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Who really supports Trump?

Get control of run away spending [on BS programs], get control of illegal immigration, lower taxes, audit the FED. etc.

How do you feel about the new spending program in "RINOcare", which gives less money in block grants than states are getting in Medicaid expansion but won't be phased in until after the 2018 elections?

GOP lawmakers from the right and left of trumpcare aren't too impressed with trumpcare, which they are calling DOA .
 
Trump was able to capitalize on a variety of issues:

Simply by being on the Republican ticket ensures he got the majority of Pro-Life and Pro-Gun people.

The wall and stance on immigration catches the Ann Coulter like people.

People viewed Clinton as the establishment and a continuation of Obama's policies so he picks up those that wanted a change.

The people that were screwed over by the ACA.

People that believed NAFTA caused them to lose their jobs and voted him due to Hillary supporting it.

There are some that simply voted for him because he wasn't politically correct and they hated the PC and SJW crowd. I think he lost more votes due to this than brought in though.

Some likely voted him simply due to his celebrity status and name recognition.

There are some that are simply sick of seeing the same families getting into positions of power. (Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, etc)

There are some that believe the government should be ran as a business and saw a business person vs a politician.

Some voted simply to watch it burn.

I have heard several more reasons, but those are the most common.

While there are many that you could classify as actual "Trump Supporters", I still believe a large portion of the people that voted him were doing so on the basis that he wasn't Clinton.
 
Off the cuff I spoke with a couple clients who voted for Trump. Here is what they told me:

They feel disenfranchised, work in modest paying jobs, no education beyond high school. They told me what they expect from the prez were better paying jobs. They did not care about the Russian issue or anything else really. Neither seemed to grasp the concept of a real democracy. One even said if Trump wanted to become president for life that was fine with him. It seems his sole concern was for a high paying job.

Trump isn't going to bring back high paying low skilled obs. No one will. He might bring back enough work though that highly skilled, well educated people might make more money though. At least, that is the part I am hoping will result from his efforts. But, I sort of doubt that he'll do that either.
 
Many Trump supporters with whom I've traded posts on this board are mostly angry. They get angry with me when I point out obvious Trump lies. They get angry with me if I dare to question suspicious events, such as when folks associated with Trump obscure or lie about their contacts with Russian dignitaries. I've been called, "delusional" and "pitiful", "an elitist" and a "snowflake" several times (it doesn't bother me).

I feel it all comes down to anger with anyone who doesn't fully support Trump.
 
The Trump Coalition is very broad, the tent very big, with lots of room in it for converts.

You might look into getting a smaller tent. ... you know, to balance the budget. There is no point in heating space no one is in.
 
You might look into getting a smaller tent. ... you know, to balance the budget. There is no point in heating space no one is in.

Trump says no, Go big or Go home.
 
Get control of run away spending [on BS programs], get control of illegal immigration, lower taxes, audit the FED. etc.

Run away spending???? Like expanding military spending, building a superfluous wall at the cost of $20B, grand infrastructure plans all while offering significant tax cuts. Sorry pal, but those numbers don't add up. If you were looking for Trump to be fiscally responsible, you were sold a bill of goods.
 
Many Trump supporters with whom I've traded posts on this board are mostly angry. They get angry with me when I point out obvious Trump lies. They get angry with me if I dare to question suspicious events, such as when folks associated with Trump obscure or lie about their contacts with Russian dignitaries. I've been called, "delusional" and "pitiful", "an elitist" and a "snowflake" several times (it doesn't bother me).

I feel it all comes down to anger with anyone who doesn't fully support Trump.

I think most of that anger is directed more to the reaction many on the right have received due to Trump's election. When all you hear is how racist or stupid you are for voting for someone it will only provoke an angry response. You may not have engaged in that type of rhetoric but many on the left have and it is simply a natural reaction to what they likely feel as persecution.

I didn't even vote for Trump, but due to the fact that I align politically on the right somewhere between Libertarian/Classical Liberal/Conservative, I am cast into the "Trump Supporter" bucket as well.
 
I think most of that anger is directed more to the reaction many on the right have received due to Trump's election. When all you hear is how racist or stupid you are for voting for someone it will only provoke an angry response. You may not have engaged in that type of rhetoric but many on the left have and it is simply a natural reaction to what they likely feel as persecution.

I didn't even vote for Trump, but due to the fact that I align politically on the right somewhere between Libertarian/Classical Liberal/Conservative, I am cast into the "Trump Supporter" bucket as well.

I've never called anyone racist or stupid for voting for Trump. I have been subject to scorn for simply pointing out things I feel are untruths, or suspicious behavior on the part of Trump. It's like I can't dare to question what I feel is wrong or suspicious. I feel I've been pretty good lately about depersonalizing the anger.
 
I've never called anyone racist or stupid for voting for Trump. I have been subject to scorn for simply pointing out things I feel are untruths, or suspicious behavior on the part of Trump. It's like I can't dare to question what I feel is wrong or suspicious. I feel I've been pretty good lately about depersonalizing the anger.

I wasn't accusing you of it, and even stated that you may have not engaged in it yourself. I was merely stating where that anger is coming from. I'm not even saying they are correct in taking their anger out on you or others. I can understand their point of view and see why they are so quick to lash out at even the smallest criticism, I think it is counter productive but I realize why they feel the need to do it.
 
I wasn't accusing you of it, and even stated that you may have not engaged in it yourself. I was merely stating where that anger is coming from. I'm not even saying they are correct in taking their anger out on you or others. I can understand their point of view and see why they are so quick to lash out at even the smallest criticism, I think it is counter productive but I realize why they feel the need to do it.

I didn't feel you were accusing me of anything. I wish us all well. Beddie bye time for me.
 
One group of people that voted for Trump that often gets doesn't get mentioned much is the straight ticket GOP voters. These are the men and women who voted for McCain, Bush, Romney, etc, and would have voted for ANY of the GOP candidates, including Trump. They aren't exactly big fans of Trump, but because he had an R next to his name, he was their guy.
 
One group of people that voted for Trump that often gets doesn't get mentioned much is the straight ticket GOP voters. These are the men and women who voted for McCain, Bush, Romney, etc, and would have voted for ANY of the GOP candidates, including Trump. They aren't exactly big fans of Trump, but because he had an R next to his name, he was their guy.

Most of the time those are either Pro-Gun or Pro-Life people. As long as the 2 parties continue to hold those positions I doubt that will ever change. Most of the people that I know like that (myself included to an extent) either voted Trump, Gary Johnson, or in many cases refused to vote altogether rather than vote Clinton.
 
they have nothing to lose.


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Most of us have nothing to lose to try something other than the parade of professional lifelong corrupt politicians that somehow occupy positions of authority.
His biggest appeal may be...He is not them. The corrupt establishment, media, judiciary, liberals/democrats/republicans have had enough time to do whatever it is they want to do and the result is a large mess.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-exhaustion-of-american-liberalism-1488751826?mod=e2two

By Shelby Steele

The recent flurry of marches, demonstrations and even riots, along with the Democratic Party’s spiteful reaction to the Trump presidency, exposes what modern liberalism has become: a politics shrouded in pathos. Unlike the civil-rights movement of the 1950s and ’60s, when protesters wore their Sunday best and carried themselves with heroic dignity, today’s liberal marches are marked by incoherence and downright lunacy—hats designed to evoke sexual organs, poems that scream in anger yet have no point to make, and an hysterical anti-Americanism.

All this suggests lostness, the end of something rather than the beginning. What is ending?

America, since the ’60s, has lived through what might be called an age of white guilt. We may still be in this age, but the Trump election suggests an exhaustion with the idea of white guilt, and with the drama of culpability, innocence and correctness in which it mires us.

White guilt is not actual guilt. Surely most whites are not assailed in the night by feelings of responsibility for America’s historical mistreatment of minorities. Moreover, all the actual guilt in the world would never be enough to support the hegemonic power that the mere pretense of guilt has exercised in American life for the last half-century.

White guilt is not angst over injustices suffered by others; it is the terror of being stigmatized with America’s old bigotries—racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia. To be stigmatized as a fellow traveler with any of these bigotries is to be utterly stripped of moral authority and made into a pariah. The terror of this, of having “no name in the street” as the Bible puts it, pressures whites to act guiltily even when they feel no actual guilt. White guilt is a mock guilt, a pretense of real guilt, a shallow etiquette of empathy, pity and regret.

It is also the heart and soul of contemporary liberalism. This liberalism is the politics given to us by white guilt, and it shares white guilt’s central corruption. It is not real liberalism, in the classic sense. It is a mock liberalism. Freedom is not its raison d’être; moral authority is.

When America became stigmatized in the ’60s as racist, sexist and militaristic, it wanted moral authority above all else. Subsequently the American left reconstituted itself as the keeper of America’s moral legitimacy. (Conservatism, focused on freedom and wealth, had little moral clout.) From that followed today’s markers of white guilt—political correctness, identity politics, environmental orthodoxy, the diversity cult and so on.

This was the circumstance in which innocence of America’s bigotries and dissociation from the American past became a currency of hardcore political power. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, good liberals both, pursued power by offering their candidacies as opportunities for Americans to document their innocence of the nation’s past. “I had to vote for Obama,” a rock-ribbed Republican said to me. “I couldn’t tell my grandson that I didn’t vote for the first black president.”

For this man liberalism was a moral vaccine that immunized him against stigmatization. For Mr. Obama it was raw political power in the real world, enough to lift him—unknown and untested—into the presidency. But for Mrs. Clinton, liberalism was not enough. The white guilt that lifted Mr. Obama did not carry her into office—even though her opponent was soundly stigmatized as an iconic racist and sexist.

Perhaps the Obama presidency was the culmination of the age of white guilt, so that this guiltiness has entered its denouement. There are so many public moments now in which liberalism’s old weapon of stigmatization shoots blanks—Elizabeth Warren in the Senate reading a 30-year-old letter by Coretta Scott King, hoping to stop Jeff Sessions’s appointment as attorney general. There it was with deadly predictability: a white liberal stealing moral authority from a black heroine in order to stigmatize a white male as racist. When Ms. Warren was finally told to sit, there was real mortification behind her glaring eyes.
.......and so on. links are above. An interesting take.
 
How do you feel about the new spending program in "RINOcare", which gives less money in block grants than states are getting in Medicaid expansion but won't be phased in until after the 2018 elections?

GOP lawmakers from the right and left of trumpcare aren't too impressed with trumpcare, which they are calling DOA .

It's actually RyanCare and it's not a very good program IMO.

This is about why we voted for Trump...right?
 
Run away spending???? Like expanding military spending, building a superfluous wall at the cost of $20B, grand infrastructure plans all while offering significant tax cuts. Sorry pal, but those numbers don't add up. If you were looking for Trump to be fiscally responsible, you were sold a bill of goods.

Notice I said "BS programs". I'm fine with spending on things we actually need.
 
Are you the Dr. Phil of political dysfunction? How the Hell did you get "they do not understand real democracy" out of that?

The post you are responding to included the following line:
"One even said if Trump wanted to become president for life that was fine with him."

Does that sentiment suggest someone who understands real democracy to you?
 

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Most of us have nothing to lose to try something other than the parade of professional lifelong corrupt politicians that somehow occupy positions of authority.
His biggest appeal may be...He is not them. The corrupt establishment, media, judiciary, liberals/democrats/republicans have had enough time to do whatever it is they want to do and the result is a large mess.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-exhaustion-of-american-liberalism-1488751826?mod=e2two

.......and so on. links are above. An interesting take.

Sadly we have a lot more to lose than many people want to believe.

I think all of us fall victim to a bias in which we assume the rest of the country is like where we live. But that's not at all true.

One lesson I took out of the election was that places which voted for Trump were much different from the places that didn't. Map out the election results by land mass and you see an overwhelming amount of red. Map it out by economic output and you see the opposite. 84% of the counties voted for Trump, but they only have 35% of the US GDP. That means the average county which voted for Clinton has about ~10x, but only ~6x the population.

I haven't seen anyone else bother to calculate it, but it means that people living in Clinton counties are 60% more productive than people living in Trump counties. 60%!!!! That is a ridiculous discrepancy. Imagine getting a 60% raise. Think how much differently you'd feel about things.

So yeah, all politicians lie. And all politicians make promises they can't keep. But places with local Democratic control are doing much much better than places with solid GOP control. There are a lot of reasons, including structural ones. But places in which the government invests in education and infrastructure are doing pretty well. Places in which tax cuts "starved the beast" are being overrun with meth and heroin epidemics.

One last thing, it's not white guilt.. at least not entirely. The effect of automation and technology means that the real competition moving forward isn't between the average American and the average person from another country. When one person can disrupt billion dollar industries, it's the best and the brightest vs the best and the brightest. (just one example, the going rate for an aquihire of self driving car experts is 10M per person, and that's not a typo) When talent is that valuable we can't afford to waste the potential minds in the inner cities or rural areas. Other countries are doing a far better job and the headstart we have in wealth and technology is fading fast (if it's not already gone).

Everyone is important. You can't outsource mechanics, carpenters, service, and other skilled labor. It takes 20 years to see it, but teachers make a gigantic impact on the future. And there is a huge support structure necessary to support and realize these new ideas. And if we don't lead the way, someone else will. If you think it's bad living in a country with illegal immigrants, imagine what its like to live in a country where they come from. We all have a lot to lose because our parents and grand parents gave us more than we know.
 
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There is something wildly unacknowledged in this thread. Two of the economic issues that Trump campaigned on were illegal immigration and free trade. Concerns about these two issues were not just dismissed prior to this election they were derided and ridiculed.

The immigration issue ensures that wages remain low because a constant influx of low cost labor depresses wages artificially. I say artificially because the labor source isn't legal.
The free trade issue ensures low cost goods but costs an enormous amount of US jobs. The discussion should come along the lines of is saving X amount of money on these goods worth losing this amount of jobs or wages?

I am not saying Trump has the solutions to these problems, I am positive he does not. But he was the only one addressing the problems legitimately! You can't treat genuine voter concerns as bigotry or deride them for having those concerns and expect to win elections. Trump was acknowledging problems no one else in the body politic was even willing to discuss as problems, they were accepted as necessary evils, because the establishment on both sides of the aisle were getting something they wanted, ignoring the damage being done to the middle class.
 
Off the cuff I spoke with a couple clients who voted for Trump. Here is what they told me:

They feel disenfranchised, work in modest paying jobs, no education beyond high school. They told me what they expect from the prez were better paying jobs. They did not care about the Russian issue or anything else really. Neither seemed to grasp the concept of a real democracy. One even said if Trump wanted to become president for life that was fine with him. It seems his sole concern was for a high paying job.

Are you in the trash business by chance ? Are you enjoying democratic corruption ? How about all the deception of the democratic party ? How about Obama's shadow government leaking classified intel ? Surely you admire the spying on Americans by the Obama administration ? Didn't you find it humorous what Hillary and CNN did to poor Bernie ? Where you wondering if Hillary needed more WH furniture to ROB ? I guess the democrats could care less Obama whispered to the RUSSIANS he will do MORE after the 2012 elections that was overheard of that pesky HOT MIC ? Or when Hillary sold all that uranium to the RUSSIANS and secured BILLIONS in the Clinton Fraud Foundation ? :roll:
 
For some, comfort > freedom. You would be amazed what many "patriots" would tolerate, for money.

I hope you get the kind of freedom that Hillary offered one day.
 
Notice I said "BS programs". I'm fine with spending on things we actually need.

You may think that they are BS programs due to the headline news titles, but do you really understand what the programs are and what they do beyond the hyperbolic headlines?
 
The post you are responding to included the following line:
"One even said if Trump wanted to become president for life that was fine with him."

Does that sentiment suggest someone who understands real democracy to you?

First of all our government is not a "real" democracy. Maybe you need to grasp that before you cast doubt.
 
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