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Trump Isn't Lying About The Votes

MrPeanut said:
I fully support an investigation. Voter fraud has been used by the right as a major talking point for years. It is well past time to go ahead and squash it.
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But if the investigation comes up inconclusive, I bet plenty of people still won't accept it then.
 
reinoe said:
Where is the proof that Trump groped dozens of women? Where is the proof that Trump engaged in Golden showers? Where is the proof that Trump wants to put Muslims in concentration camps?

Nobody gets accused of being a liar by the MSM when people spout that nonsense.
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So what you're saying is that the President of the United States is as dishonest as the media. Real golf clap moment there for you I'm sure. :roll:
 
MaggieD said:
Is that the standard the press used with Golden Showers before it was plastered everywhere? The women suing Trump? Hardly.
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So Trump is as dishonest as the media. Wow, you must be proud :doh
 
reinoe said:
Do you have any evidence that Trump is lying? So far nobody has any evidence to refute Trump's statement.
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The burden of proof is on Trump, since he was the one that made the claim.

It's not on us.
 
tres borrachos said:
I look forward to the proof that he lost the popular vote because millions of illegals voted for Clinton.
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Same here but wouldn't that be of variable you-****ting-me dimensions depending on the number?

I just saw something this morning about that old Inauguration attendance matter. For what it's worth ...

CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump’s Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama’s 2009 Inaugural Crowd

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"However, the pictures in the article show the crowd size for Obama when he was speaking during his 2009 inauguration with the crowd from Trump’s inauguration approximately 3 hours before Trump spoke."


CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump's Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama's 2009 Inaugural Crowd
 
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TheGoverness said:
But if the investigation comes up inconclusive, I bet plenty of people still won't accept it then.
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I bet even if it was proven to be completely non existent plenty of people won't accept it. This is such an overused talking point that all I really want is Republican politicians to be forced to go into conspiracy mode when defending it. It probably won't matter to their voters, but they should have to struggle against reality if they want to make broad unproven claims.
 
bubbabgone said:
Same here but wouldn't that be of variable you-****ting-me dimensions depending on the number?

I just saw something this morning about that old Inauguration attendance matter. For what it's worth ...

CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump’s Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama’s 2009 Inaugural Crowd

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CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump's Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama's 2009 Inaugural Crowd
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Unlike Trump, I couldn't care less how many people were at his inauguration, just like I didn't care how many were at Obama's, Bush's, Eisenhower's and Franklin Pierce's.

I am, however, interested in seeing proof of his repeated claim that he lost the popular vote because of millions of illegals voting.
 
reinoe said:
Exactly. I hope the UN comes in and watches our elections just like they did in Iraq to ensure proper fairness.
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That will make sure the next one isn't rigged like this one obviously was.
 
MaggieD said:
It's so amusing to watch the Left lose its little mind over a thorough investigation re voter fraud. Why? It is their side that's ordered recounts due to suspected fraud lately. Thinking of Gore and Florida and Jill Whoever?

Every loyal American should be delighted. Even the crabby left has indicated voter fraud may be happening with absentee ballots. Why would anyone object to a definitive investigation? Instigated by the way, wait for it, THE WINNER?
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I can see Trump making an off the cuff statement like that, but I sure would like to have it in its full context. His critics say there is video of him saying it. I have only seen news stories that SAY he said it but do not put it in any kind of context. He may have said it in a casual way just to give the MSM some harmless ammunition to use--I have suspected he does that just because such statements create impressive hysterical media meltdown and it becomes so ridiculous to sane people, that his approval ratings go up.

At Rasmussen, his approval rating remains at 57% for the second day in a row, there is highest percentage of people who think the country is headed in the right direction in more than 8 years, 54% of Americans approve of the cuts in spending announced and suggested so far, and a whopping 72% agree with Trump's criticism of the Washington establishment and media.

So he has some incentive to dangle red meat in front of the media now and then. :)
 
Praxas said:
What proof does Trump have that over 3 million votes are due to voter fraud?
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The same level of "proof" that every pathological liar has for their absurd claims.
 
Eric7216 said:
Makes sense. Trump should not have stated it that way. He was being Trump again. We need to have an investigation into voting.
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We have had numerous investigations into voting. Is "being Trump again" another way of saying he was yet again showing the symptoms of his pathological lying disorder?
 
Geoist said:
As far as I know, the only confirmed cases of voter fraud we have seen in this election, so far, come from Trump voters. But yeah, let's throw away taxpayer money in this investigation just to feed this clown's ego.
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Yes. "As far as you know". That is the problem, isn't it. Most countries have more stringent voter ID laws but we seem petrified by the idea that politicians will suppress votes if we required, like Canada, voter ID. I don't think that we have any way of knowing whether we have a problem or not. There have been anecdotal cases of voter fraud scattered. It is very easy to get multiple ballots in the mail and no one seems to know if states compare names or even that precincts compare names. I would think the only people opposed to a comprehensive investigation are politicians who are afraid of what may be discovered. We have the technology to have a proper system. And a proper system could also detect voter suppression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws
 
bubbabgone said:
Same here but wouldn't that be of variable you-****ting-me dimensions depending on the number?

I just saw something this morning about that old Inauguration attendance matter. For what it's worth ...

CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump’s Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama’s 2009 Inaugural Crowd

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"However, the pictures in the article show the crowd size for Obama when he was speaking during his 2009 inauguration with the crowd from Trump’s inauguration approximately 3 hours before Trump spoke."


CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump's Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama's 2009 Inaugural Crowd
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Those pictures weren't taken 3 hours before Trump's speech. They were taken during his speech.

For a more detailed look, here:

All of This Space Was Full': A Photographic Fact Check

A closer detail view of a photograph of attendees on the National Mall during the inauguration ceremonies on January 20, 2017, with President Trump visible on several video screens, with caption text from early in his inaugural speech: "joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country".
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But I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll leave it at that.
 
reinoe said:
Do you have any evidence that Trump is lying? So far nobody has any evidence to refute Trump's statement.
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So, is that what is called alternative facts? As there is no evidence he is telling the truth.

You Trumper's! LOL!
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
We have had numerous investigations into voting. Is "being Trump again" another way of saying he was yet again showing the symptoms of his pathological lying disorder?
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Have we had a comprehensive nation-wide investigation?
I am not a psychiatrist so I don't make diagnosis.
 
MrPeanut said:
I bet even if it was proven to be completely non existent plenty of people won't accept it. This is such an overused talking point that all I really want is Republican politicians to be forced to go into conspiracy mode when defending it. It probably won't matter to their voters, but they should have to struggle against reality if they want to make broad unproven claims.
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No problem. Trumpeteers are adept at struggling against reality.
 
Captain America said:
So, is that what is called alternative facts? As there is no evidence he is telling the truth.

You Trumper's! LOL!
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If you call someone a liar then you have to have evidence. Why is the MSM calling Trump a liar if they don't have evidence he's lying?
 
Eric7216 said:
Have we had a comprehensive nation-wide investigation?
I am not a psychiatrist so I don't make diagnosis.
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There's been a ****ton of investigations, a heaping, hopping bowlful done - many by GOPpers trying to prove it (as well as independent investigations). In many court cases and elsewhere. When the results are in, they find when it comes to hard evidence, they are forced to conclude actual voter fraud is...very rare.

Back when the GOP had control of every branch, and highly motivated to prove cases of fraud, pursued it aggressively and with the tools to determine if there was...what were the results?

[h=3]In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud [/h]APRIL 12, 2007 WASHINGTON, — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

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The Justice Department stand is backed by Republican Party and White House officials, including Karl Rove, the president’s chief political adviser. The White House has acknowledged that he relayed Republican complaints to President Bush and the Justice Department that some prosecutors were not attacking voter fraud vigorously. In speeches, Mr. Rove often mentions fraud accusations and warns of tainted elections.
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The Republican National Committee and its state organizations supported the push, repeatedly calling for a crackdown. In what would become a pattern, Republican officials and lawmakers in a number of states, including Florida, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Washington, made accusations of widespread abuse, often involving thousands of votes.
In swing states, including Ohio and Wisconsin, party leaders conducted inquiries to find people who may have voted improperly and prodded officials to act on their findings.
But the party officials and lawmakers were often disappointed. The accusations led to relatively few cases, and a significant number resulted in acquittals."
 
TheGoverness said:
The burden of proof is on Trump, since he was the one that made the claim.

It's not on us.
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So why isn't the MSM saying that "TRUMP ALLEGED THERE WERE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL VOTES"? Why are they calling him a liar if they don't have any evidence that he's lying? They didn't call the women who were making accusations against him liars.
 
reinoe said:
While I don't care one way or another I would like to point out how the media is portraying this...


When Trump was falsely being accused of engaging in golden showers on an Obama bed, they MSM was always sure to use the word "allege", i.e. "it's alleged that Trump engaged in such and such but we don't know if it's true". The MSM didn't call the stories flat out bald faced lies even though that's what most of the junk in that 35 page dossier was.

When dozens of women came forward claiming that Trump had groped them, the MSM didn't accuse them of being liars even though there was no evidence of their claims. The MSM certainly weren't calling those women who accused Trump of groping them as liars even though there was no proof. Instead they always used the word "alleged". Where are these women now btw? Where's the follow-up story to that?


When Trump says that there were millions of illegal votes, that whole "alleged" goes out the window and are quick to say it's a lie. Do they have any evidence disproving Trump's statements that I may have missed out on? We already know that in Detroit there were fraudulent votes so who's to say that Trump's claims are a lie? At worst they're unproven unless I've missed something. Last time I checked there wasn't a recount in California unless I missed something.

Did I miss something? Has there been a nationwide audit or recount of the votes that disproves Trump's statements?
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Yes..And as far as the "golden Showers" Trump himself will verify that to be true or not by the way he treats Putin. If he lifts the Russian sanctions we will know why at least.
 
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