn't. They showed a split, but didn't say anything about the split that they actually used. Was the split shown the raw data or the adjusted split they used? Normally you will see the raw data and how it was weighted. I have seen nothing of how it was weighted which would constitute the split they actually used.


Their stating they weigh the results with Census data...is NOT "talking" about the methodology of the weighing? Yer sure 'bout that?

Census data does not include party affiliation so comments on census weighting says nothing about party affiliation weighting.

Uh, it clearly says:

PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING - Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

The results posted from that pdf are their "raw" data from respondents. thats why they call it "Sample and Methodology detail".

How can you be so willfully dense? Yes, they gathered RAW data on the political affiliation of the respondents the same way they gathered race and gender demographics of the respondents. The weighted race and gender against census data, but what did they weigh political affiliation against and what was the split they used for weighting. They didn't provide that.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

LOL! What is it with the (sic) you guys today with calling people on "unsubstantiated opinion" in response to your unsubstantiated opinions.
You were not responding to an opinion, you responded to a QUESTION.

Did you guiys (sic) break all of your mirrors after the Maddow show last night?
Uh...what?





I said they made no mention, true, and they didn't.
False, they made mention of what data source they use for weighing to get their results.
They showed a split, but didn't say anything about the split that they actually used.
Now you are changing the topic again, they showed THEIR OWN "RAW" RESULTS, FFS, yer so confused.
Was the split shown the raw data or the adjusted split they used?
Already answered, twice....and you complain I don't understand....wow.
Normally you will see the raw data
You saw the raw data.
and how it was weighted.
They said how it is weighted.
I have seen nothing of how it was weighted
False.
which would constitute the split they actually used.
What they actually used was their data....and weighed it with Census data. Again, you and yer ilk were disputing the "raw" data as if it did not reflect US demographics. It was very close.



Census data does not include party affiliation so comments on census weighting says nothing about party affiliation weighting.How can you be so willfully dense? Yes, they gathered RAW data on the political affiliation of the respondents the same way they gathered race and gender demographics of the respondents. The weighted race and gender against census data, but what did they weigh political affiliation against and what was the split they used for weighting. They didn't provide that.
Contact pollinginstitute@quinnipiac.edu for additional information or call 203-582-5201.
 
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What they actually used was their data....and weighed it with Census data. Again, you and yer ilk were disputing the "raw" data as if it did not reflect US demographics. It was very close.

No, that is not what they did. What they did to weight the political affiliation was not detailed and, again, they didn't use census data to weight political affiliation because the census doesn't take political affiliation data.

And "very close" isn't even a concept in statistical weighting in the first place. If you are weighting to a given demographic statistic you will always, in theory, wind up with identical weighted distribution compared to demographic data. What they didn't say was whether that distribution was the raw split or the weighted split. It makes a difference. And you only show your ignorance by claiming that it was "very close" because the independent numbers were similar. Are you saying that Quinnipiac used Pew affiliation data?
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America


That's hilarious. You mean Obama took away the Border Patrols "Illegal Crossing Counter"?

That's Yuge news, indeed! It's "Bigly"...

That percentage claims makes about as much sense as the inauguration balderdash that's flowed from Trump and his band of phony game changers.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

I've sworn off national polls about Trump done by the usual suspects. They can't be trusted.

Of course you did...good man!

Trump usurped your critical thinking skills. And he does it almost psychically. That's exactly what he wants you to do. Yeaaa! Another Trump Victory...
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

That's hilarious. You mean Obama took away the Border Patrols "Illegal Crossing Counter"?

That's Yuge news, indeed! It's "Bigly"...

That percentage claims makes about as much sense as the inauguration balderdash that's flowed from Trump and his band of phony game changers.

Put your big boy pants on and prove these reports wrong.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Put your big boy pants on and prove these reports wrong.

That's exactly the response I expected. Every day since Trump has been in office, actually prior, he has 60,000,000 people who have come up with justifying every lunatic claim he or members of his staff, admin can spew out. Notice I said, "justify". His supporters don't prove anything that everybody else in the world seems to know has no basis in fact.

So there's no need to prove the report, every report that comes out that Trump doesn't like simply says, "Not true!" And you buy it. No proof needed. This report comes out and it's a claim to somehow reflect some favorable action by Trump made something happen, makes it true in the eyes of his supporters. And you buy it. If I could establish 100% proof, you would reject it...if Trump denies it. Trump is bullet proof. Hey, and since I'm here, I'm sure you believed that prior to the inauguration that a conspiracy was being cooked up to deceive the American public about the attendance.

Un****ing believablle.

When Trump starts acting like a president, stops with the deception and lying, then I might feel some obligation to backup any disagreements that I express having regarding his actions, his behaviors. He sure as hell won't backup anything. But that's okay, right?
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

That's exactly the response I expected. Every day since Trump has been in office, actually prior, he has 60,000,000 people who have come up with justifying every lunatic claim he or members of his staff, admin can spew out. Notice I said, "justify". His supporters don't prove anything that everybody else in the world seems to know has no basis in fact.

So there's no need to prove the report, every report that comes out that Trump doesn't like simply says, "Not true!" And you buy it. No proof needed. This report comes out and it's a claim to somehow reflect some favorable action by Trump made something happen, makes it true in the eyes of his supporters. And you buy it. If I could establish 100% proof, you would reject it...if Trump denies it. Trump is bullet proof. Hey, and since I'm here, I'm sure you believed that prior to the inauguration that a conspiracy was being cooked up to deceive the American public about the attendance.

Un****ing believablle.

When Trump starts acting like a president, stops with the deception and lying, then I might feel some obligation to backup any disagreements that I express having regarding his actions, his behaviors. He sure as hell won't backup anything. But that's okay, right?

Looks like you're having a breakdown.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Living with the consequences of not voting is absolutely correct. However, not voting STILL doesn't mean you voted FOR someone. It's the same **** some folks like to use when you vote third party.

The outcome is the same. You can say you voted for the winner if you did not vote for someone else.

By voting and losing you can at least comfort yourself that you made the effort.

By not voting at all you can go home and stop attacking starbucks. People are trying to work.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Not a breakdown - a breakup...

Still stage 2 of grief. Hold on man. You can get there.

I am rooting for you.
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

I've sworn off national polls about Trump done by the usual suspects. They can't be trusted.

Siting in the middle of a shrinking circle...
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Looks like you're having a breakdown.

Really. He should just sit quietly, pick a channel, fold his hands and chill. It's all being taken care of.







BOOM!
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

The outcome is the same. You can say you voted for the winner if you did not vote for someone else.

By voting and losing you can at least comfort yourself that you made the effort.

By not voting at all you can go home and stop attacking starbucks. People are trying to work.

Nothing you have said refutes anything I've said. Come back when you actually have something of substance.
 
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Still stage 2 of grief. Hold on man. You can get there.

I am rooting for you.

The election was months ago. Obama is a retired civil servant. Hillary is a retired harpy. Your process has put Cheeto Mussolini front-and-center with a target pinned to him. Get used to it. Trump is going to get shat upon here as long as he lasts (which might be less than four years).
Remind me, when is the mid-term election? Is your boy lining things up, doing right by the Republican Party?
 
Re: MORE FAKE NEWS: The Trump Regime Is Bigly Popular! (Unless You Ask Actual America

Still stage 2 of grief. Hold on man. You can get there.

I am rooting for you.

I'm set for life, I'm not grieving for myself...

I'm grieving and rooting for you...
 
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