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Trump 4, Politifact 1

KLATTU said:
Trump 5 - Politifact 1

Politifact Says Trump Is Right But Says He's 'Mostly False' | The Daily Caller

How embarassing can they get.
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Umm, they were right. Did you even read the Politifact article?

But, experts say, people shouldn’t read much into the numbers. Nor should Trump be popping champagne.

"Considering that Trump hasn’t enacted any fiscal legislation, it’s a bit of a stretch for him to take credit for any changes in debt levels," Dan Mitchell, a libertarian economist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, told us.

"Debt levels go up and down in the short run based on independent factors such as quarterly tax payments and predetermined expenditure patterns," he said.
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Why Donald Trump's tweet about national debt decrease in his first month is highly misleading | PolitiFact


Trump was clearly suggesting reporting should note his Presidency was responsible for the drop in the National Debt and that's just silly. As Politifact noted, in numerous ways, Trump hasn't had any policies enacted which would allow him to claim responsibility. So the numbers Trump wants reported are numbers based on policies enacted under Bush (2009) and policies enacted under Obama (2017)...but he seemingly wants to take credit for the numbers under Obama.

That's why it is mostly false. Not because of the base numbers, but because of the meaning behind them and the credit President Trump is trying to take.

You REALLY ought to stop reading biased sites.

Politifact: 5, Klattu's sources: -1 (since one of your sources disproved your own position)
 
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Slyfox696 said:
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Trump was clearly suggesting reporting should note his Presidency was responsible for the drop in the National Debt a)
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There you go again. Reading minds .


Tsk. Tsk.

It's the same old story. Somebody says something. Politifact then sets up the strawman by telling us what he or she was 'implying' and then rates the strawman.
 
KLATTU said:
There you go again. Reading minds.
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I'm not reading minds, I'm using context. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Trump regularly uses his Twitter account to promote his political agenda. Do you honestly believe there's a chance he tweeted that because he just wanted to provide some general information? Of course not, it was about throwing more red meat to this base and he got a two-fer out of it. He got to talk (misleadingly) about debt and criticize the media.

It was political, I don't have to read minds to know that. And you know I'm right.

Politifact then sets up the strawman
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There was no strawman. You're almost as bad at using fallacies as the other poster.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Umm, they were right. Did you even read the Politifact article?
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What does it mean to be "right" when the "Truth-O-Meter" ratings are subjective?

KLATTU's pointing out that PolitiFact found what Trump said was accurate, yet gave the statement a "Mostly False" rating. Do you know how PolitiFact defines "Mostly False"? If not, look it up.

Why Donald Trump's tweet about national debt decrease in his first month is highly misleading | PolitiFact
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PolitiFact also found it very misleading when Bill Clinton said the economy performs better under Democratic presidents. Care to guess what "Truth-O-Meter" rating Clinton received for his misleading statement?

Trump was clearly suggesting reporting should note his Presidency was responsible for the drop in the National Debt and that's just silly.
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What contextual clues lead you to believe that Trump was "clearly" suggesting that? Nevermind--I know you've got nothing, so don't even bother.

You REALLY ought to stop reading biased sites.
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Funny. You believe there's such a thing as an unbiased site?

An unbiased site with a subjective "Truth-O-Meter." What a marvel!
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not reading minds, I'm using context. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
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It's easy to understand using context to gauge the meaning of a statement. What's hard to understand is using vague context to claim clarity. Unless we give you credit for hyperbole.

Trump regularly uses his Twitter account to promote his political agenda. Do you honestly believe there's a chance he tweeted that because he just wanted to provide some general information? Of course not,
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If put in syllogistic form, you'd be going from the statement that Trump often promotes his political agenda on Twitter to a conclusion based on the idea that Trump always uses Twitter to promote his political agenda. Only if Trump *always* advances his political agenda via Twitter would it follow that there is no chance he was just tweeting out some general information.

That's your gift. Using bad logic, and afterward raising your arms like a champion.

it was about throwing more red meat to this base and he got a two-fer out of it. He got to talk (misleadingly) about debt and criticize the media.

It was political, I don't have to read minds to know that. And you know I'm right.
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Okay, so you were reading minds but in this case you knew even before reading minds? :)

There was no strawman. You're almost as bad at using fallacies as the other poster.
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He just gave you a compliment, KLATTU.

You're good at using fallacies, Flysox.
 
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