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The Trump "No Answer" on Russian Associations during 01/11/2017 Press Conference

Jack Hays said:
Bingo. Looks to me like he believes it's an illegitimate question based on a discredited smear.

Greetings, AP.:mrgreen:
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Good evening sir. The best thing to do is ignore them when they try to push these stories...
 
Mr Person said:
He really should have said "I don't know, but we'll look into it and I will recommend that whatever actions may be taken against those responsible are taken."

I'm guessing he thinks that attacking "the media" for asking the question will play better than giving a straight-forward answer like that. There's a reason he built up the theme that his supporters should not trust anything the media says that is negative about him, after all....
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IMO, it's all a game of cat and mouse...

By jumping on the "liberal media" bandwagon, Trump can continue claiming media bias. The fact that the media got their predictions wrong on the election outcome was only the first reason given for the public to distrust the media. The next step in discrediting the press is in declaring that they present fake news to the public. So now, even if one fact is wrong, Trump can say the press in always inaccurate. Consider what's happening with BuzzFeed right now. Of all the issues to pick out from that dossier, his camp pings on the passport. Why? Well, it's a typical defense lawyer's tactic: Discredit one piece of evidence and all other claims must also be false.

But this goes beyond false reporting of one or two news agencies. This is really about all forms of the free press. Now, any news agency who says something Donald Trump truly doesn't like won't get a place at the presidential press pool. You already saw how that will work when Trump denied CNN a question during his press conference. Now, everyone will have to question what they report or risk getting on Trump's bad side.

Now, in one respect the press has no one but themselves to blame. For much of the print media world hasn't practiced real journalism in a while. Even the mainstream media have played to political bias on occasion. So, they have their work cut out for them. Still, if we the voting public just turn our backs to this story and treat it as if nothing Trump says or does cannot be called into question, then we risk handing over our democracy to the very thing conservatism warns of against...a tyrant.
 
NonoBadDog said:
The press screamed for months to have a press conference to address how he was going to avoid conflicts of interest. He postponed his press conference and the press got pretty haywire about it. This was the postponed press conference. Have you seen on discussion about the actual subject of the planned and announced subject of the press conference (conflicts of interest)? CNN published a totally idiotic and false article about him and he refused to answer questions for the same blatantly dishonest news organizaiton. Color me surprised. ****em. If I was him I would pull their White House press pass.
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I read the CNN article; it wasn't idiotic nor was it false. They made no claim that anything in the dossier was true. All they did was report that the dossier was being circulated by government officials from both the intelligence agencies and members of congressional subcommittees and spoke on some of the allegations it contained. But at no point did CNN say whether or not the allegations were true. So, it wasn't false reporting or fake news based on what they reported about - another news source reporting on a information that might be controversial if not embarrassing to the president-elect.

What I found interesting in Trump's handling of the media was how he reacted to CNN's reporting of the story. He wasn't upset at them because they made claims that anything in the BuzzFeed article was true. He was mad at CNN because they dare publish the story about "the story" and not discredit the contents of the dossier. Notice how he gave praise to those news agencies who did just that, but denounced the two news entities that did. (Three if you include Mother Jones, but he never mentioned them. Maybe he forgot. :shrug:)
 
Objective Voice said:
IMO, it's all a game of cat and mouse...

By jumping on the "liberal media" bandwagon, Trump can continue claiming media bias. The fact that the media got their predictions wrong on the election outcome was only the first reason given for the public to distrust the media. The next step in discrediting the press is in declaring that they present fake news to the public. So now, even if one fact is wrong, Trump can say the press in always inaccurate. Consider what's happening with BuzzFeed right now. Of all the issues to pick out from that dossier, his camp pings on the passport. Why? Well, it's a typical defense lawyer's tactic: Discredit one piece of evidence and all other claims must also be false.

But this goes beyond false reporting of one or two news agencies. This is really about all forms of the free press. Now, any news agency who says something Donald Trump truly doesn't like won't get a place at the presidential press pool. You already saw how that will work when Trump denied CNN a question during his press conference. Now, everyone will have to question what they report or risk getting on Trump's bad side.

Now, in one respect the press has no one but themselves to blame. For much of the print media world hasn't practiced real journalism in a while. Even the mainstream media have played to political bias on occasion. So, they have their work cut out for them. Still, if we the voting public just turn our backs to this story and treat it as if nothing Trump says or does cannot be called into question, then we risk handing over our democracy to the very thing conservatism warns of against...a tyrant.
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Liked, except for singling out "conservatism" as apparently the only body of thought against "... a tyrant."
 
Fearandloathing said:
That sums it up perfectly, deny, deny, deny; lie, lie, lie.....


He plays to the pent up resentments of media, along with the meme's and fake news. As it is in Machiavelli's "The Prince", as long as he can keep them angry over **** they have no control.....he has their minds and hearts.

It's not rocket science, convince enough people there is a threat to their way of life and they will let anyone do anything, especially in the excited states.

And they been fooling you since the 50's and the ****ing "domino theory"...a 'theory' that claimed the lives of 500 thousand Americans and made the US a laughing stock. Trump will find his 'domino theory' and use it to cancel elections maybe.
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A couple interesting tidbits rolled in after the dust settled from the press conference. 1)He really did set the press against each other. He squished hundreds of people into a tiny room so they were all at each other's throats while they competed for space and outlets. 2)That guy he shouted down, calling him "fake news," was CNN, which you probably already knew. The guy he chose instead to answer? Breitbart.

On a nitpicking note, it was about 50k American soldiers that died in Viet Name, and 500k in the Civil War. Not that 50k is anything to sneeze at.
 
Cardinal said:
A couple interesting tidbits rolled in after the dust settled from the press conference. 1)He really did set the press against each other. He squished hundreds of people into a tiny room so they were all at each other's throats while they competed for space and outlets. 2)That guy he shouted down, calling him "fake news," was CNN, which you probably already knew. The guy he chose instead to answer? Breitbart.

On a nitpicking note, it was about 50k American soldiers that died in Viet Name, and 500k in the Civil War. Not that 50k is anything to sneeze at.
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trump packed his news conference with paid aides ready to jeer reporters.

What we have here is Nixon without the DEM congress that investigated him .
 
NIMBY said:
trump packed his news conference with paid aides ready to jeer reporters.

What we have here is Nixon without the DEM congress that investigated him .
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I did wonder about that. It seemed a bit odd to hear sections of a press conference cheering the President elect for calling the press disgraceful.
 
Cardinal said:
I did wonder about that. It seemed a bit odd to hear sections of a press conference cheering the President elect for calling the press disgraceful.
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GOP Rep. Chaffetz is now threatening to go after the guy investigating trump.

It looks like 1984 got here a little late .
 
NIMBY said:
GOP Rep. Chaffetz is now threatening to go after the guy investigating trump.

It looks like 1984 got here a little late .
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Jesus Christ, I can barely keep up with all of this. Link?
 
Cardinal said:
As legitimate, principled news sources are intent to remind us, the report linking Trump to Russia as well as accusations that Russia has potentially coercive material is "unverified" and even "unverifiable." That said, something about this issue seems different to me. I could of course be wrong, but the manner that our political institutions (including Trump himself) have chosen to respond to the story suggests that there's a "there" there.

I'm not throwing my own hat into this, but I'll certainly be following it with interest.
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I think you have well articulated the crux of the issue. Trump is suppose to be defending us from enemies of the state. He seems to be siding with Russia against two stalwart US institutions: the intelligence community and the press. That is treasonous activity by the US president.

This is an ugly time in American history. Unfortunately the uneducated following of Trump are scarily deficient in their understanding of history and of the world, in general, to understand the ramifications of this.

Our press, more then ever, must be vigilant. Keep digging; keep hammering away and keep calling Trump out on his lies (and don't let him deflect by dropping the current lie for tomorrow's lie, which has worked so well for him). Do your job press and Congress and we will be rid of this aggressive cancer when he is removed from office, which my guess is by 2018.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Clearly, you've forgotten, ignore or are completely unaware of the interview posted to YouTube where his son, Donald, Jr was interviewed about his business interest in Russia or his former political advisor, Paul Manifort, resigning over his business dealings in the Ukraine. So, yes, if he has answered "NO", I would have said he was lying. It's the fact that he said nothing that gave me pause.
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President Trump could say water is wet and you would call him a racist. So, what difference does it make?
 
apdst said:
President Trump could say water is wet and you would call him a racist. So, what difference does it make?
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Key Senate committee won't probe possible trump-russian collusion.

Nixon didn't get away with not being investigated by a DEM congress .
 
Objective Voice said:
Again, it's not just about him. It's everyone else who makes up his inner circle - his wife (his place of birth notwithstanding), his adult children -- Donald, Jr., Eric, Ivanka -- and members of his campaign staff both former and current.

Everyone who answers speaking strictly to Donald J. Trump himself complete misunderstand the question that was posed.
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I feel like that has been covered before as well, but I'm not as sure on that. It has come up and answered so many times I don't recall something as specific as all that.
 
Objective Voice said:
I read the CNN article; it wasn't idiotic nor was it false. They made no claim that anything in the dossier was true. All they did was report that the dossier was being circulated by government officials from both the intelligence agencies and members of congressional subcommittees and spoke on some of the allegations it contained. But at no point did CNN say whether or not the allegations were true. So, it wasn't false reporting or fake news based on what they reported about - another news source reporting on a information that might be controversial if not embarrassing to the president-elect.

What I found interesting in Trump's handling of the media was how he reacted to CNN's reporting of the story. He wasn't upset at them because they made claims that anything in the BuzzFeed article was true. He was mad at CNN because they dare publish the story about "the story" and not discredit the contents of the dossier. Notice how he gave praise to those news agencies who did just that, but denounced the two news entities that did. (Three if you include Mother Jones, but he never mentioned them. Maybe he forgot. :shrug:)
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There is an ethical standard for journalists. Well, there was. I am sure you aren't familiar with those ethics. I will list a sample of them. I support Trumps right to defend himself. I also support his right to castigate a news agency that causes him unfair harm. Journalists are supposed to report the news, not be the news. CNN just couldn't resist the temptation to publish crap that would compare to the crap that Inforwars publishes "cuz Trump". If CNN published the whole report it would have been glaringly apparent that the whole report was trash. They picked out the portions they think they could sell in a news article and only published that part. It backfired and now they are pissed at Buzzfeed. They are both void of any journalistic ethics and deserve the castigation they are getting from not only Trump but the public and other members of the press.

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity.

The Society declares these four principles as the foundation of ethical journalism and encourages their use in its practice by all people in all media.

1. Seek Truth and Report It
Ethical journalism should be accurate and fair. Journalists should be honest and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

2. Minimize Harm
Ethical journalism treats sources, subjects, colleagues and members of the public as human beings deserving of respect.

3. Act Independently
The highest and primary obligation of ethical journalism is to serve the public.

4. Be Accountable and Transparent
Ethical journalism means taking responsibility for one’s work and explaining one’s decisions to the public.

https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
 
Objective Voice said:
Maybe, the question was asked at least 3 times before he left the stage and once again before he left the press conference completely.

He didn't forget. He choose not to answer the question - period.
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I meant while he was ranting he forgot what they were talking about. I dont think he completely forgot. I am sure he purposely and accidentally forgot. As a debater he sucks balls. Even if he starts with a plan he obviously is easily derailed.

I really do find it remarkable that for a businessman that is suppose to have a reputation as a deal maker, that his debating skills are crude to nonexistent. He just seems to be way out of his element. The career politicians that he is up against are going to eat him alive. If he is innocent in regards to Russia he made some huge mistakes by making himself look guilty. Right now just by listening to Trump one can assert a certain amount of circumstantial evidence. Enough to make the public question the legitimacy of the soon to be president. I cant say one way or the other if Trump is guilty. As far as I know this was Putins endgame strategy in messing with the election. I mean it is possible that Putin wanted trump to win since it would be easier to frame him. Perhaps to cause a bigger riff between the left and the right? Or not who knows? The problem is that Trump isnt helping himself at all just making it worse. He did the same thing in this press conference as his last presidential debate: he came out all pissed off like he has a axe to grind, like a complete asshole. Which doesnt help him with the publics image of him either.
 
NIMBY said:
Key Senate committee won't probe possible trump-russian collusion.

Nixon didn't get away with not being investigated by a DEM congress .
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Well, there's that whole probable cause thing and the golden shower fake news story and the Jeffrey Cohen goes to Prague fake news story aren't going to create any credibility to support such an investigation.
 
apdst said:
Well, there's that whole probable cause thing and the golden shower fake news story and the Jeffrey Cohen goes to Prague fake news story aren't going to create any credibility to support such an investigation.
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How do you know the story is fake?
 
Jack Hays said:
Thanks. Goering wanted to make himself seem not a criminal. I personally do not believe the equivalence he claims is real.
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Nonetheless, it is a chilling caution against letting fear lead us to conflict.
 
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