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Trump Isn't Lying About The Votes

tres borrachos said:
I look forward to the proof that he lost the popular vote because millions of illegals voted for Clinton.
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Of course, he has none . This is just Trump showing how severely damage he is to produce his fragile mental state and narcissistic personality disorder.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM - 5, Cluster B) for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” by The American Psychiatric Association (APA)

Here, according to The APA, are the 9 criteria for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”. If an individual has 5 out of the 9 they have a confirmed diagnosis of this illness. Many individuals have “traits” of narcissism but only about 1% of the population has clinical NPD.

“Summary : A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement
6. Is interpersonally exploitative
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.”

What does it mean if someone does have NPD?

If someone does have “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” they can, indeed, wake up, see a Tweet or a news report from a foreign leader criticizing him, mocking him, calling him “weak” or threatening his ego in any way and order some kind of impulsive, vindictive, punishing, immediate response that could include an unhinged order to attack that foreign leader or foreign country with military force, even including the authorization of nuclear weapons.

It is extremely likely that there would be some kind of impulsive, angry diplomatic response.

Because someone afflicted with this incurable and progressive “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” simply can’t help himself.
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If the man is not mentally ill - he is severely mentally disturbed. I will leave it to the professionals to cite the differences.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's a technicality, when a liar truly believes his lie at the time of lying, is it a lie?
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It's not a technicality, it's definition. A lie is told purposefully to deceive someone.

Being wrong is not lying
 
EvaPeron said:
Does no one remember the story in California where the 90 something year old woman received a bundle of mail in ballots with her address on them and all with different names on them? What do you think that is? A coincidence?
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Link?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It's not a technicality, it's definition. A lie is told purposefully to deceive someone.

Being wrong is not lying
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My point was that Trump says whatever he thinks, unfiltered by such petty considerations as truth. he believes what he says at the time. he also believes the contradictory view weeks days or even hours later, but to him. it's still true. When do they become lies?
 
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reinoe said:
While I don't care one way or another I would like to point out how the media is portraying this...


When Trump was falsely being accused of engaging in golden showers on an Obama bed, they MSM was always sure to use the word "allege", i.e. "it's alleged that Trump engaged in such and such but we don't know if it's true". The MSM didn't call the stories flat out bald faced lies even though that's what most of the junk in that 35 page dossier was.

When dozens of women came forward claiming that Trump had groped them, the MSM didn't accuse them of being liars even though there was no evidence of their claims. The MSM certainly weren't calling those women who accused Trump of groping them as liars even though there was no proof. Instead they always used the word "alleged". Where are these women now btw? Where's the follow-up story to that?


When Trump says that there were millions of illegal votes, that whole "alleged" goes out the window and are quick to say it's a lie. Do they have any evidence disproving Trump's statements that I may have missed out on? We already know that in Detroit there were fraudulent votes so who's to say that Trump's claims are a lie? At worst they're unproven unless I've missed something. Last time I checked there wasn't a recount in California unless I missed something.

Did I miss something? Has there been a nationwide audit or recount of the votes that disproves Trump's statements?
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Trump’s Bogus Voter Fraud Claims
 
reinoe said:
While I don't care one way or another I would like to point out how the media is portraying this...


When Trump was falsely being accused of engaging in golden showers on an Obama bed, they MSM was always sure to use the word "allege", i.e. "it's alleged that Trump engaged in such and such but we don't know if it's true". The MSM didn't call the stories flat out bald faced lies even though that's what most of the junk in that 35 page dossier was.

When dozens of women came forward claiming that Trump had groped them, the MSM didn't accuse them of being liars even though there was no evidence of their claims. The MSM certainly weren't calling those women who accused Trump of groping them as liars even though there was no proof. Instead they always used the word "alleged". Where are these women now btw? Where's the follow-up story to that?


When Trump says that there were millions of illegal votes, that whole "alleged" goes out the window and are quick to say it's a lie. Do they have any evidence disproving Trump's statements that I may have missed out on? We already know that in Detroit there were fraudulent votes so who's to say that Trump's claims are a lie? At worst they're unproven unless I've missed something. Last time I checked there wasn't a recount in California unless I missed something.

Did I miss something? Has there been a nationwide audit or recount of the votes that disproves Trump's statements?
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his own party is calling bs on his claims
 
reinoe said:
While I don't care one way or another I would like to point out how the media is portraying this...


When Trump was falsely being accused of engaging in golden showers on an Obama bed, they MSM was always sure to use the word "allege", i.e. "it's alleged that Trump engaged in such and such but we don't know if it's true". The MSM didn't call the stories flat out bald faced lies even though that's what most of the junk in that 35 page dossier was.

When dozens of women came forward claiming that Trump had groped them, the MSM didn't accuse them of being liars even though there was no evidence of their claims. The MSM certainly weren't calling those women who accused Trump of groping them as liars even though there was no proof. Instead they always used the word "alleged". Where are these women now btw? Where's the follow-up story to that?


When Trump says that there were millions of illegal votes, that whole "alleged" goes out the window and are quick to say it's a lie. Do they have any evidence disproving Trump's statements that I may have missed out on? We already know that in Detroit there were fraudulent votes so who's to say that Trump's claims are a lie? At worst they're unproven unless I've missed something. Last time I checked there wasn't a recount in California unless I missed something.

Did I miss something? Has there been a nationwide audit or recount of the votes that disproves Trump's statements?
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You don't care is a truthful as Trump claiming millions of fraud cases. He's lied about everything else why would this be different?
 
reinoe said:
If Trump is going to be called a liar then contradictory information needs to be presented otherwise nobody has a right to call him a liar. You can say his statement is "alleged", you can say that his statement is not proven, but you cannot call him a liar. This is where the media has failed spectacularly. They did not call those women who claimed he groped them liars even though their comments were not proven. They did not call our intelligence agencies liars when that 35 page dossier was presented. The bias comes from how Trump is being treated compared to all the other things that are not yet proven.
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So, you want some accounting firm to prove that over 2 million people were not only registered in 2 or more states, but that these same registered voters actually cast their vote in 2 or more states.

Good Luck with that!

This, ladies and gentlemen, is how Trump wins these stupid non-sense arguments. He pulls these crazy rabbits out of his hat (or from under his hair) and to some people it sound so plausible to just might be true. So, all the while Trump's telling his "alternative facts" :liar you blindly believe him insisting that people going :screwy looking for evidence that doesn't exist until they :surrender.

Oh, the foolishness of it all....and you believe him contrary to the truth you already know...it does not happen...at least not in the large numbers Trump claims it does. What makes this situation even more absurd is the fact that of those cases of people who were registered to vote in 2 or more state that have been validated, it's been people who have either voted for him, are within is own inner circle OR his own family who have done it! All, of which, makes him look foolish!
 
Objective Voice said:
So, you want some accounting firm to prove that over 2 million people were not only registered in 2 or more states, but that these same registered voters actually cast their vote in 2 or more states.

Good Luck with that!

This, ladies and gentlemen, is how Trump wins these stupid non-sense arguments. He pulls these crazy rabbits out of his hat (or from under his hair) and to some people it sound so plausible to just might be true. So, all the while Trump's telling his "alternative facts" :liar you blindly believe him insisting that people going :screwy looking for evidence that doesn't exist until they :surrender.

Oh, the foolishness of it all....and you believe him contrary to the truth you already know...it does not happen...at least not in the large numbers Trump claims it does. What makes this situation even more absurd is the fact that of those cases of people who were registered to vote in 2 or more state that have been validated, it's been people who have either voted for him, are within is own inner circle OR his own family who have done it! All, of which, makes him look foolish!
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It should be easy to disprove Trump's claim. Why hasn't this happened?
 
reinoe said:
It should be easy to disprove Trump's claim. Why hasn't this happened?
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Actually, it's not as easy as you think.

The ERIC database may be able to identify duplicate names, addresses, etc., between states but only among those states who participate in the program. All it will show are those individuals who registered to vote in two or more states. It WILL NOT show if two or more people actually voted during the presidential election. That would likely require a different accounting process. So, while it's convenient to take the heat off Trump from proving his claim of widespread voter fraud, the reality is it's really up to the person making such claims to provide the supporting evidence.

Right now, it's easier for individual states to police themselves in this matter. To do so nationally...only when and if all states are willing to share their complete voting records.
 
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